MAFIA 92 - The return of the Witchfinder General [GAME THREAD]

[ND]

Nah

Why? I don't care.

#Make web DIp Mafia Great Again

[Vecna]

I don't like worcej's plan (regardless of whether I'm on his list) and I think his picks are odd given his motivation (I think damo is actually more motivated to build consensus than most and Vecna's consistently low activity makes him less of that game-driving "good player" than me used to be). I think it's coming from a good place, though, and I think the questionableness of the logic is generally a sign that worcej is letting us see his real thought process.

this narrative of me being low activity is just weird. I just play a lot less games, but the games I play im usually in the top 5 posters

[Vecna]

I don't like worcej's plan (regardless of whether I'm on his list) and I think his picks are odd given his motivation (I think damo is actually more motivated to build consensus than most and Vecna's consistently low activity makes him less of that game-driving "good player" than me used to be). I think it's coming from a good place, though, and I think the questionableness of the logic is generally a sign that worcej is letting us see his real thought process.

TL;DR - "worcej is town because his opinion is bad."

happy worcej because his strategy is working?

in my experience scum Worcej is a lot more involved day1 to get people to townread him. He usually puts in a lot of effort in sounding towny.

Im not sure if thats what were seeing here, but Ghugs assuredness that that is what this is does not ring accurate.

But I guess im just not building a concensus with hivemind ghug

[Vecna]

TL;DR - "worcej is town because his opinion is bad."

"Worcej is town because he has an opinion. Also worcej's opinions are always bad." might be more accurate.

I mean, your bias on this opinion is rather obvious

wtf is this interaction

[worcej]

I find "kill the scummy player" results in making very uninformed votes on D1 and just leads to a random kill within 5 minutes of phase change.

just get better at it and realize that people trying hard to act towny and being fake as fuck is what you should focus on instead.

I dont get why youre making this case though.

You never get involved day1.

This great concern for the common good feels like we should sniff you a bit more

Any D1 vote for someone that is "trying hard to be towny" is far better justified than "they are scummy" and I 100% support those votes.

You don't get why I am making my case that vote movement in the last 5 minutes is horseshit? Because unless we actually hit scum on D1, it's just data, but without good motivation or information to justify the behavior. You can honestly look at the vote movement and construe either a scum or town perspective for the change.

Feel free to get a good whiff of me, however you want. I think pushing for consensus and utilizing discussion is far more telling on re-reads than "he voted this person over X with 2 minutes left of the phase?!?!?! MAYBE HE'S SCUM!!!"

[brainbomb]

##Vote brain

This is a completely justified vote that I am confident will come with a measured, balanced response that will nurture discussion.

Dawwwww

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

”fun” is a shit metric to try to prioritize because what is fun for you may not be fun for others. For the sake of this, please define what “fun” is for you.

In all seriousness though- When you signed up for this game, you’re signing a “contract” to play to your win condition. So I explicitly expect you to do that and not prioritize “fun”.

Look Worcej I think theres a disconnect

I do not play against my win condition

I am not accusing you of this, just notably telling you my expectation as another player is that you do this and have fun while doing it.

But I disagree that the thing that needs to change is killing people who disagree with consensus

I’m a little confused as to what you are saying

You think it is impossible to have fun primarily, while also trying to win?

You're clearly missing my point - I don't find disagreeing with consensus to be an issue, what I find to be the problem is that they will actively fight consensus in later stages of the game (again, my opinion here).

I do not think it's impossible to have fun primarily while trying to win, but again fun is very subjective.

Like right now, I'm having a fucking ball. Here's why:

1. It's entertaining as hell to argue killing ghug, damo, and Vecna on D1 over our normal shitshow of last second votes.
2. I find it incredibly fun to watch you actively fight against my proposal while not bringing anything relevant to the table on how to be better as town.
3. I find it fun to watch Vecna completely avoid commentary on my posts/opinion.
4. It's fun to watch BB try to be different but fall into similar tendencies (note: they aren't bad tendencies).
5. I am intrigued by what Bunny is planning right now, because we all know he has some sort of gimmick going on.

This is fun as hell for me. How about you Will? You having as much fun as me?

I just fundamentally disagree with killing someone based on them following their playstyle *as town*

I feel like if we known GHug/Vecna/Damo as town go against consensus, then it would backwardly be better to keep them alive, as we know their playstyle well as town

Im having fun, I enjoy mafia

[brainbomb]

Worcej arguing is very on brand for his town game.

[worcej]

I don't like worcej's plan (regardless of whether I'm on his list) and I think his picks are odd given his motivation (I think damo is actually more motivated to build consensus than most and Vecna's consistently low activity makes him less of that game-driving "good player" than me used to be). I think it's coming from a good place, though, and I think the questionableness of the logic is generally a sign that worcej is letting us see his real thought process.

this narrative of me being low activity is just weird. I just play a lot less games, but the games I play im usually in the top 5 posters

You're low activity to me because of your timing/availability. I few you similar as myself honestly - when you're here, you post a LOT, but then peace out for many hours.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I will buy the entire mafia team copies of civ 7 founders edition to kill ND for us N1

Nd if you’re mafia you have the opportunity to do the funniest thing ever

Also ND is towny off vibes

[damo666]

Players who have posted but not made a useful testable statement on alignment:

ND
RedNeurax
Spirit
worcej

Non-posters

Bozo
Vecna

Will vote from this pool of 6 (unless all 6 make a useful verifiable alignment statement, in which case back to square 1).

Factually false. Fake news.

Where is it false?

