M1034: SOLE SURVIVOR: GAME THREAD

[Jamiet99uk]

readlist
town

dip(me)
StraightFlush

"Will vote to save this player" line

Bonatogether
dargorygel
damo666
foodcoats

"I would like to see this player dead today" line

Jamiet99uk
ghug
Red Neurax

scum

I should probably move my vote off damo given that my main accusation was lurking
%%VOTE GHUG

tell me jamie, do you think the people on the side labeled "town" or the side labeled "scum" are the players I will vote to save?
Furthermore, do you think the group including me, or the group not including me is the group that I will vote to save?

I read it as three groups:

1. Locktown
2. People you were opposed to voting.
3. People you wanted to kill.

Ghug was in group 3 and you had the chance to kill him. You didn't. You saved him. I think that's quite significant.

[Jamiet99uk]

Am I missing something? Have I been hallucinating in thinking readlists are normally posted with the top being either town or scum, going down to players read as being on the opposite team?

Yes and you had GHUG in the bottom group, the people you scumread the most. Foodcoats was not in that bottom group, he was in the middle group. AND YET - when it was a tie between Ghug and someone who was less of a suspect for you than Ghug, you somehow decided to vote to save Ghug.

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

@dip (others, too... but iirc dip particularly commented on this in game) do you see the %% as a promise? Why or why not?

I mean
to me it was more of a poll
as I said I wanted to vote someone with multiple %% votes if possible
it turned out to be impractical because I was the only one with multiple %% votes, so I was just going to vote my own scumread
until red tied

anyways
I would like to see a %% be followed, but everyone is very enthusiastic about starting bandwagons so that seems unlikely

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

readlist
town

dip(me)
StraightFlush

"Will vote to save this player" line

Bonatogether
dargorygel
damo666
foodcoats

"I would like to see this player dead today" line

Jamiet99uk
ghug
Red Neurax

scum

I should probably move my vote off damo given that my main accusation was lurking
%%VOTE GHUG

tell me jamie, do you think the people on the side labeled "town" or the side labeled "scum" are the players I will vote to save?
Furthermore, do you think the group including me, or the group not including me is the group that I will vote to save?

I read it as three groups:

1. Locktown
2. People you were opposed to voting.
3. People you wanted to kill.

Ghug was in group 3 and you had the chance to kill him. You didn't. You saved him. I think that's quite significant.

this is either sheer stupidity or scumplay
group 1 I will vote to save
group 2: mild trs/srs
group 3: people I want to vote
also, how did "line" turn into "header for a section"?

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

Am I missing something? Have I been hallucinating in thinking readlists are normally posted with the top being either town or scum, going down to players read as being on the opposite team?

Yes and you had GHUG in the bottom group, the people you scumread the most. Foodcoats was not in that bottom group, he was in the middle group. AND YET - when it was a tie between Ghug and someone who was less of a suspect for you than Ghug, you somehow decided to vote to save Ghug.

A: I didn't like the ghug wagon because of the bona vote
B: ghug and food were literally right next to each other
C: (this is what ended up tiebreaking, as need I remind you red forced me to make a decision in those last 5 minutes) food had less posts than ghug

[Jamiet99uk]

tell me jamie, do you think the people on the side labeled "town" or the side labeled "scum" are the players I will vote to save?
Furthermore, do you think the group including me, or the group not including me is the group that I will vote to save?

I read it as three groups:

1. Locktown
2. People you were opposed to voting.
3. People you wanted to kill.

Ghug was in group 3 and you had the chance to kill him. You didn't. You saved him. I think that's quite significant.

this is either sheer stupidity or scumplay
group 1 I will vote to save
group 2: mild trs/srs
group 3: people I want to vote
also, how did "line" turn into "header for a section"?

You are avoiding the real issue, which is that Ghug was in your top 3 scumreads, and Foodcoats was not, and yet, when there was a tie between Foodcoats and your strong scumread Ghug, you voted in a way that saved Ghug and killed Foods.

[Jamiet99uk]

Am I missing something? Have I been hallucinating in thinking readlists are normally posted with the top being either town or scum, going down to players read as being on the opposite team?

Yes and you had GHUG in the bottom group, the people you scumread the most. Foodcoats was not in that bottom group, he was in the middle group. AND YET - when it was a tie between Ghug and someone who was less of a suspect for you than Ghug, you somehow decided to vote to save Ghug.

A: I didn't like the ghug wagon because of the bona vote
B: ghug and food were literally right next to each other
C: (this is what ended up tiebreaking, as need I remind you red forced me to make a decision in those last 5 minutes) food had less posts than ghug

A: is bullshit because Bona's vote was cast very early in the game, long before you listed Ghug as one of your top 3 scumreads that you definitely "want to kill".

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

Why am I being held responsible for this vote?
I wanted a vote based on the %%
I did not ask for you guys to start random bandwagons
I did not ask for darg to start a bandwagon on food
I did not ask for red to tie and leave me under 5 minutes to make a decision

and frankly, I am starting to consider a jamie/darg team because they are making a very concentrated effort to pin yesterday's vote on me

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

Yes and you had GHUG in the bottom group, the people you scumread the most. Foodcoats was not in that bottom group, he was in the middle group. AND YET - when it was a tie between Ghug and someone who was less of a suspect for you than Ghug, you somehow decided to vote to save Ghug.

