M1034: SOLE SURVIVOR: GAME THREAD

[damo666]

I'm pretty inclined to vote darg when I wake up in the morning, so please voice objections if you have them.

We'll probably end up voting darg but can we explore JamieRed as a pairing first and see if there's a reason to eliminate.

"Jamie Red" was one of my nicknames as an undergrad because I'm such a filthy commie. True facts.

Why do you think I am scum with Red Neurax, Damo? The problem with your pairings is you don't tend to explain them in any detail. I'll be happy to correct any incorrect assumptions you have made.

I'm assuming ghug is town, I know I am town, if darg is not scum then that only leaves you and red. It's merely a logical process rather than a belief. I'm currently thinking something like 50% dargRed 30% dargJ 20% JR. I'd like some evidence to reduce that 20%.

[dargorygel]

Jamie and Red do not interact much. Not surprising.

An odd thing is that I would expect Jamie to push on inactive Red more than he has in this game. But that is not really a strong piece of evidence for a Red/Jamie pair, because Jamie would be expected to push on Red's inactivity as either scum OR town.

It is just an eyebrow raise thing, for me.

[damo666]

wdym im acting lost i dont think im very lost

So who are the two scum then?

if i knew, i would have told you

if i had to say i suspected one person, i would say i think its dargorygel. The reason i say this is because of how he voted for diplomacyandwarfare without lots of questioning. I am aware that i did this too, but i think that staying quiet and voting the most sussed player could be a mafia tactic to lay low.

damogorygel has been vocal which i dont think is a mafia move in such a tense situation. i also don't think bonatogether since forgetting to vote is not something a mafia would do.

ghug and jamiet99uk have both been vocal so i dont really know about them

A slightly worrying post (against a darg/red pairing).

[damo666]

Jamie and Red do not interact much. Not surprising.

An odd thing is that I would expect Jamie to push on inactive Red more than he has in this game. But that is not really a strong piece of evidence for a Red/Jamie pair, because Jamie would be expected to push on Red's inactivity as either scum OR town.

It is just an eyebrow raise thing, for me.

which one is your partner darg?

[dargorygel]

Jamie and Red do not interact much. Not surprising.

An odd thing is that I would expect Jamie to push on inactive Red more than he has in this game. But that is not really a strong piece of evidence for a Red/Jamie pair, because Jamie would be expected to push on Red's inactivity as either scum OR town.

It is just an eyebrow raise thing, for me.

which one is your partner darg?

This morning, I think my partners are red and you.

[dargorygel]

Looking back at your initial pairings posts (which I mostly disregarded, because it presumed dip was inno, which I was tunneling against) I am seeing from a logical point of view, that I am a good vote.

But i know I am town.

Ghug and Jamie are presently my top reads. That can change, though.

They have had, also, remarkably little to do with each other.

They both are a little lofty towards the room. They have been involved, and certainly I followed jamie for a time

I also suspect you and jamie, due to what looks like some loose coordination of effort.

BUT... I am self-analysing my view of red. He is not in either of my two choices. He is low involvement, which is pushing him under my radar.

We are in this horrible gamestate. I have answered a few questions, but the accusations against me are more 'intentions' than facts. That is hard to answer, and hard to move folk off a predisposition. My original tunneling may cost us the game, because I acknowledge it set minds into a mode of thinking of me as scummy.

I'd like to blame dip's silly first case for it... but it just is what it is.

Anyway, there does not seem to be any clear 'gotcha' cases. Just the usual bunch of 'would scum do this,' "THAT seems like a scummy approach" and the like.

[damo666]

Looking back at your initial pairings posts (which I mostly disregarded, because it presumed dip was inno, which I was tunneling against) I am seeing from a logical point of view, that I am a good vote.

But i know I am town.

Ghug and Jamie are presently my top reads. That can change, though.

They have had, also, remarkably little to do with each other.

They both are a little lofty towards the room. They have been involved, and certainly I followed jamie for a time

I also suspect you and jamie, due to what looks like some loose coordination of effort.

BUT... I am self-analysing my view of red. He is not in either of my two choices. He is low involvement, which is pushing him under my radar.

We are in this horrible gamestate. I have answered a few questions, but the accusations against me are more 'intentions' than facts. That is hard to answer, and hard to move folk off a predisposition. My original tunneling may cost us the game, because I acknowledge it set minds into a mode of thinking of me as scummy.

I'd like to blame dip's silly first case for it... but it just is what it is.

Anyway, there does not seem to be any clear 'gotcha' cases. Just the usual bunch of 'would scum do this,' "THAT seems like a scummy approach" and the like.

The reason I doubt Jamie/ghug is that when Jamie was pushing Dip and I was suggesting ghug the more efficient kill Jamie didn't panic or disagree.

[damo666]

Looking back at your initial pairings posts (which I mostly disregarded, because it presumed dip was inno, which I was tunneling against) I am seeing from a logical point of view, that I am a good vote.

But i know I am town.

Ghug and Jamie are presently my top reads. That can change, though.

They have had, also, remarkably little to do with each other.

