MAFIA 92 - The return of the Witchfinder General [GAME THREAD]

[brainbomb]

Worcej, I understand your frustration but I think Will is just trying to say he wants to play relaxed and not uptight.

[Vecna]

Don't be gung ho, casual or jokey with votes. It makes it too easy for a Warlock.

didnt EMC used to say that anti-fun damo was a scum damo?

[Vecna]

My daughter immediately began asking what that horrible noise was and complained she couldnt hear her show

did your wife ever end up playing against after that first game, or was she permanently spooked off of mafia (or our group of crazies)?

[Jamiet99uk]

##CALL GM

If I make a post saying

“I am Will. A PR is something that helps town”

Can the lie detector only scan the words

“I

Am

A

[word after A]”

No of course not.

A Lie detector has to select a statement.

In that post you did not assert that you were a PR.

A Lie detector could detect whether you were telling the truth about being called Will.

A Lie detector could possibly detect whether you were telling the truth about PRs helping town but that would most likely lead to an inconclusive or misleading result because there are non-town PRs also.

A lie detector cannot take a jumble of assorted non-consecutive words from your post, skip out other words, form a selective sentence that you did not actually say, and use their power on the result. Don't be silly.

[Vecna]

i think both of ya are barking up the wrong tree, throwing out gut reads before half an hour's even past. but it seems fun, so I'll join ya, woof woof :3

neutral read of will, seems like normal will behavior. don't remember if dip was always this cynical but idk the vibes aren't my favorite rn :< tiny lean scum me thinks.

I find early gutreads to be a good way to get discussion rolling. i’m also trying to get this game as far away from a mech slog as possible

There have been too many games where town gets wrapped up about mechs early and doesnt focus on actually finding the mafia

1. Talk about mechs.
2. Shade mechs.
3. ???
4. Profit!

This lack of continuity in thought suggests Will is town.

foodcoats already feels way too town.

must be naughty

[brainbomb]

My daughter immediately began asking what that horrible noise was and complained she couldnt hear her show

did your wife ever end up playing against after that first game, or was she permanently spooked off of mafia (or our group of crazies)?

Eh she decided its not her style. Also she started a new job yesterday so she wouldnt have had time

[Vecna]

"I am town"

I am town

I am town.

I am one of: Richard Marshall, Oliver Cromwell, John Lowes, Sara Lowes, or a vanilla townsperson.

I am not a third party or a member of the mafia.

I am very cool and sexy.

one of these statements does not require a lie detector to sus out

[Vecna]

My daughter immediately began asking what that horrible noise was and complained she couldnt hear her show

did your wife ever end up playing against after that first game, or was she permanently spooked off of mafia (or our group of crazies)?

Eh she decided its not her style. Also she started a new job yesterday so she wouldnt have had time

yeah this resonates. Darg bullied me into playing, and my boss will probably end up regretting it

[ghug]

Are you saying someone is more likely to be mafia if they push mafia?

More likely than average, yes.

even if this is true, what are we accomplishing by telling everyone that if they push a mafia, they are more likely to be scumread?
For a specific example, it would be nice to have the 3p make a decent effort at genuinely scumreading because they would think it would get them towncred

##vote ghug

I'm not saying people will get scumread. I'm lamenting that they get townread. It's also a concept limited to day one, when nobody has any really reliable way of finding scum anyway. This is also something I've been very consistent about across games, so scumreading me for it seems opportunistic.

[Vecna]

Im excited to play as Harriet Tubman of the Khmer. That makes alot of sense I guess

Yes because the game is otherwise perfectly historically accurate.

ghug already feels ultra scummy so he's probably gonna carry me again

[worcej]

Worcej, I understand your frustration but I think Will is just trying to say he wants to play relaxed and not uptight.

I'm not frustrated in any way, I am pointing out flaws in his commentary and want him to expand more.

Some of his responses to me have been elusive (my read), but ultimately he has been 100% against my approach from launch and keeps inserting inconsistent reasons as to why.

[Vecna]

I'm here to make web dip great again.

goddamn

i signed up for an ND game

this reminded me I should invest into my new beachfront property in the middle east

[worcej]

I don’t see how voting someone not based on scuminess and rather based on not being consensus will change that

The thing that needs to change is how we solve and how we townread/scumread people

@brain
I shield new players so they can play the game. Just a common courtesy. Its NAI for me

I am presenting these kill choices at people based on my own opinions.

How do you suggest we do better at townread/scumread people without considering player's ability to arrive at consensus?

You scumread them?

Regarding what we do different, that, I’m not sure about. There is no cheat code for reads, I think we just have to get better at finding what is truly AI and what is NAI fluff

Not less than 24 hours into the game.

So you're not sure about what to do but know we shouldn't do what I am proposing?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

The point of the game is to win… I feel we should just vote you off now so you go have fun in the GT versus actually trying to play the game.

Worcej I’m not saying that we shouldn’t strive to do better

Why even play mafia if you are putting winning ahead of having fun? Idgaf if I lose or win, as long as I have fun

If you want to kill me for that, then go ahead lol you’re barking up the wrong tree

”fun” is a shit metric to try to prioritize because what is fun for you may not be fun for others. For the sake of this, please define what “fun” is for you.

In all seriousness though- When you signed up for this game, you’re signing a “contract” to play to your win condition. So I explicitly expect you to do that and not prioritize “fun”.

Look Worcej I think theres a disconnect

I do not play against my win condition

But I disagree that the thing that needs to change is killing people who disagree with consensus

I’m a little confused as to what you are saying

You think it is impossible to have fun primarily, while also trying to win?

[kingofthepirates]

##vote red

wanna see more out of red neurax... some opinions, pls :3

Also bozo, where ya at (webdip last online reads within last 24 hours...)?

[brainbomb]

Vecna sounds like he wants to stay a while and listen

[worcej]

I'm here to make web dip great again.

goddamn

i signed up for an ND game

this reminded me I should invest into my new beachfront property in the middle east

I heard we're going to make Gaza great again soon. I bet that land is cheap AF atm

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Look Worcej heres where I’m at

I am pretty consistently scumread and thusly killed for my playstyle, regardless if people know its normal for me or not

And I greatly dislike it because I feel like I have tried my damndest to prevent it by changing stuff in my play. However I’ve found its just not fun to do so, as it takes too much energy and just isnt fun

So obviously I’m going to be against killing people for playstyle. I’d be a hypocrite if I did not

[Vecna]

As an example of my new approach to the game

Interesting names. Why do you feel these are good players?

I feel like they are consistently good at reading the game and getting things correct over the course of the game but are awful at working with the collective town to see what they see.

I feel like I usually convince y'all to kill to I want to kill?

only if ur scum

[brainbomb]

Look Worcej heres where I’m at

I am pretty consistently scumread and thusly killed for my playstyle, regardless if people know its normal for me or not

And I greatly dislike it because I feel like I have tried my damndest to prevent it by changing stuff in my play. However I’ve found its just not fun to do so, as it takes too much energy and just isnt fun

So obviously I’m going to be against killing people for playstyle. I’d be a hypocrite if I did not

This does feel like giving yourself an excuse to not catch any scum this game.