Mafia 1033 - The Next Generation [Hidden]

[dargorygel]

Is that what we're doing?

I mean, the game has kinda screeched to a halt to I agree with the clown on this one

I don't get the sense that it's about argent, though, and I don't see why we'd let him dictate the whole day by not being here.

Hi ghug...
I am starting over with you, too. If this pause has not happened because folk are waiting for argent (and I agree with you) than what do you think it is?

[dargorygel]

Time for class....
##unvote

[dargorygel]

Ive done a bit of a deeper-dive into Darg in his Bona vs DIP devellopments;

Darg, can you explain why you felt Bona started to look better as d2 progressed? Maybe point at some specifics where his behaviour was more town indicative versus where it made you suspicious?

Your sudden change looked strange in a vacuum, since your only other reason for talking about dip earlier was you stating you liked the cases he was producing.

Why dip, particularly? I didn't vote him...

[Vecna]

##VOTE DIP

with 5 mins to go

[dargorygel]

##VOTE DIP

with 5 mins to go

Oh yeah... I did! I don't see it on the bot, interstingly.

I had come on, and saw the fight... and felt the peer pressure, maybe. Honestly, I don't recall what was in my head. So much so that apparently I blocked it from my memory.

It DOES make it look like I might have been protecting bona, though. I get that. As stated eariier, bona had been softening... and dip I guess not so much.

[Vecna]

this works in your favour I think lol

[dargorygel]

So are you voting for argent because of silence? I find his lack of responding when he IS here maybe worth voting... but any idea on scum? What do you think of just?

I think i will look at the dead folk...

[bozotheclown]

Is that what we're doing?

I mean, the game has kinda screeched to a halt to I agree with the clown on this one

I don't get the sense that it's about argent, though, and I don't see why we'd let him dictate the whole day by not being here.

I voted for argent hoping we would get more information from him, but his continued inactivity makes me think he either has abandoned the game or is using the Kakarroto strategy. Considering he has not posted in 3 real time days and has not been replaced yet makes me concerned, so I think we need to resolve his alignment today rather than let him get through by being away.

[bozotheclown]

argent is not giving us much to go on, and he ended D1 and D2 keeping his vote on what seemed to be joke votes, so he has not provided any meaningful voting history.

I am still not sure about Red Neurax, he never answered all of my questions about his D1 vote justification, but reviewing his posts, he changed his read on DiplomacyandWarfare D2 in a way that seemed unnecessary for a mafia when DiplomacyandWarfare was still under suspicion (knowing that DiplomacyandWarfare was town).

ghug and Vecna have been interacting is a way that could be distancing, and I think they are reasonable scum candidates based on POE. I also don't like how Vecna has been polling players about me, I get the feeling he was trying to find out if he could get a wagon going on me.

Thats because I was polling players to find out if I could get a wagon going on you. Do you feel that is scummy behaviour?

Also, do you think Ghug would actually try to get a wagon going on me while im AFK on day1 while were scum partners?

This feels like youre looking for reasons to scumread me without actually coming to the conclusion I might be scum naturally.

It could be scum indicative to try to find out first instead of just voting for me.

ghug voted for you D1 when there were 4 other wagons, that seems like a safe distancing vote, and the kind of vote I have seen ghug make many times as mafia. Even though you ended up picking up 2 more votes, ghug could have moved off of your wagon if necessary, and he did right after Jamie moved his vote off of you, which took you out of contention for the DK. That is the point of distance voting, to make it look like he was OK with DKing you.

[bozotheclown]

I understand you, at least... thanks, damo.

this guy flips back and forth so much
previously he was saying its me now he says its unlikely to me
additionally, he makes many claims but all of them are paper thin - he has nothing to back it up

ex. saying vecna will bona are a possible trio but then says low possibility without any actual argument

i feel like hes trying to overcompensate

Still quite happy with my red townread.

This is actually quite a spicy take

Except that damo explained quite clearly why he excluded you, Just, and Bonatogether as a combination.

[bozotheclown]

as an additional note; please take note how the above analysis is different from Bozo.

Looking at whats possible versus what is likely. Draw your own conclusions and tell me what you think.

When I said that you and ghug were good scum candidates based on POE, the implication was that I think Bonatogether, damo, dargorygel, and Just were more likely to be town. I don't know what you think is so different than what you stated before this post.

[damo666]

I think it's 3 from {arg, red, Will, ghug}

[bozotheclown]

had to actually look this one up. For some reason the only thing I felt like digging into in this game so far because im intrigued by our new buddy.

It sort of checks out in a very weak way.




this does not smell like scum reasoning to me. odd as it might be.

OK, but that post by DiplomacyandWarfare points out that foodcoats was voting for Red Neurax, yet Red Neurax came away from that thinking DiplomacyandWarfare is the one who was suspicious for trying to get him DKed.

the reasoning I read into it was; this guy is approving of this other guy voting me. thats suspicious.

its not made very explicit, but its the thread of thought I think he wants to convey.

@red; is that a fair interpretation?

I thought this post was suspicious, Vecna was interpreting what Red Neurax said about his vote for DiplomacyandWarfare in a way that contradicted what Red Neurax had stated himself as a basis for town reading Red Neurax.

[jamesweb]

The phaser mechanic adds a cool twist. Enterprise-themed flavor text is a nice touch.

