Mafia XL - A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum

[damo666]

Don't follow. Why a false read?

My point is observer will observe doctor.

So if rhk is doc, he will be observed and confirmed.
If rhk is observer, then we won't have an observer going to Squigs and not seeing rhk.

If they use the driver on you, both PR's end up on someone else and observer can still see who doc is.

Either way observer can confirm whether rhk is pr or not.

Oh, had to think about this for a second. I think I get it now.

Squigs, you taking the piss? I say 'a couple of hours' and you say 'a second'.

[Durga]

Driver is so much more powerful late game. Using driver N1 or N2 when you risk observer seeing you is probably not optimal scum play. I think they held it N1 when killing Tom. The Xorxes kill was probably driven, and maybe the Vecna one. I think they have at least one left, which they most certainly will use tonight if it is DemonRHK as driver.

Naw, no reason to suspect Tom Bomb wasn't a driver kill either. Especially if rhk was a wagon and had a bunch of pressure. Then he's probably been driving and doing the killings.

What do you think about rhk claiming his specific role?

[Durga]

Also who even cares if driver has another go. If you're gonna die, you're gonna die. Observer and doc will still get driven onto the same person. They can still confirm each other, right? How does this work?

[Durga]

If observer is driven onto someone else... I need to check the order

[Durga]

##all gm - if observer observes someone who the driver then drives, what does the observer see

[Balki Bartokomous]

##all gm - if observer observes someone who the driver then drives, what does the observer see

I think it's like this:

If observer checks out PERSON A
And Driver Drives (PERSON A, PERSON B)
Observer would see (everyone who visited PERSON B, everyone who PERSON B visited, and the driver would be included in everyone who visited PERSON B). In this scenario, Observer would not know for sure that they were seeing visits to and from PERSON A or PERSON B.

[Balki Bartokomous]

##all gm - if observer observes someone who the driver then drives, what does the observer see

I think it's like this:

If observer checks out PERSON A
And Driver Drives (PERSON A, PERSON B)
Observer would see (everyone who visited PERSON B, everyone who PERSON B visited, and the driver would be included in everyone who visited PERSON B). In this scenario, Observer would not know for sure that they were seeing visits to and from PERSON A or PERSON B.

##CALL GM -- is that right?

[Durga]

Just know that if you've truly outed a PR because of your stupid obsession over his one null post I will make sure you flip next Balkins

[DemonRHK]

I will not reveal tonight. If I die you’ll see it on flip, if I live to tomorrow, I’ll explain more.

I’m leaving the wifom strong for mafia. Am I a doc with a selfsave? Am I the obs with faith in my doc?

Come find out you fucks.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Just know that if you've truly outed a PR because of your stupid obsession over his one null post I will make sure you flip next Balkins

Solid logic here. I am concerned the exact appropriate amount.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I will not reveal tonight. If I die you’ll see it on flip, if I live to tomorrow, I’ll explain more.

I’m leaving the wifom strong for mafia. Am I a doc with a selfsave? Am I the obs with faith in my doc?

Come find out you fucks.

Impressive. I have a feeling you'll find a way to survive the night kill.

[Foxcastle]

##all gm - if observer observes someone who the driver then drives, what does the observer see

I think it's like this:

If observer checks out PERSON A
And Driver Drives (PERSON A, PERSON B)
Observer would see (everyone who visited PERSON B, everyone who PERSON B visited, and the driver would be included in everyone who visited PERSON B). In this scenario, Observer would not know for sure that they were seeing visits to and from PERSON A or PERSON B.

##CALL GM -- is that right?

Observer would be informed that they observed Person B, and would see all visits to and by Player B, including the driver.

[damo666]

If the person with the box takes an item can they use it the same night or not until the following night.

[Squigs44]

I think RHK should claim his role just before EoN

[Squigs44]

If the person with the box takes an item can they use it the same night or not until the following night.

You get the item EoN

[bozotheclown]

Observer should definitely be on DemonRHK tonight. If Observer dies, either we'll have a Doc CC or we won't. If Observer survives the night, then he'll either be able to out DemonRHK as scum, or he won't come forward.

I think this works, and if DemonRHK is a real PR, our other PR will not be revealed, whether DemonRHK survives or not. Also, if DemonRHK is a real PR and survives, his role would not be revealed, so if this is going to be the plan it would be better for him not to claim his role.

[bozotheclown]

But then the observer will observe the doctor visiting, which would lead to a false read. If mafia wants me dead, the doctor can't stop that from happening.

Don't follow. Why a false read?

My point is observer will observe doctor.

So if rhk is doc, he will be observed and confirmed.
If rhk is observer, then we won't have an observer going to Squigs and not seeing rhk.

If they use the driver on you, both PR's end up on someone else and observer can still see who doc is.

Either way observer can confirm whether rhk is pr or not.

I think this works also, but I do not see any benefit over Balki's plan of having the observer just observe DemonRHK. Also, with Balki's plan the doctor is free to do what he wants.

[bozotheclown]

Ignore demon rhk. Just go visit Squigs.

Who are you talking to here?

[Durga]

Don't follow. Why a false read?

My point is observer will observe doctor.

So if rhk is doc, he will be observed and confirmed.
If rhk is observer, then we won't have an observer going to Squigs and not seeing rhk.

If they use the driver on you, both PR's end up on someone else and observer can still see who doc is.

Either way observer can confirm whether rhk is pr or not.

I think this works also, but I do not see any benefit over Balki's plan of having the observer just observe DemonRHK. Also, with Balki's plan the doctor is free to do what he wants.

Problem is if driver is in use you don't really know what's going on right?

[Durga]

If rhk and doc visit Squigs and observer sees that and Squigs is obv alive then rhk gets cleared for a while.