MAFIA 92 - The return of the Witchfinder General [GAME THREAD]

[miminena]

no no tie

##vote red neurax

Are you sure you hadn't played before?

Just a couple pages earlier you were asking what happens in tie, why do you have a strong opinion?

I've read a game or two before, so I understand that not going through with a day kill is bad, but I wasn't sure how ties were dealt with.

so I think there is probably at least one mafia member who ended on red, but I doubt it was all 3. Bunny, who I think is the only person that ended off of red or worcej, didn't have much interaction with red, and didn't seem to like dw's vote in that regard (599). Bunny, if that's not what you meant, please let me know.

Will was pretty adamant on defending red near the end, and honestly I don't think a mafia would be that dead set on a wagon that's very close to running away. Probably my biggest town read at the moment, but I have only analyzed 2 people so far.

more to come

Just also ended on D&W. I did not like that post of D&W's; it wasn't just the vote it was how he framed it.

It's interesting you analyzed Just but didn't notice him ending on D&W despite you being the person who knew how to work the bot. How did you do that?

I don't get what you're asking, the point of that post was to analyze the two people who were off-wagon at EoD. Also, I double checked the thread, and Will actually ended on worcej

[miminena]

so sorry about that red, you will be missed.

this end of day makes me feel a lot better about will. a cursory read of the votes puts foodcoats and spirit at immediate suspicion for me, the red wagon wasn't that prominent before they voted on it. i'll try to do a closer read in the next few minutes

Does your opinion change depending on D&W and ND's alignments?

not much, my read on Will here was mostly a gut read, and I haven't spent much time thinking about it.

[kingofthepirates]

Gonna look at everyone’s vote posts later today, see if any scummy/bad reasons (or patterns) can be found. Too rushed rn cus of the ACT :< cya in idk 4-5 hours…

[foodcoats]

I still feel that pirates is very town

Im at like
Pirates
Will
Mimi
ND

For town

And just gonna restart my whole mafia reads list as this day goes on.

I think this is a pretty accurate set of towney types. The one I feel less sure about is KotP - I think D1 I was feeling them acting a lot but in a waffley manner that didn’t push the game forward. What makes you townread KotP, brain?

[foodcoats]

##Vote DiplomacyandWarfare

Let's see how the movement goes on a three way. Also I had a real solid nap.

you stand accused of deliberately not posting until your buddy red neurax was in danger of dying

this aged....

Huh, neat catch. Could mean Dip is town. I think Dip is clever enough scum to say it as scum, though.

[foodcoats]

This post deserves note

are you in agreement there? I don't think it's a good idea to judge one as scum based on another's habits... But it is an interesting observation on mimi's post, and one that i didn't notice previously. probably to kept for future consideration.

King, I know you are probably doing it to save space, but you should not clip quotes. The whole thread in the quote provides good context for readers.

[foodcoats]

RIP damo. Gj on being the kill as a VT though.

##vote food

third voter rule.

I’m doing my part ridding the game of lurkers! Starshiptrooper.gif

Red barely met posting requirements. Sadly, he would have been a liability later. I stand by my strategy.

[foodcoats]

I missed EOD but on re-read I find worcej’s behaviour around his wagon, and his reaction to the flip… weird?

I do however agree on this. At least I think I do? Like why are we discussing the intrinsic value of a PR after it just got miskilled and writing it off as okay because the powers were meh?

I think I mostly found it weird how he began the day way more analytical and “town leader” than he does as town - in fact, he acts that way as scum, as he did in your Baldur’s Gate game. But then he flipped to an extremely manic and self-(town)-hate attitude. His “You should’ve killed my VT ass” statement sounded like celebrating scum.

[foodcoats]

also i was roleblocked

oh ho! pinky promise for you as well?

also a great gimmick, I was tempted to do classic cartoon characters (tom&jerry mainly) but didn't figure out a good way... pfp might be an option! but idk if my phone can store like 50 tom and jerry memes and reaction images to use lol

this boy forum mafias on his phone, does bits, but is unwilling to store cartoon avatars in the cloud? It feels like you're not descending into madness in the proper order, and since this is the internet, I am required to provide you with my opinion.

anyway ##vote kingofthepirates
purely as a bot test and to established my unhinged nature in case i need to get out of any mistakes i make down the line, good day

Spirit, what did you mean when you said voting for KotP would help you get out of mistakes later? I understand you were joking, but I don’t quite understand the joke, and I think it would help me understand you if I understood this post better.

