Mafia XL - A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum

[damo666]

This EOD is weird, we have Damo and so many different wagons with 2 votes.

If Demon isn't flying I am willing to vote on Ike. Not sure about Peter, bad play isn't always scum play and I remember him tunneling a lot as town. But I don't want to lynch Durga, still on a null to town read for me.

I don't think any scum was under much threat today... again.

note 'again'

[flash2015]

OK, I am back. If you are going to take me out, it would be good to mislynch me today. If we mislynch someone not me today, it will be too easy to mislynch me tomorrow and lose the game. Anyway, I am doing this at least partially to follow Squigs...and because at the moment I am unsure of the other wagons:

##VOTE rdrivera2005

[flash2015]

Second post for that minimum posting requirement thing.

[Foxcastle]

VOTE COUNT

flash2015 (3) — ghug, Durga, damo666
damo666 (2) — bozotheclown, ND
ghug (2) — bo_sox48, DrCjG
rdrivera2005 (2) — Squigs44, flash2015
Durga (1) — worcej

Not voted: DemonRHK, rdrivera2005

FLASH2015 is set to be thrown to the lions.

7 hours remain in Day 5.

[Foxcastle]

VOTE COUNT

flash2015 (3) — ghug, Durga, damo666
damo666 (2) — bozotheclown, ND
ghug (2) — bo_sox48, DrCjG
rdrivera2005 (2) — Squigs44, flash2015
Durga (1) — worcej

Not voted: DemonRHK, rdrivera2005

FLASH2015 is set to be thrown to the lions.

7 hours remain in Day 5.

##GM NOTE: 6 hours remain in Day 5. Only 6. 6 hours.

[worcej]

TL;DR - Damo is acting like town with his posts, but voting like he is scum. I think his lynch would be able to narrow down a lot of scum with his flip and if he flips town, then we can confirm that we have been the shittiest town group in quite some time... and that the scum have been just sitting back lurking (which also narrows it down)

##vote Damo

Welcome back to the game ND, I liked your post immensely and I also share the same feeling regarding this game - these last minute swings in lynches have been a nightmare this game. There are several people responsible for them on D1, D2, and D4 and at some point they need to be held accountable.

I've been focusing on D1/D2 as well, but as I mentioned above, lets not forget D4 either and include this in the mix. By doing that, and pulling what damo/flash did, you see this:

Damo's final Vote:

Ok we now seem to have Yav v Flash.

Is anybody townreading either of these and why?

I think all three wagons are scum but jic there is a townie there we don't want a mislynch.

So, anybody with strong townlreans please shout.

Also there is a small but >0 chance that scum may have an extra vote from box (sorry Dr) so top wagon must be at least 2 ahead at EOD.

OK I'm going to switch to Ike to even things up and give people an opportunity to make a town case for any of the three. At EOD we need top wagon to be in lead by at least 2.

##vote RagingIke

Thankfully damo did provide some context, but it's a little fishy and requires more look into his reasonings...

Reasonings:
Note: Most of these came earlier in the day from when he voted for Ike the first time, but they seemed pretty weak overall at first.

Vote me, what's your reasoning?

Interesting that the 2 main wagons are on RHK rather than each other.

Yeah, pretty FREAKING interesting isn't it? Almost like you and RHK day 1 and 2

Because you are in my scumpool and your vote for RHK was the trigger for me to swap from Yav. Having 2 wagons should prove more informative than a runaway.
[/quote]More pressure follows from Ike and we get:

POE

So IKE was just in the POE? Why was he in the POE? I couldn't find that information in his posts.

Flash on the other hand, conveniently sheeped Squigs, so there isn't much to be gained from voting history. We was defensive to the ghug/squigs posts. I don't think this is town behavior by itself, but going deeper and trying to say 'who would be connected to flash in any way' past this point, I don't see the threads as easily as others.

More to come later, gotta rush to my morning meeting at work...

[bo_sox48]

This EOD is weird, we have Damo and so many different wagons with 2 votes.

If Demon isn't flying I am willing to vote on Ike. Not sure about Peter, bad play isn't always scum play and I remember him tunneling a lot as town. But I don't want to lynch Durga, still on a null to town read for me.

I don't think any scum was under much threat today... again.

note 'again'

Why should we note 'again'?

[Squigs44]

Won't be back until an hour, maybe two before EoD.

