Mafia 1033 - The Next Generation [Hidden]

[Jamiet99uk]

Are you confusing Will with Vecna?

There appeared to be a lot of actual vote total confusion? Was the bot mis-behaving?

I think the cause of the confusion was Vecna voting for DiplomacyandWarfare in a way the bot did not recognize, making it unclear if it would be counted. Based on the EOD GM messages, it is still unclear if it would have counted.

##CALL GM

Will you clarify if Vecna's D&W vote was a valid vote for the purposes of GM adjudication?

[damo666]

There appeared to be a lot of actual vote total confusion? Was the bot mis-behaving?

I think the cause of the confusion was Vecna voting for DiplomacyandWarfare in a way the bot did not recognize, making it unclear if it would be counted. Based on the EOD GM messages, it is still unclear if it would have counted.

##CALL GM

Will you clarify if Vecna's D&W vote was a valid vote for the purposes of GM adjudication?

Irrelevant. Vecna clearly intended to vote Dippy and as you have already said should be considered a vote for analysis purposes.

[BunnyGo]

There appeared to be a lot of actual vote total confusion? Was the bot mis-behaving?

I think the cause of the confusion was Vecna voting for DiplomacyandWarfare in a way the bot did not recognize, making it unclear if it would be counted. Based on the EOD GM messages, it is still unclear if it would have counted.

##CALL GM

Will you clarify if Vecna's D&W vote was a valid vote for the purposes of GM adjudication?

Captain's Log Star Date 54021.8:

There was a lot of confusion over an archaic symbol found in a note discovered in a corridor. Our computer had trouble recognizing it until asked to search its database. But once asked the intent was clear, and message clearly understood.


(In plain English: Had anyone asked, or had it been necessary for the game at EOD for me to announce a decision, I'd have counted it as a vote for D&W.)

[Jamiet99uk]

I think the cause of the confusion was Vecna voting for DiplomacyandWarfare in a way the bot did not recognize, making it unclear if it would be counted. Based on the EOD GM messages, it is still unclear if it would have counted.

##CALL GM

Will you clarify if Vecna's D&W vote was a valid vote for the purposes of GM adjudication?

Irrelevant. Vecna clearly intended to vote Dippy and as you have already said should be considered a vote for analysis purposes.

I know that. I just didn't like the air of doubt that Bozo was sowing.

[Jamiet99uk]

I think the cause of the confusion was Vecna voting for DiplomacyandWarfare in a way the bot did not recognize, making it unclear if it would be counted. Based on the EOD GM messages, it is still unclear if it would have counted.

##CALL GM

Will you clarify if Vecna's D&W vote was a valid vote for the purposes of GM adjudication?

Captain's Log Star Date 54021.8:

There was a lot of confusion over an archaic symbol found in a note discovered in a corridor. Our computer had trouble recognizing it until asked to search its database. But once asked the intent was clear, and message clearly understood.


(In plain English: Had anyone asked, or had it been necessary for the game at EOD for me to announce a decision, I'd have counted it as a vote for D&W.)

Thank you, Captain Picard.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

you had a vote that wasn't counted. it was super close timing - you couldn't have known exactly, but surely you had strong reason to believe you were likely to tie it

No, i was on Dip’s wagon. It was 5-4 Dip

Thus when I tried to swing my vote back onto you last second it would have flipped from 5-4 Dip-Bona to 4-5 Dip-Bona

thanks for the facts but next time replies usually engage with the substance

Again, my uncounted vote would not have tied it no matter if it was counted or not

[bozotheclown]

the only players to have not voted for me yet are bozo, jamie, and vecna. everyone else has voted for me at least once

#bonaforprez

Now only Jamie and Vecna haven't, but I doubt the scum team is Bonatogether/Jamie/Vecna. However, if Bonatogether is mafia, one of his partners could be defending him. If Bonatogether is town, it could be anyone. Neon would say the mafia team consists of a DiplomacyandWarfare voter, Red Neurax or ghug, and argent.

How do you know Princess Neon's opinion, and why do you think it is relevant?

