Mafia 91 - Battle for the Sunset Strip - GAME THREAD [Hidden]

[worcej]

I remember you from the Olympics, and likewise, don’t remember much about you. You’re standing out this game, which is I guess isn’t that newsworthy. Still, nice to meet you.

Man I didn't do fuck all D1 or N1, so if I'm standing out now then I think this is a compliment? lol

[Yoyoyozo]

I remember you from the Olympics, and likewise, don’t remember much about you. You’re standing out this game, which is I guess isn’t that newsworthy. Still, nice to meet you.

Man I didn't do fuck all D1 or N1, so if I'm standing out now then I think this is a compliment? lol

[brainbomb]

Man worcej this is some fire. I feel sincere curiousity and angst coming from this

[worcej]

Man worcej this is some fire. I feel sincere curiousity and angst coming from this

Is this game state really that dead that me getting back from a business trip is revitalizing it?

[BunnyGo]

Again, I don't feel like pocketing is a move damo does as scum.

I don’t think this rises to “pocketing”. This is just acting. Stating a read with no real great reason. Having caught up everything and distilled to these reads instantly?

I guess I gotta ask why do you now care that damo doesn't provide reasoning for his reads?

I don’t.

I’m saying that’s not buddying. That’s a first post.

[worcej]

I don’t think this rises to “pocketing”. This is just acting. Stating a read with no real great reason. Having caught up everything and distilled to these reads instantly?

I guess I gotta ask why do you now care that damo doesn't provide reasoning for his reads?

I don’t.

I’m saying that’s not buddying. That’s a first post.

I guess I should say that the cases people are making for damo don't make sense to me so far as any alignment in particular.

[Yoyoyozo]

That’s a very niche Naruto joke from someone who never watched it. I hope you get the reference though

[brainbomb]

Well do we think that was a genuine townslip from yoyo or fake?

I'm a tad surprised he survived the night which indicates he might have chosen rose N1 which is probably town indicative which in turn would mean D1 was TvT. Gonna have a look at day 1 votes with that assumption and see what I can conclude.

Surprised damo didnt look at the day one voting and find bunny or glitter most suspicious.

Why would me spirit and ghug be most suspect? Is the will wagon really that crystal clean for you damo?

[worcej]

That’s a very niche Naruto joke from someone who never watched it. I hope you get the reference though

I did immediately.

[ghug]

While were on the subject of role playing which of wills actions condemned him
In your mind

Him buddying someone
Him saying the setup could be mechanically broken
Or him posting his weird thing about sparing me for the night deaths

@bunny
How does answering these questions harm town

Because I’m going to tell you again what a horrible person you are.

You THINK this is a scum bit by me. So you double down. Because otherwise it means you’re a horrible person. In fact, it’s making it impossible for you to reconsider.

So when the game is over, or I flip before then…remember this.

This kind of reads townie to me.

[ghug]

but then again, I am reminded that Damo did some weird thing to justify his vote on Ghug that involved wagon composition, while Ghug literally always last-second swaps to the winning wagon.

Oh my goodness nobody has ever acknowledged this before.

[brainbomb]

There is a simple adage that the people trying are usually town and the people who are not trying are not town.

And in order to find mafia you have to figure out who is really trying to
Put their thoughts out and who isnt.

Who is really trying to solve a game and who is trying to just do enough to stay alive.

In that I think the mafia whoever you are have done a very decent job of rising to above the bar at trying to seem to be playing the game. Because I could
Make an argument for each of you about why youve done that.

But if im grading effort; not the actual quality of the effort but volume and consistent effort then I think it gets alot harder.

While glitter has not been as active as most she has not failed to present her opinions. That said are her scumreads very intentional and well explained or are they just for a lack of not knowing what else to do. I think her pushes seem intentional but with half hearted intent. Maybe unsure of what actually sounds like the right thing to say. And yet this is how she played in her other two games where she was toying with ideas and feeling things out. She is doing just enough to keep playing and keep trying and worcej makes sense for thinking this is scummy.
Null


For doing what they usually do, trying hard. Showing effort. Being present. Producing content and ideas. Yea bunny is here but he also
Isnt asking questions and instead of challenging people
He is mostly just shooting peoples ideas down which implies having a cheat sheet. When I posited maybe balki was scared of my post that worcej shot down and balki wanted it silenced; bunny has a short and curt answer that balki is just trying to answer honestly. But how do we assume this? Why do
We assume this? What is the motivation for Balki to agree with town worcej on a post that shoots me down? And no effort is or was made to
Ponder it. This is one example. When bunny gets suspected he suddenly whips into tons of theory crafting on damo and yoyo and glitter. This seems like manufactured content for fear of being noticed having none.