[worcej]

Look Worcej I think theres a disconnect

I do not play against my win condition

I am not accusing you of this, just notably telling you my expectation as another player is that you do this and have fun while doing it.

But I disagree that the thing that needs to change is killing people who disagree with consensus

I’m a little confused as to what you are saying

You think it is impossible to have fun primarily, while also trying to win?

You're clearly missing my point - I don't find disagreeing with consensus to be an issue, what I find to be the problem is that they will actively fight consensus in later stages of the game (again, my opinion here).

I do not think it's impossible to have fun primarily while trying to win, but again fun is very subjective.

Like right now, I'm having a fucking ball. Here's why:

1. It's entertaining as hell to argue killing ghug, damo, and Vecna on D1 over our normal shitshow of last second votes.
2. I find it incredibly fun to watch you actively fight against my proposal while not bringing anything relevant to the table on how to be better as town.
3. I find it fun to watch Vecna completely avoid commentary on my posts/opinion.
4. It's fun to watch BB try to be different but fall into similar tendencies (note: they aren't bad tendencies).
5. I am intrigued by what Bunny is planning right now, because we all know he has some sort of gimmick going on.

This is fun as hell for me. How about you Will? You having as much fun as me?

I just fundamentally disagree with killing someone based on them following their playstyle *as town*

I feel like if we known GHug/Vecna/Damo as town go against consensus, then it would backwardly be better to keep them alive, as we know their playstyle well as town

Im having fun, I enjoy mafia

The problem is their playstyle is NAI and they do the same as mafia - thus I disagree with your reasoning for being different.

[brainbomb]

Will being taken aback by scrutiny is very on brand with his town game. Scum will tries to spin things back onto people. Its probably the survivor meta to be able to deflect scrutiny off of self onto someone else. Either way he doesnt do it as town.

[ND]

The idea of a d1 verifiable alignment statement is so stupid. One of the stupidest things I've ever read on this website. Probably something Ghug or Bozo came up with.

#make web Dip mafia great agaiN

[worcej]

Players who have posted but not made a useful testable statement on alignment:

ND
RedNeurax
Spirit
worcej

Non-posters

Bozo
Vecna

Will vote from this pool of 6 (unless all 6 make a useful verifiable alignment statement, in which case back to square 1).

Factually false. Fake news.

Where is it false?

Receipts:

I am Vanilla Town - do you believe me?

I am Vanilla Town - do you believe me?

To avoid someone being all ~weird~ about my statement being difficult for a lie detector.

I am Vanilla Town.

I wonder if you believe me?

[brainbomb]

The idea of a d1 verifiable alignment statement is so stupid. One of the stupidest things I've ever read on this website. Probably something Ghug or Bozo came up with.

#make web Dip mafia great agaiN

Bozo hasnt even posted

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I am not accusing you of this, just notably telling you my expectation as another player is that you do this and have fun while doing it.
You're clearly missing my point - I don't find disagreeing with consensus to be an issue, what I find to be the problem is that they will actively fight consensus in later stages of the game (again, my opinion here).

I do not think it's impossible to have fun primarily while trying to win, but again fun is very subjective.

Like right now, I'm having a fucking ball. Here's why:

1. It's entertaining as hell to argue killing ghug, damo, and Vecna on D1 over our normal shitshow of last second votes.
2. I find it incredibly fun to watch you actively fight against my proposal while not bringing anything relevant to the table on how to be better as town.
3. I find it fun to watch Vecna completely avoid commentary on my posts/opinion.
4. It's fun to watch BB try to be different but fall into similar tendencies (note: they aren't bad tendencies).
5. I am intrigued by what Bunny is planning right now, because we all know he has some sort of gimmick going on.

This is fun as hell for me. How about you Will? You having as much fun as me?

I just fundamentally disagree with killing someone based on them following their playstyle *as town*

I feel like if we known GHug/Vecna/Damo as town go against consensus, then it would backwardly be better to keep them alive, as we know their playstyle well as town

Im having fun, I enjoy mafia

The problem is their playstyle is NAI and they do the same as mafia - thus I disagree with your reasoning for being different.

Ah i see

I do think Ghug is mafia here, can we agree to disagree on the reason and just head that way?

[kingofthepirates]

Original post:
ngl, looking at past games idt ND was anywhere near as cynical as this game.
perhaps gimmick, perhaps mixing up play style, but regardless, not a fan, vibes are all off (slight scum tilt? I still like the game relevant posts, but gut is calling smth is a bit off) :<

Response to new post I saw before posting:

I will buy the entire mafia team copies of civ 7 founders edition to kill ND for us N1

Nd if you’re mafia you have the opportunity to do the funniest thing ever

Also ND is towny off vibes

it'd be hilarious.

anything other than vibes to call ND town?

[Vecna]

I am one of: Richard Marshall, Oliver Cromwell, John Lowes, Sara Lowes, or a vanilla townsperson.

##call gm

can the lie detector only lie detect on entire posts, or are they allowed to make a selection within a post?

Not sure, but I made sure to include ‘one of’ to make sure they couldn’t pick ansd choose something in my post

You phrased it in such a way that mafia could PR hunt.

[worcej]

Will being taken aback by scrutiny is very on brand with his town game. Scum will tries to spin things back onto people. Its probably the survivor meta to be able to deflect scrutiny off of self onto someone else. Either way he doesnt do it as town.

I don't disagree here and am arriving at a similar conclusion that he is likely town and not a good D1 kill.

I definitely don't feel this way about my three chosen targets yet though.