Mafia 91 - Battle for the Sunset Strip - GAME THREAD [Hidden]

[worcej]

Bunny why do you think ghug is trying to give you an out that you are on painkillers here?

I read ghug's post as him be sarcastic like he always is.

I'm more interested in why you're grabbing this interaction so heavily.

Because I think its ghug and bunny as one of my last few guesses here

I can see your thoughts on Bunny and that's still an open option on me.

I think ghug is more likely town than scum based off his actions today.

[brainbomb]

Well now you can have a clear conscience
Two townclears are voting for worcej.

JustAGuyNamedWill (3) BunnyGo, Balki Bartokomous, GlitterBomb
brainbomb (2) SpiritoftheRadio, worcej
Spartaculous (2) Chaqa, FlaviusAetius
Yoyoyozo (2) damo666, Spartaculous
SpiritoftheRadio (2) brainbomb, ghug
FlaviusAetius (1) Yoyoyozo
Ghug (1) Vecna


Also for the people saying its damo and yoyo that would require damo to have been bussing yoyo into the final minutes of day 1 and trying to Manufacture pressure on his own guy. I dont think this is what happened.

[worcej]

Well now you can have a clear conscience
Two townclears are voting for worcej.

JustAGuyNamedWill (3) BunnyGo, Balki Bartokomous, GlitterBomb
brainbomb (2) SpiritoftheRadio, worcej
Spartaculous (2) Chaqa, FlaviusAetius
Yoyoyozo (2) damo666, Spartaculous
SpiritoftheRadio (2) brainbomb, ghug
FlaviusAetius (1) Yoyoyozo
Ghug (1) Vecna


Also for the people saying its damo and yoyo that would require damo to have been bussing yoyo into the final minutes of day 1 and trying to Manufacture pressure on his own guy. I dont think this is what happened.

*Two Townclears are making bad context votes on someone in PoE.

Fixed this for you.

[BunnyGo]

Well now you can have a clear conscience
Two townclears are voting for worcej.

JustAGuyNamedWill (3) BunnyGo, Balki Bartokomous, GlitterBomb
brainbomb (2) SpiritoftheRadio, worcej
Spartaculous (2) Chaqa, FlaviusAetius
Yoyoyozo (2) damo666, Spartaculous
SpiritoftheRadio (2) brainbomb, ghug
FlaviusAetius (1) Yoyoyozo
Ghug (1) Vecna


Also for the people saying its damo and yoyo that would require damo to have been bussing yoyo into the final minutes of day 1 and trying to Manufacture pressure on his own guy. I dont think this is what happened.

Damo jumped to will as soon as yoyo took the lead.

[worcej]

Also, FWIW, damo being the last one to provide context for a claim is not a scummy or town thing.

Last game, he provided intentionally false information on his targets to try to catch scum when he was town and town players ran off with that information as gospel, so I'm a little hesitant to believe town!damo with anything he brings to the table.

[brainbomb]

I didn’t like the people voting yoyo to save will. Not much else to be said.

What about the people voting Will to save yoyo?

I don’t have a strong opinion on those players. I am not against someone using a gun on yoyo to give us significant information on the D1 flip choices, but if this game is anything like our other ones then that was a TvT D1

Why did someone else need to use a gun on yoyo?

[brainbomb]

And before you try to turn this into a high and mighty thing about not revealing what night you took a gun - if you felt like this was a good play ; heeding ghugs strong opinion im surprised yoyo isnt your top priority today

[worcej]

Inherently, here's my frustrations at the "clears" votes on me:

• Spirit's case is built upon his opinion of me and my style, which I tried to illustrate as being incorrect assumptions. He also claims I should've obviously known Will was town, which is definitely a bad take given Will's track record of being able to be convincingly town as scum but also coupled with my barely involvement of the game through the first phases this week.
• BB's vote is a serious joke and I cannot help but laugh at the white knighting occurring as I pick apart his wive's atrocious vote on me, which he should also agree with but is biased with interactions with her.