A: I didn't like the ghug wagon because of the bona vote
B: ghug and food were literally right next to each other
C: (this is what ended up tiebreaking, as need I remind you red forced me to make a decision in those last 5 minutes) food had less posts than ghug

A: is bullshit because Bona's vote was cast very early in the game, long before you listed Ghug as one of your top 3 scumreads that you definitely "want to kill".

That is literally the reason I didn't like the bona vote
it was cast early in the game and therefore without any good reasons

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

I read it as three groups:

1. Locktown
2. People you were opposed to voting.
3. People you wanted to kill.

Ghug was in group 3 and you had the chance to kill him. You didn't. You saved him. I think that's quite significant.

this is either sheer stupidity or scumplay
group 1 I will vote to save
group 2: mild trs/srs
group 3: people I want to vote
also, how did "line" turn into "header for a section"?

You are avoiding the real issue, which is that Ghug was in your top 3 scumreads, and Foodcoats was not, and yet, when there was a tie between Foodcoats and your strong scumread Ghug, you voted in a way that saved Ghug and killed Foods.

You are also avoiding the issue, which is, at the risk of repeating myself, that ghug and food were 1 spot away from each other
also, that readlist was posted quite a lot before my vote. Is it so inconceivable that my reads shifted between two players who I had similar reads on in the first place?

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

watch jamie's next post say that answering questions that he asked means I'm being defensive

[damo666]

@Damo:

From your Bozosurvey; which players voted *differently* to their survey response?

Three out of the 4 Food voters {darg, dip, sf} went against there previous declaration.

So did I (ghug=>red) and food (darg=> ghug).

Red (ghug) hadn't made a prior declaration.

Bona was locked in on ghug early.

Only two players stuck with their declaration; ghug on food and Jamie on Dip.

Observations anyone?

Not an observation: would you prefer I voted jamie and let the vote tie?

No. Weird question. Where do I imply any preference about the way anyone voted? I merely provided info as I was requested to do.

You portray guilt.

[Jamiet99uk]

Why am I being held responsible for this vote?
I wanted a vote based on the %%
I did not ask for you guys to start random bandwagons
I did not ask for darg to start a bandwagon on food
I did not ask for red to tie and leave me under 5 minutes to make a decision

and frankly, I am starting to consider a jamie/darg team because they are making a very concentrated effort to pin yesterday's vote on me

I'm not holding you responsible for voting Foodcoats.

I'm holding you responsible for NOT voting someone immediately after saying they were one of your top scumreads AND when they would have flipped if you did vote for them.

[Jamiet99uk]

this is either sheer stupidity or scumplay
group 1 I will vote to save
group 2: mild trs/srs
group 3: people I want to vote
also, how did "line" turn into "header for a section"?

You are avoiding the real issue, which is that Ghug was in your top 3 scumreads, and Foodcoats was not, and yet, when there was a tie between Foodcoats and your strong scumread Ghug, you voted in a way that saved Ghug and killed Foods.

You are also avoiding the issue, which is, at the risk of repeating myself, that ghug and food were 1 spot away from each other
also, that readlist was posted quite a lot before my vote. Is it so inconceivable that my reads shifted between two players who I had similar reads on in the first place?

They were barely a page apart.

[damo666]

We now have a situation where the 10 post rule becomes a bit silly.

I have circa!00% decided to vote Dip but once I vote I have no incentive to post.

darg (mistakenly?) voted early so he has no more reason to post.

dip has no defence

zzzzzz

[damo666]

2moro

[Jamiet99uk]

We now have a situation where the 10 post rule becomes a bit silly.

I have circa!00% decided to vote Dip but once I vote I have no incentive to post.

darg (mistakenly?) voted early so he has no more reason to post.

dip has no defence

zzzzzz

There are two scum, you know. So, just a thought, but perhaps we can talk about who you think Dip's team mate is.

Is it Ghug?

That would make sense.

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

You are avoiding the real issue, which is that Ghug was in your top 3 scumreads, and Foodcoats was not, and yet, when there was a tie between Foodcoats and your strong scumread Ghug, you voted in a way that saved Ghug and killed Foods.

You are also avoiding the issue, which is, at the risk of repeating myself, that ghug and food were 1 spot away from each other
also, that readlist was posted quite a lot before my vote. Is it so inconceivable that my reads shifted between two players who I had similar reads on in the first place?

They were barely a page apart.

a page and like 90 minutes

[damo666]

We now have a situation where the 10 post rule becomes a bit silly.

I have circa!00% decided to vote Dip but once I vote I have no incentive to post.

darg (mistakenly?) voted early so he has no more reason to post.

dip has no defence

zzzzzz

There are two scum, you know. So, just a thought, but perhaps we can talk about who you think Dip's team mate is.

Is it Ghug?

That would make sense.

If Dip is the vote and flips scum then ghug is kinda auto, yes

[Red Neurax]

Am I missing something? Have I been hallucinating in thinking readlists are normally posted with the top being either town or scum, going down to players read as being on the opposite team?

Yes and you had GHUG in the bottom group, the people you scumread the most. Foodcoats was not in that bottom group, he was in the middle group. AND YET - when it was a tie between Ghug and someone who was less of a suspect for you than Ghug, you somehow decided to vote to save Ghug.

A: I didn't like the ghug wagon because of the bona vote
B: ghug and food were literally right next to each other
C: (this is what ended up tiebreaking, as need I remind you red forced me to make a decision in those last 5 minutes) food had less posts than ghug

What made you change your Mind then