MAFIA 92 - The return of the Witchfinder General [GAME THREAD]

[ghug]

##CALL GM

If I make a post saying

“I am Will. A PR is something that helps town”

Can the lie detector only scan the words

“I

Am

A

[word after A]”

No of course not.

A Lie detector has to select a statement.

In that post you did not assert that you were a PR.

A Lie detector could detect whether you were telling the truth about being called Will.

A Lie detector could possibly detect whether you were telling the truth about PRs helping town but that would most likely lead to an inconclusive or misleading result because there are non-town PRs also.

A lie detector cannot take a jumble of assorted non-consecutive words from your post, skip out other words, form a selective sentence that you did not actually say, and use their power on the result. Don't be silly.

He could have let it be a jumble of consecutive words and asked the same question, though. "I am will, a PR is a power role" -> "I am will, a PR". I assume the answer is the same?

[ghug]

Im excited to play as Harriet Tubman of the Khmer. That makes alot of sense I guess

Yes because the game is otherwise perfectly historically accurate.

ghug already feels ultra scummy so he's probably gonna carry me again

You think I'm scummy for talking about Civ?

[ghug]

This does feel like giving yourself an excuse to not catch any scum this game.

That is not what I said

Worcej wants to kill ghug/vecna/damo *purely* on how they act in general

I will find someone based on doing something out of character, and in general scummy

Such as Ghug throwing shade this game rather than making actual reads

When have you ever seen Ghug make a read or reason something? That's like waiting for a cow to fly over the moon?

#Make Web Dip Mafia Great Again

##VOTE ND

I don't want to play with you.

[ND]

Original post:
ngl, looking at past games idt ND was anywhere near as cynical as this game.
perhaps gimmick, perhaps mixing up play style, but regardless, not a fan, vibes are all off (slight scum tilt? I still like the game relevant posts, but gut is calling smth is a bit off) :<

Response to new post I saw before posting:

Nd if you’re mafia you have the opportunity to do the funniest thing ever

Also ND is towny off vibes

it'd be hilarious.

anything other than vibes to call ND town?

No

But to elaborate, he has had some classic ‘nd’isms such as ‘theres no new players’ and stuff like that which I dont really see wolf!ND making

I would hardly call you an authority figure on my mannerisms. You've played one game with me.

#make web dip mafia great again

[ghug]

I don't like worcej's plan (regardless of whether I'm on his list) and I think his picks are odd given his motivation (I think damo is actually more motivated to build consensus than most and Vecna's consistently low activity makes him less of that game-driving "good player" than me used to be). I think it's coming from a good place, though, and I think the questionableness of the logic is generally a sign that worcej is letting us see his real thought process.

this narrative of me being low activity is just weird. I just play a lot less games, but the games I play im usually in the top 5 posters

I feel like you're more prone to disappear for really long periods of time than you used to be.

I still respect your ability to read people, to be clear, I just think you've lost a bit of your sheen in the public eye.

[ghug]

"Worcej is town because he has an opinion. Also worcej's opinions are always bad." might be more accurate.

I mean, your bias on this opinion is rather obvious

wtf is this interaction

[ghug]

I just fundamentally disagree with killing someone based on them following their playstyle *as town*

I feel like if we known GHug/Vecna/Damo as town go against consensus, then it would backwardly be better to keep them alive, as we know their playstyle well as town

Im having fun, I enjoy mafia

The problem is their playstyle is NAI and they do the same as mafia - thus I disagree with your reasoning for being different.

Ah i see

I do think Ghug is mafia here, can we agree to disagree on the reason and just head that way?

Are you really that confident already?

[ND]

Wait what makes civ relevant to this game? Discussing a bland game really doesn't have much relevancy to the discussion. In fact I would /assert it is just eating page space.

#make web dip mafia great again

[ghug]

Ghug, whats your read on Spirit atm?

Not much there currently. I'd like him to post the statement.

[damo666]

I didnt take it that way, keep in mind he said this when we were both voting him. So its what he would say as either align

I mean, what way did you take it as then?

Its pretty on brand for damo to be dismissive of my thought process. So I took it as him playing off my vote as more of just brain being brain. Only scummy thing about it is that it pertained only to himself and he wasnt offering a chastise of anyone else being voted. Id be curious who he townreads.

Vecna

[damo666]

Don't be gung ho, casual or jokey with votes. It makes it too easy for a Warlock.

didnt EMC used to say that anti-fun damo was a scum damo?

I think it was.

[damo666]

So, we know worcej and brain are misguided town.

How do we know that from brain?

WE don't.

I know that both are either scum or misguided town.

[damo666]

I suppose that I will accept the answer to my single query. I suppose that I will add some spaces next time around. I suppose that I will at some point give a few 'thoughts' or ahem 'vibes' although I suppose I already have to a limited extent.

Are you going to make a verifiable alignment statement? If not, why not?

Following the lead of his idol.

rofl

[kingofthepirates]

WE don't.

I know that both are either scum or misguided town.

do you have any inclination one way or the other? if yes, why? if not, any ideas on how to figure out some more?

[kingofthepirates]

if not, any ideas on how to figure out some more?

by which I mean, anything to watch out for in particular from either?

[damo666]

Factually false. Fake news.

Where is it false?

Receipts:

I am Vanilla Town - do you believe me?

I am Vanilla Town - do you believe me?

To avoid someone being all ~weird~ about my statement being difficult for a lie detector.

I am Vanilla Town.

I wonder if you believe me?

The key word is 'useful'. Your repeated statement is weak and not useful (to town).

[ghug]

So, we know worcej and brain are misguided town.

How do we know that from brain?

WE don't.

I know that both are either scum or misguided town.

Why'd you say the other thing, then?

[brainbomb]

ND is there anything you would like to talk about?

[damo666]

WE don't.

I know that both are either scum or misguided town.

do you have any inclination one way or the other? if yes, why? if not, any ideas on how to figure out some more?

Well, it's a bit too obvious as scum and naive as town so either could be either I guess.

[BunnyGo]

”fun” is a shit metric to try to prioritize because what is fun for you may not be fun for others. For the sake of this, please define what “fun” is for you.

In all seriousness though- When you signed up for this game, you’re signing a “contract” to play to your win condition. So I explicitly expect you to do that and not prioritize “fun”.

Look Worcej I think theres a disconnect

I do not play against my win condition

I am not accusing you of this, just notably telling you my expectation as another player is that you do this and have fun while doing it.

But I disagree that the thing that needs to change is killing people who disagree with consensus

I’m a little confused as to what you are saying

You think it is impossible to have fun primarily, while also trying to win?

You're clearly missing my point - I don't find disagreeing with consensus to be an issue, what I find to be the problem is that they will actively fight consensus in later stages of the game (again, my opinion here).

I do not think it's impossible to have fun primarily while trying to win, but again fun is very subjective.

Like right now, I'm having a fucking ball. Here's why:

1. It's entertaining as hell to argue killing ghug, damo, and Vecna on D1 over our normal shitshow of last second votes.
2. I find it incredibly fun to watch you actively fight against my proposal while not bringing anything relevant to the table on how to be better as town.
3. I find it fun to watch Vecna completely avoid commentary on my posts/opinion.
4. It's fun to watch BB try to be different but fall into similar tendencies (note: they aren't bad tendencies).
5. I am intrigued by what Bunny is planning right now, because we all know he has some sort of gimmick going on.

This is fun as hell for me. How about you Will? You having as much fun as me?

Oooh!

What’s the gimmick?!?

Can you tell me? I’ll do it! I’ll even commit hard!

Because otherwise I got nothing…