Mafia 1033 - The Next Generation [Hidden]

[bozotheclown]

This one two pages earlier?

the top message on the page was a reply of it so that was the first thing i read

This is true. I buy it.

Do you think it was unreasonable to suspect you at that point in time?

Here is where Red Neurax provides his explanation of his DiplomacyandWarfare vote, saying it was because DiplomacyandWarfare's post was more recent, not because DiplomacyandWarfare was being subtle in supporting the foodcoats vote. ghug then accepts this explanation.

[bozotheclown]

Cool, I wanted Will to answer too, but the night's end is approaching and nobody ever listens to me anyway:

I think risky tie votes are more likely to come from town. If Bona's scum, Will and Vecna both just tied themselves to him really really hard. If he's down, scum had no reason to care about the outcome. I'm moving them both to townreads, and I think I'm comfortable putting Red in that category as well.

I scumread bona and damo. Everyone else is null. Y'all need to obvtown better.

Here ghug town reads Red Neurax, saying he is in the same category as Just and Vecna. However, Red Neurax didn't tie himself to Bonatogether by placing a vote that potentially prevented the Bonatogether DK like Just and Vecna, so apparently he was town reading Red Neurax for voting for Bonatogether, despite not knowing Bonatogether's alignment.

[Vecna]

ghug/Red Neurax/Vecna still seems to fit.

this post and prediction is also so extremely scummy though.

How can you go from wanting to scumread Bona, to just now thinking the best team is that setup?

Id really like a nice explenation of that shit.

I don't know what you mean by me wanting to scum read Bonatogether.

Besides you and ghug potentially distancing from each other, you both have been discouraging suspicion of Red Neurax, and Red Neurax has barely mentioned either of you. Your reasons for town reading Red Neurax seem to be based on things that are factually inaccurate.

this is a factually inaccurate reflection of my behaviour surrounding red N. ive never commented on anyone else reading red N whateber way, nor do i care particulalry much.

its a hard to read slot, but i think its town. trying to justify entire scum teamreads based on how people treat that slot is some incredible weaksauce.

[Vecna]

OK, but that post by DiplomacyandWarfare points out that foodcoats was voting for Red Neurax, yet Red Neurax came away from that thinking DiplomacyandWarfare is the one who was suspicious for trying to get him DKed.

the reasoning I read into it was; this guy is approving of this other guy voting me. thats suspicious.

its not made very explicit, but its the thread of thought I think he wants to convey.

@red; is that a fair interpretation?

Red Neurax's answers on this issue never gave any indication that your interpretation was correct. He also never answered your question, and you did not follow up.

he did indirectly answer it, and it was close enough to my interpretstion. it was discussed for quite a bit.

[Vecna]

this guy flips back and forth so much
previously he was saying its me now he says its unlikely to me
additionally, he makes many claims but all of them are paper thin - he has nothing to back it up

ex. saying vecna will bona are a possible trio but then says low possibility without any actual argument

i feel like hes trying to overcompensate

Still quite happy with my red townread.

This is actually quite a spicy take

I assume you were referring to Red Neurax's suspicion of damo, but the only specific thing he mentioned in this post was not accurate.

when i commented that I thought he was actually attacking darg. if its read from randomly commenting and instead attacking damo its a lot less spicy.

[damo666]

Also, its important to note that it REALLY appears no scum was at risk during d3.

If bona is scum, he was there, active, but he didnt swap. He burned his vote on the Will wagon.

He swore he would do everything to protect damo, but HE DID NOT DO SO.

A single last minute vote swing to damo wouldve killed damo.

He stated openly "newb scumteam stocks increasing".

A vote to argent wouldve both voted inline with that thought, and would guarantee to protect damo.

He never made that vote. He didnt actually care if damo lived or died.

I dont think the 2 are connected.

Unless we're both town.

[damo666]

i think the main thing here is that the majority people think bona is mafia
hence why we should vote him out

If that were true it would be self fulfilling.

[ghug]

No what?

No I'm not letting you lead a miskill over me or my townread after you just led a miskill on a nothing lurker.

Day 1: damo is instrumental in killing Rd over bona
Day 2: damo is already tied to bona, might as well vote to save him again.
Day 3: We, led by damo, kill another townie instead of damo or bona.

This isn't rocket science.

but why didnt you want to kill bona to confirm your theory yesterday? Because this all hinges on bona being scum, but you did not vote to confirm that suspicion.

I'd kinda figured I'd push for damo for a while to see what a fresh wagon would look like and then move to bona, but then yesterday was surprisingly busy.

At this point I also think it's more likely I'm wrong about bona, though. The connection feels apparent to me, but damo is independently fully within his scum meta, whereas I've been wrong on bona before.

[dargorygel]

my subconciousness told me it was darg while I was sleeping btw.

The new insight is that he was way too nervous when I started digging into his connection to bona yesterday. He didnt feel excited at all that I started getting involved and digging.