I spent most of this day pushing on different people, seeing reactions, and looking into their isos and vca.

The whole ghug-damo-flash nebula is giving me headaches. I legitimately think ghug is scum and has been pushing or pulling on townies to stir things up and make only town lynches. The one thing I can't tell is if he protected damo or just put up a second town wagon to make D1 and D2 town v town v town. I really want to vote ghug, but I know no one else will lynch him today, so

##vote damo

[flash2015]

OK, continuing to sheep Squigs:

##VOTE damo666

[Foxcastle]

VOTE COUNT

damo666 (5) — bozotheclown, ND, worcej, Squigs44, flash2015
flash2015 (3) — ghug, Durga, damo666
ghug (2) — bo_sox48, DrCjG

Not voted: DemonRHK, rdrivera2005

DAMO666 is set to be thrown to the lions.

Just over 5 hours and 30 minutes remain in Day 5.

[DrCJG]

The time has come...

DemonRHK is indeed scum. ##VOTE Demon

I claim to be a Town PR with knowledge that DemonRHK is lieing, I'd rather not provide additional detail unless a majority do not believe me.

I waited to counterclaim in hopes that my outing would at least provide us with some additional information based on their play. That said, it is certainly WIFOM as they knew 1-2 of us already know they are lieing and that it would eventually come out. Furthermore, I feel that it is important to have the box be in the hands of town at this junction. I believe Balki was unaware that if the box was empty it would not explode if the user uses the list (I think Fox/Brain are doing an incredible job... but that element seems very contrary to the set-up language). That said, he unfortunately passed the box to scum.

[damo666]

Squigs I will sheep you on any of Flash, bozo, bo_sox, rdrivera, ghug, ND, durga.

[damo666]

OK, continuing to sheep Squigs:

##VOTE damo666

lol

[flash2015]

The time has come...

DemonRHK is indeed scum. ##VOTE Demon

I claim to be a Town PR with knowledge that DemonRHK is lieing, I'd rather not provide additional detail unless a majority do not believe me.

I waited to counterclaim in hopes that my outing would at least provide us with some additional information based on their play. That said, it is certainly WIFOM as they knew 1-2 of us already know they are lieing and that it would eventually come out. Furthermore, I feel that it is important to have the box be in the hands of town at this junction. I believe Balki was unaware that if the box was empty it would not explode if the user uses the list (I think Fox/Brain are doing an incredible job... but that element seems very contrary to the set-up language). That said, he unfortunately passed the box to scum.

Why wait until now? Why not do this as soon as night was over?

[Squigs44]

If you are going to cc a specific claim, you should probably be specific yourself. It's more convincing that way.

##vote DrCJG
Until further info

[flash2015]

At least we should be at worst 50-50 for lynching scum tonight now.

[rdrivera2005]

OK, continuing to sheep Squigs:

##VOTE damo666

Come on, this guy can't be town

##vote Flash

[rdrivera2005]

The time has come...

DemonRHK is indeed scum. ##VOTE Demon

I claim to be a Town PR with knowledge that DemonRHK is lieing, I'd rather not provide additional detail unless a majority do not believe me.

I waited to counterclaim in hopes that my outing would at least provide us with some additional information based on their play. That said, it is certainly WIFOM as they knew 1-2 of us already know they are lieing and that it would eventually come out. Furthermore, I feel that it is important to have the box be in the hands of town at this junction. I believe Balki wash unaware that if the box was empty it would not explode if the user uses the list (I think Fox/Brain are doing an incredible job... but that element seems very contrary to the set-up language). That said, he unfortunately passed the box to scum.

Oh shit.##unvote while I try to figure this out.

[flash2015]

OK, continuing to sheep Squigs:

##VOTE damo666

Come on, this guy can't be town

##vote Flash

Why is sheeping a confirmed town scum indicative?

[DrCJG]

If you are going to cc a specific claim, you should probably be specific yourself. It's more convincing that way.

##vote DrCJG
Until further info

I don't think it is in town's best interest for me to be specific. I would rather convince town without providing the scum team with more information.

Why wait until now? Why not do this as soon as night was over?

Multiple reasons... the biggest being that I think town is in trouble and I felt it was important to see how scum play the day before revealing to give us more information... it is also possible I was unsure if he was lieing until he provided his identity and outlined his visits.