Truly, I am frustrated that our clears may just be these two because objectively they are poor at driving any consensus/agreement and spend more time in their heads than trying to communicate with others.

Is this all OMGUS from me? Kinda - but really I think Glitter is floundering scum here.

##vote Glitter

[ghug]

The key thing scum want to do is identify rose holders so as to not waste a NK or gunshot and you lot keep insisting on helping them.

This is mainly why I don't automatically bracket rose claimants as town.

Note this is different to surviving spent rose holders who I perceive as town (yoyo).

The second does not follow from the first.

[worcej]

What about the people voting Will to save yoyo?

I don’t have a strong opinion on those players. I am not against someone using a gun on yoyo to give us significant information on the D1 flip choices, but if this game is anything like our other ones then that was a TvT D1

Why did someone else need to use a gun on yoyo?

I didn't say anything like what you're asking here.

Try again.

[brainbomb]

Or for that matter since you were unable to read the day ending as anything other than town vs town; seeing balki and all the sparta voters die; and spirit and me are clear this should mean you strongly scumread surely two
Ppl from the will wagon now.

[ghug]

People are bailing out bunny open wolfing by saying his very scummy posts are induced by drugs. Hes probably just mafia. He can be drugged up as mafia and make very scummy posts also.

By people you mean me.

I'm voting for him, not bailing him out.

[worcej]

And before you try to turn this into a high and mighty thing about not revealing what night you took a gun - if you felt like this was a good play ; heeding ghugs strong opinion im surprised yoyo isnt your top priority today

Brain, please read what I said more carefully and try again.

[brainbomb]

I don’t have a strong opinion on those players. I am not against someone using a gun on yoyo to give us significant information on the D1 flip choices, but if this game is anything like our other ones then that was a TvT D1

Why did someone else need to use a gun on yoyo?

I didn't say anything like what you're asking here.

Try again.

You took a gun so why wouldnt you just shoot him yourself if that was an option?

[BunnyGo]

The key thing scum want to do is identify rose holders so as to not waste a NK or gunshot and you lot keep insisting on helping them.

This is mainly why I don't automatically bracket rose claimants as town.

Note this is different to surviving spent rose holders who I perceive as town (yoyo).

The second does not follow from the first.

Rereading Damos post there, is it a scum mindset not seeing the value of the clears? Only seeing the scum value in finding roses?

[GlitterBomb]

Glitter, who do you think balki’s partners are?

I've been re-reading and trying to find anything that makes sense or gave away intentions or alliances in Balki.

Page 11 – Post 201 Stands out to me. Is this scum Balki defending scum Worcej?

Definitely highly suspicious of Worcej ATM.

Spirit hasn't stood out to me as much as others seem to have gravitated towards him.

Vecna was one who mentioned being willing to vote Will. I followed with that. He also tried to create chaos with a last minute speed wagon on Chaqa.

As opposed to spending a ton of time combing over what Balki said, I've been focusing on the comments of those who've been verified Town. What specifically stood out to me was Sparta's insights on Vecna on Page 47. He perceived a confidence shift in Vecna, going from confused and unsure townie to pretty opinionated at EOD. I absolutely agree with this.

Yoyo and Damo are popping in here and there and I'm null on them ATM.

Ghug has drilled me hard, and I think it's coming from a town perspective but I'm less sure on him than I was. Just because my reasonings and explanations aren't making sense to him, doesn't mean that they are wrong - they're just different viewpoints than how Ghug sees the game. I feel like I was talking in circles yesterday trying to explain myself and it wasn't accomplishing anything. When it comes down to it, I believe Bunny is town. He was on board with Will already, WIll was being mentioned and my thought process was that I would put my Will vote out there and see if others would put their money where their mouth was. I was trying to help contribute to a proactive push to not having last second chaotic voting.

So all of this is to say that I'm very much leaning towards it being Vecna/Worcej.