[BunnyGo]

The phaser mechanic adds a cool twist. Enterprise-themed flavor text is a nice touch.

Captain's Log StarDate 54022.2:

Q briefly appeared on the bridge and I let him know in no uncertain terms that he was not welcome here; especially not while we're dealing with other critical business.

He left, and I doubt we'll hear from him again any time soon.


To be clear James: You're more than welcome to join a future game, but this is a closed and running game. Please do not post in this thread again.

If you'd like to join me and others in the God Thread on Discord to discuss, I'm happy to give you access (just send me a PM via the webdip messaging system).

[ghug]

A bona/darg/damo scumteam fits very well, but it fits too well.

Also it does match their behaviour; How darg thread around Bona is very easily explained by keeping all bussing options availlable, backpeddling last second while its a serious contender, and instantly switching back to scumreading them N2 and D3. HOWEVER, the inconsistency, constant flipping back and forth, is not a way I would expect scum to be able to play it out. It feels too genuine. So either Darg is scum, with Bona being town, or Darg is actually town trying to figure out wtf is going on.

Damo is on the complete other side of the spectrum; Full on certainty and convictions. We've seen this before from Damo. It cannot be ruled out he does this as scum, but its such a balls to the wall approach that I cannot help but find it unfeasable.

Its very understandable that RED sees it as scummy, and wants to see the pairing there.

I choose for now, because of a lack of better stuff to go on, to find everything in the above analyzed players behaviour to be MUCH MORE LIKELY to come from town.

Its quite possible im wrong in it somewhere in the assumptions made, but I dont think im wrong on most of it.

Are you concluding that they can't be scum together or that none of them are scum at all?

[ghug]

I mean, the game has kinda screeched to a halt to I agree with the clown on this one

I don't get the sense that it's about argent, though, and I don't see why we'd let him dictate the whole day by not being here.

Hi ghug...
I am starting over with you, too. If this pause has not happened because folk are waiting for argent (and I agree with you) than what do you think it is?

I know for me personally I'm one part RL busy and one part struggling to get a good sense of the game, which is demotivating me.

Argent seems like such a copout kill from a group that can't make a real decision to me.

[Vecna]

argent is not giving us much to go on, and he ended D1 and D2 keeping his vote on what seemed to be joke votes, so he has not provided any meaningful voting history.

I am still not sure about Red Neurax, he never answered all of my questions about his D1 vote justification, but reviewing his posts, he changed his read on DiplomacyandWarfare D2 in a way that seemed unnecessary for a mafia when DiplomacyandWarfare was still under suspicion (knowing that DiplomacyandWarfare was town).

ghug and Vecna have been interacting is a way that could be distancing, and I think they are reasonable scum candidates based on POE. I also don't like how Vecna has been polling players about me, I get the feeling he was trying to find out if he could get a wagon going on me.

Thats because I was polling players to find out if I could get a wagon going on you. Do you feel that is scummy behaviour?

Also, do you think Ghug would actually try to get a wagon going on me while im AFK on day1 while were scum partners?

This feels like youre looking for reasons to scumread me without actually coming to the conclusion I might be scum naturally.

It could be scum indicative to try to find out first instead of just voting for me.

ghug voted for you D1 when there were 4 other wagons, that seems like a safe distancing vote, and the kind of vote I have seen ghug make many times as mafia. Even though you ended up picking up 2 more votes, ghug could have moved off of your wagon if necessary, and he did right after Jamie moved his vote off of you, which took you out of contention for the DK. That is the point of distance voting, to make it look like he was OK with DKing you.

this applies to nearly any vote.

[dargorygel]

I don't get the sense that it's about argent, though, and I don't see why we'd let him dictate the whole day by not being here.

Hi ghug...
I am starting over with you, too. If this pause has not happened because folk are waiting for argent (and I agree with you) than what do you think it is?

I know for me personally I'm one part RL busy and one part struggling to get a good sense of the game, which is demotivating me.

Argent seems like such a copout kill from a group that can't make a real decision to me.

I've felt that way and commented on it, too.

What is your read of will?

[Vecna]

A bona/darg/damo scumteam fits very well, but it fits too well.

Also it does match their behaviour; How darg thread around Bona is very easily explained by keeping all bussing options availlable, backpeddling last second while its a serious contender, and instantly switching back to scumreading them N2 and D3. HOWEVER, the inconsistency, constant flipping back and forth, is not a way I would expect scum to be able to play it out. It feels too genuine. So either Darg is scum, with Bona being town, or Darg is actually town trying to figure out wtf is going on.

Damo is on the complete other side of the spectrum; Full on certainty and convictions. We've seen this before from Damo. It cannot be ruled out he does this as scum, but its such a balls to the wall approach that I cannot help but find it unfeasable.

Its very understandable that RED sees it as scummy, and wants to see the pairing there.

I choose for now, because of a lack of better stuff to go on, to find everything in the above analyzed players behaviour to be MUCH MORE LIKELY to come from town.

Its quite possible im wrong in it somewhere in the assumptions made, but I dont think im wrong on most of it.

Are you concluding that they can't be scum together or that none of them are scum at all?

im fairly sure darg and damo are town. no clue about bona, although i still feel noone really cared about saving him for nefarious reasons.