Mafia 1033 - The Next Generation [Hidden]

[dargorygel]

Why did you take so long to answer me?

[Red Neurax]

i was doing some work that had to be done before monday

[damo666]

Damo, why did you switch to rd?

I thought rdr a greater chance of being scum than Bona and Dip was in a position to move to Bona.

Also you expressing surprise at the Dip wagon worried me.

@ghug see above

[ghug]

Damo, why did you switch to rd?

I thought rdr a greater chance of being scum than Bona and Dip was in a position to move to Bona.

Also you expressing surprise at the Dip wagon worried me.

@ghug see above

Worried you because you trust my reads?

[Bonatogether]

Deep dive on damo:

Damo posted slightly above average, but had w/post above only that of the newbie. Damo's posts are low-quality and encourage people to spend time discussing dumb stuff with him, such as this:

how did you reach this number

I interpreted 'arbitrarily' as 50/50 (fairly obviously).

Which is a completely absurd assumption that encourages bona to continue the conversation.

Damo's vote progression was:
no-kill>unvote>dargorygel>jamie>rdr>ghug>me>rdr

none of which were actually fully explained/logical, ranging from "clearly, voting no-kill in this setup will lead to us winning" to "I think the scum team is these three people for no reason"(then claims to not remember the reason) to "ghug doing this is town but rdr doing it is obviously scum".

And then there's damo's EoD, which contains a lot of scummy stuff. For example, the above quote, in which damo discusses phaser tactics an hour before EoD. Then there's posts like this:

Dip is caught scum and Jamie is attempting distraction tactics.

As I said at the time, this looks very much like damo is trying to get jamiet to vote me (to prove this argument false), to cover for bona. Especially so given bona then +1'ed it.

Also note that damo seems to try to start new wagons/stir the pot every time that bona is a popular wagon.

"Well maybe damo townreads bona"
damo said literally nothing about bona except the time he claimed to solve with bona in that group. Oh, and that time bona and damo had a nice little conversation about night mech during EoD.

Conclusion: Probably scum
Most likely partners: Bona, Jamiet

this is a case which has an implicit and elided assumption that i'm scum, but you use the argument to then say at the end that if damo is scum, i am as well

[Bonatogether]

this might sound rich coming from me but i don't understand any player who started playing here in the recent past (sweet, will, dip) and a lot of their posts are annoying to me

[Bonatogether]

##vote will

Had you seen damo's vote for rdrivera when you placed this vote?

don't remember, wanted to make a will flashwagon because i observed the vote a post earlier

[Bonatogether]

A rapid reread of food would suggest there may well be lurker(s) in the scumteam.

What a wonderful way to try to deflect suspicion off yourself.

i didn't know this was a shakespeare production

[Bonatogether]

##vote dip

im pretty busy tomorrow but might be online to make some longform posts

[ghug]

this might sound rich coming from me but i don't understand any player who started playing here in the recent past (sweet, will, dip) and a lot of their posts are annoying to me

His transition to conservatism is complete.

[damo666]

I thought rdr a greater chance of being scum than Bona and Dip was in a position to move to Bona.

Also you expressing surprise at the Dip wagon worried me.

@ghug see above

Worried you because you trust my reads?

I can be influenced.

[damo666]

I think I prefer Dip to Bona

##vote Dip

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

I think I prefer Dip to Bona

##vote Dip

So glad to see you stop bussing your teammate

[Jamiet99uk]

##Vote DiplomacyandWarfare

Why did you vote for DiplomacyandWarfare when you were already voting for him?

To create momentum and to try to make his wagon look like it was gaining votes, therefore egging on others into joining. A little psychology, you know?

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

Will starting the rdr bandwagon makes me think they're scum

##vote will

Guess who actually brought the rdr wagon to 4 votes (making it the biggest wagon)?
damo
As I have said before, damo tried to start wagons on dargorygel and jamiet... while bona was a top wagon. He switched to voting rdr (at 2:08 to EoD, not at the end) to tie off of bona. When bona was tied later, he brought the ghug wagon to 3 votes to take votes off of bona. Then after the ghug wagon failed, he voted me to add someone else to the tie.
Wait, actually, that one's interesting. Damo didn't vote for Red, which would have made red a leading wagon.
Anyways, the Vecna wagon was doing badly and unlikely to ever have more than 3 votes, and the tied wagon was bona, so damo switched to rdr... which caused a bandwagon.

When will voted, there was 1 other vote on rdr. That makes that wagon tied for 3rd place after will's vote. How exactly did they start the rdr wagon?

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

##Vote DiplomacyandWarfare

Why did you vote for DiplomacyandWarfare when you were already voting for him?

To create momentum and to try to make his wagon look like it was gaining votes, therefore egging on others into joining. A little psychology, you know?

I have seen this behavior before on other sites and experience shows it is incredibly anti-town. Hiding info (what wagons are getting votes) doesn't help town as a whole. The only potential benefit is supporting your own wagon.

[Jamiet99uk]

A rapid reread of food would suggest there may well be lurker(s) in the scumteam.

What a wonderful way to try to deflect suspicion off yourself.

i didn't know this was a shakespeare production

Anyone who uses capital letters and full stops looks like Shakespeare compared to the way you write, Bonio.

[Jamiet99uk]

##vote dip

im pretty busy tomorrow but might be online to make some longform posts

But I do like this vote; verily, yea I do.

Red Neurax made a bit of an appearance so let's do today what we should have done yesterday, and get D&W's bread, or whatever Chaqa would say.

##Vote Diplomatic Incident

[Red Neurax]

what is the main reasoning for voting diplomacyandwarfare?
just curious

[Jamiet99uk]

what is the main reasoning for voting diplomacyandwarfare?
just curious

My initial suspicion was that his whole Doctor Who thing was a bit fake, but now my feelings come down to the EoD wagonomics I posted earlier (which you acknowledged). It looks to me like several people were desperate to motivate other wagons at EoD when D&W was a serious contender to be chopped.