And then vecna, vecna had vanished for ages. His presence and effort low. And then arrives; rapidly pushes scumreads on ghug; gets that going then moves out.

When I suspect vecna and ghug: bunny replies that would never be the answer. Again assumed an answer with a cheat sheet.


So adjusting for gamestate;

Worcej seems town here
Glitter is null
Damo has seemed sort of town to me all along
Yoyo is still potentially just trolly town

Leaving vecna and bunny. Vecna did just enough to get himself off radars and then left again.

##vote bunny

[ghug]

It would be pretty foolish to base anything off of Balki pushes as he did not push glitter he did not push ghug, damo, bunny, chaqa, or a litany of other people either.

I think ghug was the right place to push; and after that id probably only consider bunny today.

Both seem to fit the profile of hollow agency scum heuristic.

Are you saying I was the right choice to push yesterday? Why didn't you do that then?

[ghug]

fuck it, this game just has such high applicability of occams razor.

Scum needs all their guys to survive d1 so they can get off a shot.

Trying to save your teammates D1 is a high likely thing to appeal to all scum to just quickly and easily sweep this game. Its the easiest most effective path to victory.

Balki didnt have a single read on Yoyo all game. Told off scum teammate damo to not bus.

Tried to charm ghug into not voting yoyo.

We can try to find some mastermind strategy in that where he predicted he would die early, and that town would go chase down his rabbithole, but its much more likely he just wanted to save a teammate with a loaded gun.

Balki buddies me every game we’re in. He even told me he loved me in one of them. You’re also overlooking the possibility that because he’s scum, he could be buddying people to stay under the radar, and create false connections.

Is telling people you love them your idea of buddying?

[brainbomb]

It would be pretty foolish to base anything off of Balki pushes as he did not push glitter he did not push ghug, damo, bunny, chaqa, or a litany of other people either.

I think ghug was the right place to push; and after that id probably only consider bunny today.

Both seem to fit the profile of hollow agency scum heuristic.

Are you saying I was the right choice to push yesterday? Why didn't you do that then?

No im saying now you are a good place to push. I didnt have an opinion on you til today.

Im gonna reiterate there is not a world where ill ever see Bunny as town. That reality died day one and will not be a thing again. He showed himself as scum in how to talked down to me and his part in killing will.

For me the entire game is about killing bunny and finding who his teammate is

[ghug]

5 of the wagons when tied at 2 are known town (assuming damo doesn’t come in with a last minute rose):

Brain, flav, Sparta, just, spirit

I don’t see scum as having any urgency there. Nor any need to move or feel trapped.

Also, (from my POV) unless it’s glitter-Yoyo then indeed no two scum were on the same wagon.

Weren't?

[brainbomb]

His entire game is one large disingenous act to appear as if hes curious and paranoid about everyone so he can pull the wool over peoples eyes to get a shot off and help his teammate inch to kilo. The day 1 kill of will shows him blatanty sided with scum killing a player he respects- for minimal reasoning. It wasnt even reasoning; he killed will for a post he called buddying

[ghug]

Or your townread on ghug is ironclad

This thing where brain draws like three levels of connections and then bases all of the interactions on the presumption that everyone else sees and agrees with him is classic town brain.

This sort of makes me think this was a friendly reminder to
Your very medicated teammate to stop reacting to every theory I had

Or I was just pushing a townread on you.

[ghug]

Ghug indecision on whether to vote spirit could be clearing for vecna. Vecna had not claimed yet not had I. I had said id shoot vecna
Last night so if scum ghug wasnt sure which of me Or vecna was town he could be waiting to see if me or vecna pushed a lie. This maybe is a scumtell for damo but I dont know if thats what both scum would do.

I think both were trying to posture as damo also hadnt claimed yet

At the time both were on spirit the unclaimed rose was

Me
Vecna
Or damo

Damo could be baiting there
But ghug shouldnt need to also be baiting as he had already claimed gun. Seems
Like there is a possibility this posturing was to encourage me or vecna to lie
About what we had.

If there was some pro town play to Me faking having shot vecna; ghug later seemed bummed it was me that was clear. Or perhaps ghug was hoping I also shot balki or would fake having done so.

Not sure if this is even a thing. Again thinking out
Loud

I was hoping to bait a scum rose claim, yes.

[brainbomb]

I have strong Town vs Town vibes from brainbomb vs bunnygo. I know you both feel great conviction behind your side of this, but I don't think the discussion is good for anyone. It's certainly not good for Town, or the game. Can you both please interact with others for a bit and put a bookmark in this?

This is scum balki forcing himself into an argument to improve how bunny is coming across. He has no reason to do this otherwise.