MAFIA 92 - The return of the Witchfinder General [GAME THREAD]

[Jamiet99uk]

I am one of: Richard Marshall, Oliver Cromwell, John Lowes, Sara Lowes, or a vanilla townsperson.

##call gm

can the lie detector only lie detect on entire posts, or are they allowed to make a selection within a post?

GM ANSWER:

SETUP INFORMATION

<snip>

Lie Detector - At night, two times during the game, you may contact the GM, quoting a statement by another player. The GM, if able to do so, will confirm whether the statement is TRUE or FALSE. The quoted statement should only pertain to one self-contained fact or piece of information. Unverifiable statements will return UNCLEAR, and will still use up a shot.

Notes:
1. The Lie Detector only finds out whether or not their target was verifiably telling the truth in apparent good faith, or not. This power cannot, therefore, expose information which the quoted player would not themselves know. (For example the power cannot be gamed by having an uninformed Mafia Goon say "Kestas is the Cop" and then using the Lie Detector on them to verify whether Kestas really is the Cop or not, because the Goon could not verifiably have had such knowledge of the Cop).

2. Using the Lie Detector on statements containing multiple assertions will yield an incomplete or inconclusive result, at the GM's discretion. (For example using the Lie Detector on the statement "I am the Cop, and my favourite colour is blue, and on N1 I investigated Vecna and on N2 I investigated Ghug and they are both guilty, but on N3 I was roleblocked, and for breakfast I had eggs benedict, and on N4 I am going to investigate Brainbomb" will be likely to yield unsatisfying or confusing results. But you could have selected just the part of the phrase which says "I am the Cop", and this would be more likely to provide a useful result).

I refer you to the highlighted information from the Setup on P1.

[foodcoats]

I think I just fundamentally disagree with killing someone based on playstyle

I’m just not worried about town winrate overall so much that I want to kill people just for the way they play

I find this weird that you are not worried about town winrate, which is a direct indicator of how we actually find scum (aka we typically don’t)

Towns winrate is historically at a dramatic low where town is only winning a game or two a year now. Some of this is because the scum players are very good and the way we play helps scum. Games where town wins are aided by guns, mech, and usually mafia teams that implode into bad luck.

People here have gone to other forums and have played as town and have advanced in champs tournaments and are usually hailed as skilled. So it isnt tied to individual bad plays really. Maybe some of it is fear driven and habitual. Bad meta maybe?

That’s interesting data. I definitely find town frustrating - but on the bright side it isn’t stressful.

[brainbomb]

So, we know worcej and brain are misguided town.

I like the subtlety of this post’s real intent is to invalidate brain and mine thought process.

I didnt take it that way, keep in mind he said this when we were both voting him. So its what he would say as either align

[worcej]

I think I just fundamentally disagree with killing someone based on playstyle

I’m just not worried about town winrate overall so much that I want to kill people just for the way they play

I find this weird that you are not worried about town winrate, which is a direct indicator of how we actually find scum (aka we typically don’t)

Towns winrate is historically at a dramatic low where town is only winning a game or two a year now. Some of this is because the scum players are very good and the way we play helps scum. Games where town wins are aided by guns, mech, and usually mafia teams that implode into bad luck.

People here have gone to other forums and have played as town and have advanced in champs tournaments and are usually hailed as skilled. So it isnt tied to individual bad plays really. Maybe some of it is fear driven and habitual. Bad meta maybe?

I guess so, but my proposed targets for D1 are certainly anti-meta.

[foodcoats]

So, we know worcej and brain are misguided town.

I like the subtlety of this post’s real intent is to invalidate brain and mine thought process.

I didnt take it that way, keep in mind he said this when we were both voting him. So its what he would say as either align

Ahhhhh thank you for catching and explaining this brain.

[worcej]

So, we know worcej and brain are misguided town.

I like the subtlety of this post’s real intent is to invalidate brain and mine thought process.

I didnt take it that way, keep in mind he said this when we were both voting him. So its what he would say as either align

I mean, what way did you take it as then?

[Vecna]

My role is Vanilla Town

odd behaviour to purposefully make a potential scum detector more potent.