[foodcoats]

My role is Vanilla Town

I don't believe this, only because it's BB lol

Worcej, why do you not believe a VT claim from brain?

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

hello
late EoN posts incoming

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

Why, exactly was ND a wagon yesterday?
post group 1: "everyone here is horrible at this game and I expect d1 to go horrible. There are no "new" players or "good" players, you're all horrible"
Post group 2: "ghug is stupid and this setup is stupid"
Post group 3: "Please stay on topic. I have a master plan that I'm not telling you. I also refuse to claim town."
Post group 4: "d1 is going horrible as usual. I'm self voting. d1 is terrible"
Post group 5: "go go go get on the red wagon everyone"
Post group all: "#make web dip mafia great again"

ok well that sort of makes sense
I didn't notice anything in particular off about ND but there's almost no reads and basically nothing else besides a gimmick going on here. Low-quality posts all around. Let's see what the reasons behind the votes were, in chronological order:
ghug: "ND said I'm stupid so I'm voting ND"
Red: "The only thing ND has really said is that d1 is going to go terrible"
ND: "I'm self voting because d1 is terrible. #make web dip mafia great again"
Brain: "ND is doing nothing and self voting." (end-vote)
Vecna: "voting ND preserves sanity and also harms 3p" (???)
Me: "This is going horrible and it looks like I'm going to be one of the top wagons. Time to stir the pot"

so...
ND has been incredibly passive and refuses to do anything other than complain

Scumread on that

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

Next wagon I don't quite understand: Spirit
Post group 1: "I am joke posting but Demon made the roleblock post before I could so"
wait
wtf

Why do you have a townread on miminena?

I believe their early posting was slightly towny because they seemed to want to help town and had an eagerness to play which i see in newere players

will and dip facing off early, knowing the best money is on one of you two getting day oned. prolly both nervous town, but I'd be betting on you if I were the guy

So this is kind of long-winded
but
The 3p is either a witch or a warlock. I think spirit might be the witch referring to the warlock ("the guy" seems like a way of referring to the masculine-associated 3p, especially from the perspective of someone who is the witch). Also seems to be subtly profiling players for potentially prs (the comment about "nervous town" seems like it would be how a vt read would be presented), which also fits with the witch, whose main goal is to find prs!
TLDR: I think spirit is the Witch 3p

post group 2: "everyone thinks I'm a warlock" (???) "and here's some low-quality posts"
post group 3: "shit post, shitpost, shit post. Also brain is correct about saying that this is how I normally post"
Post group 4: "here's a read list" (!!!) "and I'm going to be annoying about the lie detector statement thing"
Post group 5: "here's a theory about voting, and I scumread food" (votes food)
Post group 6: "I always forgot that I'm mafia" (???) "but I'm town. the ND wagon is shitty and here are some posts of similar quality"
Post group 7: "Hi I'm back and I'm voting red because I don't scumread dip or ND, but I am also not joining the worcej wagon"

votes:
ghug: "using '/s' is scummy"
miminena: "I want a town claim from spirit"
food: "I am mad that spirit is scumreading non-posters"
brain: [no reason given]

conclusion: The spirit wagon was shitty and spirit is probably town, although the 3p theory does hold merit, between the stubbornness about claiming town and the potential witch slip
light townread on that

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

next player I'm looking at: demon, the second lowest poster after red neurax
post group 1: "my gimmick is being nice, I claim town, joke posts"
Post group 2: (votes brain) "brain is scummy, shitpost, why is the thread dead"
post group 3: (unvotes) "shitpost, voting vecna seems 'spicy', voting dip for 'movement'"
Post group 4: "I promise that was a crosspost even though I posted over a minute after ND"
post group 5: "guys, I think it's likely dip will vote in self defense if necessary. Worcej suggested we should wagon them, let's do it!"
At no point yesterday did anyone vote demon

...
so that's a lot of shitposts and not a lot of explained reads. I'm inclined to treat this as a rather extreme lurker between the low post count and the low post quality

conclusion: likely scum

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

oh ho! pinky promise for you as well?

