Mafia XL - A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum

[bo_sox48]

Damo - give it to someone other than our town-clears, but someone who you also think is town.

Are we ready to rule out damo passing the box to a scum teammate?

Also, should I declare who I pass box to?

Yeah, please do, but if you choose to put your own life on the line instead of risking a clear, that would be fine too.

[damo666]

I definitely won't be sending to a towncleatr.

If Balki listed and I list there is 1/6 chance I die. If list successful next recipient has 1/3 chance killed. If list unsuccessful and I draw item next recipient 50/50.

If Balki took and I list I'm guaranteed survival and next recipient 1/6 chance of dying.

If I pass to town possibility of PR death. If I pass to scum they get a no lynch ticket.

I think I'll pass to marginal and declare so as not to waste lynch votes.

[bozotheclown]

I have a 5/6 chance of survival (NK notwithstanding) so doc (and I think I have you sussed Mr Crumble) save DrCJG. But wait scum will know that so they will target Squigs so save him. But no wait scum know that etc etc.

Screw you scum. That's that little strategy fucked. It's all about guessing.

Since DemonRHK did not get the opportunity to use the box, you have 100% of surviving the box if you list, 2/3 chance of surviving if you take. I think you should list if you are town, and I am certain you will list if you are scum. If you decide to gamble and take an item, if there is another item, whoever you pass the box to has a 100% chance of surviving if they list.

[ghug]

I am glad it worked out, but I think the observer counterclaiming DemonRHK right away would have been the better way to go. I have the feeling that the scum team has a better idea what is going on with the PRs than most of the town.

If DrCJG and Squigs are going to keep the specifics of their claims hidden, I do not think it is worth discussing their claims tonight.

If the box ended up with a town player, I think they should perform a list so they do not risk exploding. I am sure that is what the scum will do if they have the box, there is no reason to increase the chances that the box kills a town player. They should also let us know they have the box and where it will be sent, so we can try to keep track of the box.

Strongly disagree. We're on track for MYLO. Your death doesn't cost us a mislynch, it just reduces the pool of potential mislynches.

I believe if the box kills a scum instead of a town, it would buy us another mislynch, so anything that decreases the chance of a town getting killed by the box is a good idea.

It's not a good decision for damo, it's a good decision for the town: kill an unclear, who could well be scum, and protect our clears. That's why I was kinda hoping one of our clears would order him to do it.

[bozotheclown]

I definitely won't be sending to a towncleatr.

If Balki listed and I list there is 1/6 chance I die. If list successful next recipient has 1/3 chance killed. If list unsuccessful and I draw item next recipient 50/50.

If Balki took and I list I'm guaranteed survival and next recipient 1/6 chance of dying.

If I pass to town possibility of PR death. If I pass to scum they get a no lynch ticket.

I think I'll pass to marginal and declare so as not to waste lynch votes.

Your first statement is incorrect, if Balki listed then there is at least one item left in the box, so it would not explode whether you list or take.

[DrCJG]

Strongly disagree. We're on track for MYLO. Your death doesn't cost us a mislynch, it just reduces the pool of potential mislynches.

I believe if the box kills a scum instead of a town, it would buy us another mislynch, so anything that decreases the chance of a town getting killed by the box is a good idea.

It's not a good decision for damo, it's a good decision for the town: kill an unclear, who could well be scum, and protect our clears. That's why I was kinda hoping one of our clears would order him to do it.

I want Damo to be able to make a decision without Scum knowing what it will be. As I suggested before... he should either take and pass to a town as it will be safe for the town to list or he should list and pass to a scum. Both are acceptable enough that I'd rather scum not know his intent.

Also, @ Damo - Bozo is correct about the box mechanic... I am not sure why you think you might die from listing.

[ghug]

I think damo's town, so I'm not gonna pick this hill to die on, but giving him choices makes it easier to escape with a favorable outcome if he's scum.

[damo666]

I believe if the box kills a scum instead of a town, it would buy us another mislynch, so anything that decreases the chance of a town getting killed by the box is a good idea.

It's not a good decision for damo, it's a good decision for the town: kill an unclear, who could well be scum, and protect our clears. That's why I was kinda hoping one of our clears would order him to do it.

I want Damo to be able to make a decision without Scum knowing what it will be. As I suggested before... he should either take and pass to a town as it will be safe for the town to list or he should list and pass to a scum. Both are acceptable enough that I'd rather scum not know his intent.

Also, @ Damo - Bozo is correct about the box mechanic... I am not sure why you think you might die from listing.

Yep. I list I survive.

If I pass to a non townclear and am NK d and don't declare a scum lynch will survive. So shouldn't I declare?

[worcej]

Not true at all - you have to list or take, so you'd be rolling the dice on a town clear.

Damo - give it to someone other than our town-clears, but someone who you also think is town.

I said "if you list", or did you not read that part? Isn't it better to keep a guaranteed town clear alive vs passing to someone who is not so clear?

The box recipient could still die the next night if he lists.