Classic brainbomb to bait people into attacking him over it as well.

Even more classic brainbomb as scum to obviously flaunt his too scummy to be scum behaviour.

[miminena]

##vote spirit

what's the motivation behind this? sorry if I'm being a bit pushy but I'd like to have as much information as possible

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I find this weird that you are not worried about town winrate, which is a direct indicator of how we actually find scum (aka we typically don’t)

Im just not

I used to play to win, now I play mostly to have fun

The point of the game is to win… I feel we should just vote you off now so you go have fun in the GT versus actually trying to play the game.

Worcej I’m not saying that we shouldn’t strive to do better

Why even play mafia if you are putting winning ahead of having fun? Idgaf if I lose or win, as long as I have fun

If you want to kill me for that, then go ahead lol you’re barking up the wrong tree

[miminena]

##vote spirit

what's the motivation behind this? sorry if I'm being a bit pushy but I'd like to have as much information as possible

nevermind, I missed your post from before this one

[worcej]

I think we should D1 one of either damo, ghug, or Vecna to make this game really interesting.

To expand my position here, I volunteer these three specifically because:

1. They are the least likely to entertain consensus outside of their own opinions.
2. Collectively they are more likely to be left around until later if town and usually suspicion forces us to have to MK them too late.
3. It's more interesting to eliminate "good players" on D1 than random MK's

I voted for ghug D1 last game and then I got D1’d, so I would be up to challenge the WDM meta again. As I said then, I cannot read ghug, so for me anyway he is a more positive EV flip than some others.

##VOTE ghug

Nothing personal ghug! It’s worcej’s fault.

I like this.

##vote ghug

[Vecna]

Brain can you say

“I am town”

Instead of

“I am vanilla town”

whats the rationale behind this question?

its sufficient for town, and the damage has already been done for scum lie detector?

[Vecna]

eh scratch that last comment, that was clearly a brainfart

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

##CALL GM

If I make a post saying

“I am Will. A PR is something that helps town”

Can the lie detector only scan the words

“I

Am

A

[word after A]”

[brainbomb]

I like the subtlety of this post’s real intent is to invalidate brain and mine thought process.

I didnt take it that way, keep in mind he said this when we were both voting him. So its what he would say as either align

I mean, what way did you take it as then?

Its pretty on brand for damo to be dismissive of my thought process. So I took it as him playing off my vote as more of just brain being brain. Only scummy thing about it is that it pertained only to himself and he wasnt offering a chastise of anyone else being voted. Id be curious who he townreads.

[brainbomb]

##vote spirit

what's the motivation behind this? sorry if I'm being a bit pushy but I'd like to have as much information as possible

His early posts were not memorable. So much so I remembered incorrectly that they were made by foodcoats and not him.

[Vecna]

You know, starting a game a day prior to the early access to Civ VII may have been a mistake.

paying extra money for civ 7 EA was a mistake to begin with

[brainbomb]

You know, starting a game a day prior to the early access to Civ VII may have been a mistake.

paying extra money for civ 7 EA was a mistake to begin with

How bad is it? I didnt do the ea

[worcej]

Im just not

I used to play to win, now I play mostly to have fun

The point of the game is to win… I feel we should just vote you off now so you go have fun in the GT versus actually trying to play the game.

Worcej I’m not saying that we shouldn’t strive to do better

Why even play mafia if you are putting winning ahead of having fun? Idgaf if I lose or win, as long as I have fun

If you want to kill me for that, then go ahead lol you’re barking up the wrong tree

”fun” is a shit metric to try to prioritize because what is fun for you may not be fun for others. For the sake of this, please define what “fun” is for you.

In all seriousness though- When you signed up for this game, you’re signing a “contract” to play to your win condition. So I explicitly expect you to do that and not prioritize “fun”.

[miminena]

##CALL GM

If I make a post saying

“I am Will. A PR is something that helps town”

Can the lie detector only scan the words

“I

Am

A

[word after A]”

this is a bit broad, why not just ask about the specific scenario? that's most likely to get a useful answer