Mafia 1033 - The Next Generation [Hidden]

[Red Neurax]

I have further evidence Bona is town.

If Bona were scum and was daykilled then sure as eggs I would be miskilled the next day as we are so linked.

Therefore it would be obvious as scum to bus Bona into his grave.

The fact a Bona wagon is not taking off implies he is not scum.

if he were mafia, he would have been voted off already??? what kind of logic is that

[Vecna]

It IS weird that vecna has no scumreads.
It seemed odd the way he responded to my tell-mention. It was not denial, it was 'what is that tell?? Please tell me!"

##VOTE VECNA

This is my lockdown vote for today.

How are you claiming I have no scumreads? that was a post of mine from 34 hours ago, after which I posted quite a lot. I have no consistent scumreads, that much you might claim.

Regardless, I dont think its weird at all to have no strong scumreads in this game.

Also, I dont understand the point youre trying to make with the tell-mention. I started about it myself, in trying to figure out your alignment.

You have been behaving extremely weird ever since I starting poking into your Bona stances.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

The strangest thing about Bozo is the fact that he consistently and constantly scumreading Red yet somehow never ends nor voted red. I think he’s only done so once

He also works around red being mafia to solve other’s alignments (ie ghug) and then just… doesn’t vote red?

Which is super sus

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

As I intimated yesterday, I am not available much today... work, driving, celebrating. I will try to pop in, but I cannot promise.

Please do not end.

I first thought no-kill was sort of obvious. But I have been convinced otherwise. I would expect scum to be more thought-out on this than I was, so I AM concerned that we are missing some nuance. But I also am now a bot sis of people pushing.

At the very least, no kill avoids the pressure cooker of votes. And that is a loss for town, but a gain for scum.

@vecna. My secret tell on you is something i wish I had never brought up. I DID describe it to you privately, once. So I am sort of surprised you did it. THAT is part of why I omgus'ed, I think. It also is somehting that usually is more better in the earlier days. I had grown less sus of you, and suddently you did the tell. Regarding the logic of your 'case,' it was not illogical. From my pov, it was niggling at something that is NAI. In musing, my mind often wanders faster than my keyboard.

I don't like this state. We are floundering, because scum has been shiny clean.

For now, for openness' sake, since I will be 'absent' until morning coffee tomorow, I am MOST susp of bona, damo, and maybe red. But that doesn't mean i am UNsus of ghug, vecna, and bozo. I am most most most susp of will.

I often begin games assuming everyone is scum. Townreads are harder for me than scumreads. This game, this has come back to bite me.

for now, I will ##VOTE JUST

That said... I am MUSING that the scum team is experienced, gifted, and clever. REALLY experienced, gifted, and clever.

Ill take the compliment

[Vecna]

given this current clusterfuck im really wondering whether no kill isnt the play after all.

were clearly not lined up to kill a scum at this point because whoever is town is not alligned whatsoever.

[Vecna]

The strangest thing about Bozo is the fact that he consistently and constantly scumreading Red yet somehow never ends nor voted red. I think he’s only done so once

He also works around red being mafia to solve other’s alignments (ie ghug) and then just… doesn’t vote red?

Which is super sus

the same applies to red though

[Vecna]

eh he actually was on bona during d2

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

also its good to know that darg normally prides himself in having a hidden tell that reveals my allignment to him.

he's caught me with it twice I think, and he often talks about it.

but now ive suddenly fooled him out of nowhere while having a pretty valid concern in a world of weaksauce, while Ive been playing like my own town self more recently.

im not saying ive convinced myself fully, but in a game where theres hardly anything tangible to go on, id think that a factual person like darg (or BOZO, why the fuck has bozo not responded to this factual disparity) would understand people would be suspicious of his behaviour.

I don't know what disparity you are referring to here.

Does it mean anything that he is ‘locking’ in a vote for you @Vecna?

Because I dont think your scum but unless darg is how can you argue against that?

@Darg how accurate would you say the tell is?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

to further prove my point, bona has just copied damos vote for the last two days

Thats true, but is it possible you see a world where Bona is doing this as scum (with damo being town) in order to pocket damo or just appear to be aligned with him?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

eh he actually was on bona during d2

and damo D3

[Vecna]

I think it makes sense on some level for him to do that.

He doesnt own up to whatever he's being accused of, which actually makes him appear more towny. He also knows I generally think flawed behaviour is more likely towny, so me being suspicious of him for that reason could very well look suspicious to him.

The game also really feels like its being puppeted by some strong scum players. I still dno why that makes him think its me, but some people look on my scum game a lot more favorably than I do myself. He does feel im very hard to read overall.