As ghug said, giving the box to Squigs or DrCJG would increase the likelihood that they would die to the chance of it blowing up goes up. It would be best to hand it to a non-clear town lean, someone you town-lean to ensure the clears stay alive as long as possible to make it easier to lynch scum.

[flash2015]

Not true at all - you have to list or take, so you'd be rolling the dice on a town clear.

Damo - give it to someone other than our town-clears, but someone who you also think is town.

I said "if you list", or did you not read that part? Isn't it better to keep a guaranteed town clear alive vs passing to someone who is not so clear?

The box recipient could still die the next night if he lists.

I am confused. I thought if we keep listing from now on the box will not explode?

[ghug]

I said "if you list", or did you not read that part? Isn't it better to keep a guaranteed town clear alive vs passing to someone who is not so clear?

The box recipient could still die the next night if he lists.

I am confused. I thought if we keep listing from now on the box will not explode?

If you try to list and there are no more lists, you take an item.

[ghug]

It's not a good decision for damo, it's a good decision for the town: kill an unclear, who could well be scum, and protect our clears. That's why I was kinda hoping one of our clears would order him to do it.

I want Damo to be able to make a decision without Scum knowing what it will be. As I suggested before... he should either take and pass to a town as it will be safe for the town to list or he should list and pass to a scum. Both are acceptable enough that I'd rather scum not know his intent.

Also, @ Damo - Bozo is correct about the box mechanic... I am not sure why you think you might die from listing.

Yep. I list I survive.

If I pass to a non townclear and am NK d and don't declare a scum lynch will survive. So shouldn't I declare?

What does this mean?

[Squigs44]

Not sure if I'll be on again before EoN.

Damo, do what you feel is best with the box. At this point, the box has become a numbers game. Just whatever you do, if you list, don't pass it to a townclear and if you take, don't send it to someone scummy.

[DrCJG]

Not sure if I'll be on again before EoN.

Damo, do what you feel is best with the box. At this point, the box has become a numbers game. Just whatever you do, if you list, don't pass it to a townclear and if you take, don't send it to someone scummy.

+1

[Squigs44]

bozotheclown - no idea
bo_sox48 - scum lean
damo666 - town
DrCJG - town
Durga - town
ghug - scum lean
flash2015 - scum lean
ND - scum lean
rdrivera2005 - no idea
Squigs44 - prob dead
worcej - town

I think scumteam is one of ghug/flash
Then one of ND/Bo
Then one of Bozo/Rdrivera

Maybe both of ND/Bo and not Bozo/Rdrivera.

But what do I know?

[ND]

Could be as easy as Bo and worcej their fight seemed pretty fake. People getting angry and profane like that can be an act. I've never seen worcej talk like that.

But, definitely someone in Durga, Bo, Ghug is scum. Maybe x2. Ghug never makes it late game unless scum but that's not reason enough to vote for him. Durga to my knowledge has never been scum? Her meta as scum could bring anything. Who knows. Bo, eh, maybe the most likely out of the three with a big question mark by Ghug and Durga.

Flash is scum and yes he can still be scum. His late wagon votes were opportunistic.
Null on rd
Damo, bozo, town lean
Squigs, Dr are town

That's best I can do on my phone at work. I am leaving to go vote a straight ticket (r) ticket in a competitive house district. Won't be on tonight. Got to watch the results. Peace all.

[worcej]

Could be as easy as Bo and worcej their fight seemed pretty fake. People getting angry and profane like that can be an act. I've never seen worcej talk like that.

But, definitely someone in Durga, Bo, Ghug is scum. Maybe x2. Ghug never makes it late game unless scum but that's not reason enough to vote for him. Durga to my knowledge has never been scum? Her meta as scum could bring anything. Who knows. Bo, eh, maybe the most likely out of the three with a big question mark by Ghug and Durga.

Flash is scum and yes he can still be scum. His late wagon votes were opportunistic.
Null on rd
Damo, bozo, town lean
Squigs, Dr are town

That's best I can do on my phone at work. I am leaving to go vote a straight ticket (r) ticket in a competitive house district. Won't be on tonight. Got to watch the results. Peace all.

I can get fairly heated in webDiplo games and IRL. I have spat with Chippe and VillageIdiot in a few games and I can fly off the handle.

Not that that changes anything - bo was being a dick about people believing DrCJG and also sheeping Squigs.

[damo666]

I want Damo to be able to make a decision without Scum knowing what it will be. As I suggested before... he should either take and pass to a town as it will be safe for the town to list or he should list and pass to a scum. Both are acceptable enough that I'd rather scum not know his intent.

Also, @ Damo - Bozo is correct about the box mechanic... I am not sure why you think you might die from listing.

Yep. I list I survive.

If I pass to a non townclear and am NK d and don't declare a scum lynch will survive. So shouldn't I declare?

What does this mean?

Sorry. It was nonsense. I misremembered box effects. I will not be declaring recipient.

[worcej]

Wow, no last minute posts?

[Squigs44]

Wow, no last minute posts?

It's not the last minute yet.