They both are a little lofty towards the room. They have been involved, and certainly I followed jamie for a time

I also suspect you and jamie, due to what looks like some loose coordination of effort.

BUT... I am self-analysing my view of red. He is not in either of my two choices. He is low involvement, which is pushing him under my radar.

We are in this horrible gamestate. I have answered a few questions, but the accusations against me are more 'intentions' than facts. That is hard to answer, and hard to move folk off a predisposition. My original tunneling may cost us the game, because I acknowledge it set minds into a mode of thinking of me as scummy.

I'd like to blame dip's silly first case for it... but it just is what it is.

Anyway, there does not seem to be any clear 'gotcha' cases. Just the usual bunch of 'would scum do this,' "THAT seems like a scummy approach" and the like.

Note the l/c u/c "i". Guilt? GuIlt?

[damo666]

@ghug I'm satisfied. You have my blessing to vote darg.

[damo666]

No one has voted

21 hours, 22 minutes left in the day

Town must kill a Mafia or they will automatically lose

If there is a scenario in which a town votes another town, and the mafia can automatically win by voting there, the game will be ended due to there being no way the town can win

You should not do this. If A votes B and the game does not auto-end we know that at least one of A and B are scum.

[damo666]

And also scum may neglect to vote like Bona D2. Just let the game play out.

[dargorygel]

No one has voted

21 hours, 22 minutes left in the day

Town must kill a Mafia or they will automatically lose

If there is a scenario in which a town votes another town, and the mafia can automatically win by voting there, the game will be ended due to there being no way the town can win

You should not do this. If A votes B and the game does not auto-end we know that at least one of A and B are scum.

possible town points for damo.
Damo, I considered posting something similar. But IN CASE scum was being stupid or unwise, I decided not to make this comment.

Did you consider this?

[dargorygel]

@ghug I'm satisfied. You have my blessing to vote darg.

I do not think we got a 'reason' for the lack of discipline on bona... which I suppose is fine. I didn't ask.

But it does leave the door open for anyone else to do this at least once.

##CALL GM what will your policy be towards a non vote?

[damo666]

No one has voted

21 hours, 22 minutes left in the day

Town must kill a Mafia or they will automatically lose

If there is a scenario in which a town votes another town, and the mafia can automatically win by voting there, the game will be ended due to there being no way the town can win

You should not do this. If A votes B and the game does not auto-end we know that at least one of A and B are scum.

possible town points for damo.
Damo, I considered posting something similar. But IN CASE scum was being stupid or unwise, I decided not to make this comment.

Did you consider this?

No. I just said what I thought was fair and correct.

[damo666]

@ghug I'm satisfied. You have my blessing to vote darg.

Now I'm doubting myself.

[damo666]

No one has voted

21 hours, 22 minutes left in the day

Town must kill a Mafia or they will automatically lose

If there is a scenario in which a town votes another town, and the mafia can automatically win by voting there, the game will be ended due to there being no way the town can win

You should not do this. If A votes B and the game does not auto-end we know that at least one of A and B are scum.

possible town points for damo.
Damo, I considered posting something similar. But IN CASE scum was being stupid or unwise, I decided not to make this comment.

Did you consider this?

Now darg if you are town then given Red's day1 vote on ghug giving Towndip the choice making a ghugRed pairing nigh on impossible then from ypov scum must be in {ghug, Jamie, Damo}. You think any of those 3 pairs are stupid or unwise?

[damo666]

@ghug I'm satisfied. You have my blessing to vote darg.

Now I'm doubting myself.

Nope. I think it's darg. With Red.

[dargorygel]

You should not do this. If A votes B and the game does not auto-end we know that at least one of A and B are scum.

possible town points for damo.
Damo, I considered posting something similar. But IN CASE scum was being stupid or unwise, I decided not to make this comment.

Did you consider this?

Now darg if you are town then given Red's day1 vote on ghug giving Towndip the choice making a ghugRed pairing nigh on impossible then from ypov scum must be in {ghug, Jamie, Damo}. You think any of those 3 pairs are stupid or unwise?

The stupid or unwise has nothing to do with pairings. It has to do wih the oddity of this particular situation. Ghug, for instance seemed unsure of the immediate tactic.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

@ghug I'm satisfied. You have my blessing to vote darg.

I do not think we got a 'reason' for the lack of discipline on bona... which I suppose is fine. I didn't ask.

But it does leave the door open for anyone else to do this at least once.

##CALL GM what will your policy be towards a non vote?

You will receive your first and only warning

[Jamiet99uk]

Jamie and Red do not interact much. Not surprising.

An odd thing is that I would expect Jamie to push on inactive Red more than he has in this game. But that is not really a strong piece of evidence for a Red/Jamie pair, because Jamie would be expected to push on Red's inactivity as either scum OR town.

It is just an eyebrow raise thing, for me.

This has been a low activity game!

Small games are just different though. In an 18 person setup, four or five people hardly posting at all represent a big problem for town. In a small setup it's not quite the same.

Plus this game has a 10 post minimum which I'm definitely in favour of.