Mafia 1033 - The Next Generation [Hidden]

[ghug]

##vote damo666

I thought you wanted to kill bona?

[dargorygel]

So it's MILO. 5v3

We could no kill and force them to kill someone tonight to bring it to KILO, and I don't think anyone is universally townread, so it'd be useful info regardless. Or we could just kill, and then the numbers would be such that mafia hitting a phaser would buy us another miskill. I think I'm inclined towards the latter.

So... it appears the scumteam is running circles around us. I don't really want to give them what they apparently want.

There are no clear townies, you are right. But we have no clear scum either.

[ghug]

So it's MILO. 5v3

We could no kill and force them to kill someone tonight to bring it to KILO, and I don't think anyone is universally townread, so it'd be useful info regardless. Or we could just kill, and then the numbers would be such that mafia hitting a phaser would buy us another miskill. I think I'm inclined towards the latter.

So... it appears the scumteam is running circles around us. I don't really want to give them what they apparently want.

There are no clear townies, you are right. But we have no clear scum either.

I don't think they necessarily want us to kill or no-kill today, and in any case we should be making our own decisions rather than trying to guess their exact motivations. The specifics of the setup give them reasons to no-kill beyond the usual.

[dargorygel]

So it's MILO. 5v3

We could no kill and force them to kill someone tonight to bring it to KILO, and I don't think anyone is universally townread, so it'd be useful info regardless. Or we could just kill, and then the numbers would be such that mafia hitting a phaser would buy us another miskill. I think I'm inclined towards the latter.

Fair enough
So... it appears the scumteam is running circles around us. I don't really want to give them what they apparently want.

There are no clear townies, you are right. But we have no clear scum either.

I don't think they necessarily want us to kill or no-kill today, and in any case we should be making our own decisions rather than trying to guess their exact motivations. The specifics of the setup give them reasons to no-kill beyond the usual.

[dargorygel]

Ill be away till Monday morning. Townies let's think clearly... scummies please have brain freeze from too much ice cream.

[damo666]

I think no kill is sensible.

Suggest no kill and hammer.

##vote no kill

[ghug]

I think no kill is sensible.

Suggest no kill and hammer.

##vote no kill

You don't think it's worth trying to buy an extra miskill with a phaser?

[Red Neurax]

##vote damo666

I thought you wanted to kill bona?

good with either

[damo666]

I think no kill is sensible.

Suggest no kill and hammer.

##vote no kill

You don't think it's worth trying to buy an extra miskill with a phaser?

No kill is safer isn't it?

[Vecna]

if we kill today, we all gotta pretend really hard to all use our phasers tonight

[Vecna]

if we dont kill, we still just continue dilluting the phaser use and thats exactly what scum wants.

If we kill now, it sort of forces scum to at least kill tonight, or give us an extra dayphase to find scum

[ghug]

I think no kill is sensible.

Suggest no kill and hammer.

##vote no kill

You don't think it's worth trying to buy an extra miskill with a phaser?

No kill is safer isn't it?

It's not safer. The only benefit I see is the info of another death.

[Bonatogether]

i think the main thing here is that the majority people think bona is mafia
hence why we should vote him out

normally it goes the other way - people get voted because a majority of people think they're scum.

[Bonatogether]

Also, its important to note that it REALLY appears no scum was at risk during d3.

If bona is scum, he was there, active, but he didnt swap. He burned his vote on the Will wagon.

He swore he would do everything to protect damo, but HE DID NOT DO SO.

A single last minute vote swing to damo wouldve killed damo.

He stated openly "newb scumteam stocks increasing".

A vote to argent wouldve both voted inline with that thought, and would guarantee to protect damo.

He never made that vote. He didnt actually care if damo lived or died.

I dont think the 2 are connected.

this is ignoring that i posted i didn't think any vote would increase the chance of a good outcome for me. i didn't affirmatively scumread argent, but i did will. if damo was at risk, i would have voted argent, but he wasn't, so i didn't

[Bonatogether]

i'm confused why scum no-killed here - presume it's because any town kill would reveal a lot of information. i think the optimal play is to force them to move first, so ##vote no-kill, because they have to reveal something and they might hit a phaser.

Bonatogether
bozotheclown
damo666
dargorygel
ghug
JustAGuyNamedWill
Red Neurax
Vecna

my reads at this moment are

town:
me and damo

townlean:
bonzo

can't ever read:
gorg
vecna

no idea how to read:
neurax

scumlean:
willnamedperson, dorg

[bozotheclown]

The mafia not performing a NK put us one phaser hit away from gaining a mis-kill, but if we no-kill today, we go back to needing 2 phaser hits to gain a mis-kill. It seems unlikely we will get 2 phaser hits at this point, so I don't think a no-kill is the best option.

[bozotheclown]

I think no kill is sensible.

Suggest no kill and hammer.

##vote no kill

You don't think it's worth trying to buy an extra miskill with a phaser?

No kill is safer isn't it?

It would guarantee we make it to D5, but would minimize the benefit of the first phaser hit.

[bozotheclown]

i'm confused why scum no-killed here - presume it's because any town kill would reveal a lot of information. i think the optimal play is to force them to move first, so ##vote no-kill, because they have to reveal something and they might hit a phaser.

Bonatogether
bozotheclown
damo666
dargorygel
ghug
JustAGuyNamedWill
Red Neurax
Vecna

my reads at this moment are

town:
me and damo

townlean:
bonzo

can't ever read:
gorg
vecna

no idea how to read:
neurax

scumlean:
willnamedperson, dorg

If they hit a phaser N4 it would be 4-2 D5, so our situation would not improve too much, but we could no-kill again in that case.

[Red Neurax]

i think the main thing here is that the majority people think bona is mafia
hence why we should vote him out

normally it goes the other way - people get voted because a majority of people think they're scum.

quite literally what i said

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Rip nobody