[Vecna]

@everyone

we ofcourse have no clue how many phasers are left, but since scum is FORCED to kill tonight, we could just activate everything thats left to have a pretty good shot to kill scum with the phasers tonight.

I think this is a much better approach then taking a shot right now.

[Vecna]

And for the love of god dont respond to this in any way that they can read into whether you've already used it or not.

[Vecna]

having a town and a scum flip could really help us in our current predicament. I dont personally feel confident whatsoever in our current voting.

if we daykill and it flips scum, scum could choose to no-kill again.

if we daykill and it flips town, we need a phaserkill or we loose. Meaning we'd all be forced to activate and scum could choose whether or not they want to kill, depending on how they feel about that gamble.

if we take the choice out of their hand, and force them to kill tonight, the odds of killing one of them with the phasers and giving us the much needed piece of information increases quite a lot.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I think it makes sense on some level for him to do that.

He doesnt own up to whatever he's being accused of, which actually makes him appear more towny. He also knows I generally think flawed behaviour is more likely towny, so me being suspicious of him for that reason could very well look suspicious to him.

The game also really feels like its being puppeted by some strong scum players. I still dno why that makes him think its me, but some people look on my scum game a lot more favorably than I do myself. He does feel im very hard to read overall.

I was sort of thinking along the same lines of being controlled by a strong group. Im sure its some team we haven’t thought of or at least someone who isnt in the direct limelight

Who, im not sure. But I’ve never really played a game in which there is nobody obviously scummy/towny in one way which probably means theres a good gamestate for mafia

[Vecna]

for those who missed it; the gm clarified that scum will have to use a nightkill if we no kill now

[Vecna]

im gonna have some dinner and have an internal dialogue to decide whether I actually believe in my own proposal or not.

It seemed like a terrible idea 30 hours ago.

[bozotheclown]

also its good to know that darg normally prides himself in having a hidden tell that reveals my allignment to him.

he's caught me with it twice I think, and he often talks about it.

but now ive suddenly fooled him out of nowhere while having a pretty valid concern in a world of weaksauce, while Ive been playing like my own town self more recently.

im not saying ive convinced myself fully, but in a game where theres hardly anything tangible to go on, id think that a factual person like darg (or BOZO, why the fuck has bozo not responded to this factual disparity) would understand people would be suspicious of his behaviour.

I don't know what disparity you are referring to here.

the one i described in one of my very big walls.

The one where damo did an entire vote analysis of the dip vs bona thing, but forgot his own vote, and claimed he never voted dip (the vote was in decently stark contradiction with his earlier reads throughout the day).

You mean dargorygel, not damo, and I have been following your discussion with him on it, but it did not seem likely to me that dargorygel would deliberately leave out one of his votes from his list. I reread his post, and he listed 26 of the final 27 votes, omitting that one vote. That would be bold to do that deliberately as mafia.

However, I do agree these dargorygel posts are suspicious:

Ive done a bit of a deeper-dive into Darg in his Bona vs DIP devellopments;

Darg, can you explain why you felt Bona started to look better as d2 progressed? Maybe point at some specifics where his behaviour was more town indicative versus where it made you suspicious?

Your sudden change looked strange in a vacuum, since your only other reason for talking about dip earlier was you stating you liked the cases he was producing.

Why dip, particularly? I didn't vote him...

##VOTE DIP

with 5 mins to go

Oh yeah... I did! I don't see it on the bot, interstingly.

I had come on, and saw the fight... and felt the peer pressure, maybe. Honestly, I don't recall what was in my head. So much so that apparently I blocked it from my memory.

It DOES make it look like I might have been protecting bona, though. I get that. As stated eariier, bona had been softening... and dip I guess not so much.

It does seem coincidental to accidentally leave out one vote from a vote list that seems to be copied from the bot, and also not recollect that same vote.

[bozotheclown]

have you had any changes in how you view the game bozo?

I have been looking at everyone, since my town reads are likely not all correct. One of the reasons I was suspecting you is that you were not doing anything to try to influence the votes D1 and D2. That has changed now, although I know you are capable of looking like town as mafia.

[ghug]

On my mind for a wittle wile...

I note with pride that town has not discussed the phaser mech. (this is NOT an invitation to discuss it!!!)

I am, in my present frame of mind, wondering particularly why our more mech minded folk have not been mentioning it.

It either makes me scum read them, or town read them.

I do not wish it discussed, because in the information wars, this is something WE know, that they do not.

But why aren't scummies fishing for it?

I worked really hard to shut it down early and it seems like it worked.