He said it wasnt showing on the bot that he voted for DIP, but it is. He wrote a full on analysis of all votes between dip and bona, but forgot his own.

When confronted he stated he forgot all about his vote, that went against his entire reads leading upto that point. During d3 he kept hopping around up and down between bona and others.

As stated earlier, it can definately be seen as a towny being clueless and searching. Or he's the missing link in all this.

He is the one that was truely set up well to bus bona at every point in the game. He kept the option and the reasoning availlable, but when it really came down to it, he voted DIP while he had stated earlier he liked DIP's cases.

In hindsight - maybe he just hoped we would forget about that, because in a scum mind, that shit is DAMNING. In a black and white world, which our mafia games often are, that shit might just result in a death sentence.

Or maybe he's just flawed town. but my paranoia is at a 100, and my subconcious tells me he bad.

Really?

Dud you want me to jump up and down? My tone changed towards you, because you were finally acting like the vecna I know and love. You mived to town for me.

It's omgus, but I am no longer as sure.

You know how to play me when you are scum. But I think you pulled tge trigger a bit too soon.

[dargorygel]

No I'm not letting you lead a miskill over me or my townread after you just led a miskill on a nothing lurker.

Day 1: damo is instrumental in killing Rd over bona
Day 2: damo is already tied to bona, might as well vote to save him again.
Day 3: We, led by damo, kill another townie instead of damo or bona.

This isn't rocket science.

but why didnt you want to kill bona to confirm your theory yesterday? Because this all hinges on bona being scum, but you did not vote to confirm that suspicion.

I'd kinda figured I'd push for damo for a while to see what a fresh wagon would look like and then move to bona, but then yesterday was surprisingly busy.

At this point I also think it's more likely I'm wrong about bona, though. The connection feels apparent to me, but damo is independently fully within his scum meta, whereas I've been wrong on bona before.

I'm wavering on bona, still.

[dargorygel]

Fwiw... more dead people have voted for bona, vecna, and just.
If I live. I want to compare reads of dead folk. No time today.

[ghug]

Fwiw... more dead people have voted for bona, vecna, and just.
If I live. I want to compare reads of dead folk. No time today.

Dead folk knew less than we do.

[bozotheclown]

this post and prediction is also so extremely scummy though.

How can you go from wanting to scumread Bona, to just now thinking the best team is that setup?

Id really like a nice explenation of that shit.

I don't know what you mean by me wanting to scum read Bonatogether.

Besides you and ghug potentially distancing from each other, you both have been discouraging suspicion of Red Neurax, and Red Neurax has barely mentioned either of you. Your reasons for town reading Red Neurax seem to be based on things that are factually inaccurate.

this is a factually inaccurate reflection of my behaviour surrounding red N. ive never commented on anyone else reading red N whateber way, nor do i care particulalry much.

its a hard to read slot, but i think its town. trying to justify entire scum teamreads based on how people treat that slot is some incredible weaksauce.

damo asked me for my best guess at a scum team, and I answered him. Then I provided the explanation for my best guess that you asked for. I don't know if I am right, but if Red Neurax is mafia, how players interact with him is significant.

[bozotheclown]

the reasoning I read into it was; this guy is approving of this other guy voting me. thats suspicious.

its not made very explicit, but its the thread of thought I think he wants to convey.

@red; is that a fair interpretation?

Red Neurax's answers on this issue never gave any indication that your interpretation was correct. He also never answered your question, and you did not follow up.

he did indirectly answer it, and it was close enough to my interpretstion. it was discussed for quite a bit.

I don't remember anything Red Neurax said that indicated his suspicion of DiplomacyandWarfare D1 was that subtle.

[ghug]

if I die kill kgray

[BunnyGo]

PLEASE HOLD

[BunnyGo]

Captain's Log, Supplemental

Following the incapacitation of Lieutenant Commander Data and the growing tension aboard the Enterprise, I have ordered all non-essential personnel confined to their quarters under the supervision of Mr. Worf. This measure, though drastic, appears to have brought a temporary reprieve from the escalating mistrust and hostility. For the first time in days, there have been no reports of violence or sabotage.

Still, this calm feels fragile, as if we are merely containing the chaos rather than addressing its root cause. Our situation remains dire, and with critical members of the crew compromised, our options grow increasingly limited. While I hope this quiet is a sign of recovery, I cannot shake the feeling that it is the eye of the storm, and greater dangers may yet lie ahead.

I will not relent in my efforts to restore order, but the weight of uncertainty presses heavily upon us all.

Day 4 has begun.

You may now post

[ghug]

Hmm

[Red Neurax]

##vote damo666

[ghug]

So it's MILO. 5v3

We could no kill and force them to kill someone tonight to bring it to KILO, and I don't think anyone is universally townread, so it'd be useful info regardless. Or we could just kill, and then the numbers would be such that mafia hitting a phaser would buy us another miskill. I think I'm inclined towards the latter.