also a great gimmick, I was tempted to do classic cartoon characters (tom&jerry mainly) but didn't figure out a good way... pfp might be an option! but idk if my phone can store like 50 tom and jerry memes and reaction images to use lol

this boy forum mafias on his phone, does bits, but is unwilling to store cartoon avatars in the cloud? It feels like you're not descending into madness in the proper order, and since this is the internet, I am required to provide you with my opinion.

anyway ##vote kingofthepirates
purely as a bot test and to established my unhinged nature in case i need to get out of any mistakes i make down the line, good day

Spirit, what did you mean when you said voting for KotP would help you get out of mistakes later? I understand you were joking, but I don’t quite understand the joke, and I think it would help me understand you if I understood this post better.

orrrrrrrrrrrrrr spirit is establishing 'bot test posts' because the warlock has to vote their target that day, so "establishing an unhinged nature" helps spirit obfuscate being the warlock because it gives an excuse for random shitty votes

[miminena]

Next wagon I don't quite understand: Spirit
Post group 1: "I am joke posting but Demon made the roleblock post before I could so"
wait
wtf

I believe their early posting was slightly towny because they seemed to want to help town and had an eagerness to play which i see in newere players

will and dip facing off early, knowing the best money is on one of you two getting day oned. prolly both nervous town, but I'd be betting on you if I were the guy

So this is kind of long-winded
but
The 3p is either a witch or a warlock. I think spirit might be the witch referring to the warlock ("the guy" seems like a way of referring to the masculine-associated 3p, especially from the perspective of someone who is the witch). Also seems to be subtly profiling players for potentially prs (the comment about "nervous town" seems like it would be how a vt read would be presented), which also fits with the witch, whose main goal is to find prs!
TLDR: I think spirit is the Witch 3p

post group 2: "everyone thinks I'm a warlock" (???) "and here's some low-quality posts"
post group 3: "shit post, shitpost, shit post. Also brain is correct about saying that this is how I normally post"
Post group 4: "here's a read list" (!!!) "and I'm going to be annoying about the lie detector statement thing"
Post group 5: "here's a theory about voting, and I scumread food" (votes food)
Post group 6: "I always forgot that I'm mafia" (???) "but I'm town. the ND wagon is shitty and here are some posts of similar quality"
Post group 7: "Hi I'm back and I'm voting red because I don't scumread dip or ND, but I am also not joining the worcej wagon"

votes:
ghug: "using '/s' is scummy"
miminena: "I want a town claim from spirit"
food: "I am mad that spirit is scumreading non-posters"
brain: [no reason given]

conclusion: The spirit wagon was shitty and spirit is probably town, although the 3p theory does hold merit, between the stubbornness about claiming town and the potential witch slip
light townread on that

bb cited spirit being forgettable as the reason for their vote (see #298 and #303)

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

MECH NOTE
for people who did not read the setup:
one of the potential 3ps, the WARLOCK, which may or may not exist:
would have chosen a target last night
must vote that target at some point today, but may (and probably will) move off them at some point
has a win condition of getting three such targets eliminated

[foodcoats]

I don't like worcej's plan (regardless of whether I'm on his list) and I think his picks are odd given his motivation (I think damo is actually more motivated to build consensus than most and Vecna's consistently low activity makes him less of that game-driving "good player" than me used to be). I think it's coming from a good place, though, and I think the questionableness of the logic is generally a sign that worcej is letting us see his real thought process.

I quoted this D1 but on re-read it sticks out to me so much I have to quote it again. It does not resemble a ghug post to me at all, and it feels almost “too kind” in how it handles disagreement with worcej.

I don’t think this could be town!ghug reacting to worcej. It feels like it must be scum!ghug either buddying or… doing something?… With a partner.

##VOTE ghug

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

oh shit red is here
##vote red neurax

this is a very weird post

let me explain:
At this point the votes were

[foodcoats]

-----------------------------Most town vibes
DiplomacyandWarfare
JustAGuyNamedWill
kingofthepirates
N.D.
Brainbomb
BunnyGo
damo666
miminena
Ghug
DemonRHK
-------------------------------least town vibes

non-posters:
Red Neurax
Foodcoats
bozo
Vecna

Spirit, when you posted this, both Red and I HAD posted.

Can you explain how you ended up posting this? What was the process and the thinking? To me it’s difficult to believe this town/scum ranking is authentic because you clearly had not been paying attention to the game.