There was a game where she subbed in and made her mafia conclusions based entirely on wagon distributions with the idea that the mafia would almost always be spread out on the wagons. I argued against her conclusions, but in that case she was more accurate than I was with her reads. I don't think the mafia will always do this, but I do think there is a tendency to do it.

[bozotheclown]

##CALL GM

Will you clarify if Vecna's D&W vote was a valid vote for the purposes of GM adjudication?

Irrelevant. Vecna clearly intended to vote Dippy and as you have already said should be considered a vote for analysis purposes.

I know that. I just didn't like the air of doubt that Bozo was sowing.

I thought the vote was clear, but the bot not registering it would throw off anyone looking only at the bot count, and the GM final vote count made it unclear if it would have been counted.

[Jamiet99uk]

Irrelevant. Vecna clearly intended to vote Dippy and as you have already said should be considered a vote for analysis purposes.

I know that. I just didn't like the air of doubt that Bozo was sowing.

I thought the vote was clear, but the bot not registering it would throw off anyone looking only at the bot count, and the GM final vote count made it unclear if it would have been counted.

So now we have cleared the matter up.

[Jamiet99uk]

I have wasted two days being wrong about D&W.

@Bona: You said D&W would be an informative flip. What do you think we have learned, other than his alignment?

[damo666]

Done some vca and derived the following probabilities of being scum (by my own undisclosed method)

darg 50%
ghug 50%
Will 46%
arg 38%
Jamie 32%
Vecna 29%
bozo 26%
red 26%
Bona 3%

I'll take a stab at {darg, ghug, Will}

[Jamiet99uk]

Done some vca and derived the following probabilities of being scum (by my own undisclosed method)

darg 50%
ghug 50%
Will 46%
arg 38%
Jamie 32%
Vecna 29%
bozo 26%
red 26%
Bona 3%

I'll take a stab at {darg, ghug, Will}

So methodology.
Very system.
Such finding.

[ghug]

No, i was on Dip’s wagon. It was 5-4 Dip

Thus when I tried to swing my vote back onto you last second it would have flipped from 5-4 Dip-Bona to 4-5 Dip-Bona

thanks for the facts but next time replies usually engage with the substance

Again, my uncounted vote would not have tied it no matter if it was counted or not

There's no way you saw mine first, so it would have if I hadn't also voted and Vecna's had counted. Why did you cast it?

[dargorygel]

ghug is 100% scum here

Coukd you explain this?

[ghug]

Done some vca and derived the following probabilities of being scum (by my own undisclosed method)

darg 50%
ghug 50%
Will 46%
arg 38%
Jamie 32%
Vecna 29%
bozo 26%
red 26%
Bona 3%

I'll take a stab at {darg, ghug, Will}

Care to explain any of this?

[dargorygel]

Done some vca and derived the following probabilities of being scum (by my own undisclosed method)

darg 50%
ghug 50%
Will 46%
arg 38%
Jamie 32%
Vecna 29%
bozo 26%
red 26%
Bona 3%

I'll take a stab at {darg, ghug, Will}

Care to explain any of this?

His secret decoder ring

[Bonatogether]

No, i was on Dip’s wagon. It was 5-4 Dip

Thus when I tried to swing my vote back onto you last second it would have flipped from 5-4 Dip-Bona to 4-5 Dip-Bona

thanks for the facts but next time replies usually engage with the substance

Again, my uncounted vote would not have tied it no matter if it was counted or not

as it happened, yes, but you could not have known that for sure

[Bonatogether]

I have wasted two days being wrong about D&W.

@Bona: You said D&W would be an informative flip. What do you think we have learned, other than his alignment?

i don't remember saying that

[Bonatogether]

Done some vca and derived the following probabilities of being scum (by my own undisclosed method)

darg 50%
ghug 50%
Will 46%
arg 38%
Jamie 32%
Vecna 29%
bozo 26%
red 26%
Bona 3%

I'll take a stab at {darg, ghug, Will}

so true!

[Vecna]

did people already prod into jamiet why he was so gunhoe for getting the specific outcome he wanted?

Also, darg, ghug tried to kill me early game while I was absent. it was naughty and uncharacteristic. The reason he cited was also bullshit (claiming I had a townread on nearly the entire game, while in practise I had said I had decent feelings about 5 people, but that it wasnt strong at all).