This is your "gut" post from beginning of the day.

It only says "I am suspicious of worcej" with zero context to justify the opinion.

Then you don't like my post back at Spirit, where I am countering his observations because they are pretty weird/bad with no context. Then you proceed to finally plant the vote on me with him.

This screams inexperienced scum to me - you're not able to fabricate something and are dependent on an echo chamber to generate the case for you.

It’s your opinion that I provided zero context. To me, I provided the post where I felt you were being defending by Balki and that subsequently makes me suspicious of you. I also feel like you’re playing exactly like you did in the last game. Chiming in here and there - I understand you provided IRL situations as background for your activity level before the game even started, but what excellent cover if you are in fact drawn as scum. Because you basically did the same thing last game. That’s why I’m suspicious.

[brainbomb]

Meh okay I see what you are saying but its really fucking ick
Man. So nuanced and boring. You arent that boring, they have hunting and fishing in idaho. Dont be a potato

[worcej]

Why did someone else need to use a gun on yoyo?

I didn't say anything like what you're asking here.

Try again.

You took a gun so why wouldnt you just shoot him yourself if that was an option?

COULD YOU PLEASE JUST TRY TO THINK FOR FUCKS SAKE.

[brainbomb]

I didn't say anything like what you're asking here.

Try again.

You took a gun so why wouldnt you just shoot him yourself if that was an option?

COULD YOU PLEASE JUST TRY TO THINK FOR FUCKS SAKE.

I did. Chill. I get it.
##vote bunny

[worcej]

I've been re-reading and trying to find anything that makes sense or gave away intentions or alliances in Balki.

Page 11 – Post 201 Stands out to me. Is this scum Balki defending scum Worcej?

Definitely highly suspicious of Worcej ATM.

Spirit hasn't stood out to me as much as others seem to have gravitated towards him.

Vecna was one who mentioned being willing to vote Will. I followed with that. He also tried to create chaos with a last minute speed wagon on Chaqa.

As opposed to spending a ton of time combing over what Balki said, I've been focusing on the comments of those who've been verified Town. What specifically stood out to me was Sparta's insights on Vecna on Page 47. He perceived a confidence shift in Vecna, going from confused and unsure townie to pretty opinionated at EOD. I absolutely agree with this.

Yoyo and Damo are popping in here and there and I'm null on them ATM.

Ghug has drilled me hard, and I think it's coming from a town perspective but I'm less sure on him than I was. Just because my reasonings and explanations aren't making sense to him, doesn't mean that they are wrong - they're just different viewpoints than how Ghug sees the game. I feel like I was talking in circles yesterday trying to explain myself and it wasn't accomplishing anything. When it comes down to it, I believe Bunny is town. He was on board with Will already, WIll was being mentioned and my thought process was that I would put my Will vote out there and see if others would put their money where their mouth was. I was trying to help contribute to a proactive push to not having last second chaotic voting.

So all of this is to say that I'm very much leaning towards it being Vecna/Worcej.

This is your "gut" post from beginning of the day.

It only says "I am suspicious of worcej" with zero context to justify the opinion.

Then you don't like my post back at Spirit, where I am countering his observations because they are pretty weird/bad with no context. Then you proceed to finally plant the vote on me with him.

This screams inexperienced scum to me - you're not able to fabricate something and are dependent on an echo chamber to generate the case for you.

It’s your opinion that I provided zero context. To me, I provided the post where I felt you were being defending by Balki and that subsequently makes me suspicious of you. I also feel like you’re playing exactly like you did in the last game. Chiming in here and there - I understand you provided IRL situations as background for your activity level before the game even started, but what excellent cover if you are in fact drawn as scum. Because you basically did the same thing last game. That’s why I’m suspicious.

It's not an opinion - you suspect me and provided zero context as to why you do at the start of this phase.

I cannot fault you for taking my chiming and stepping in and out of the game as possible scum signals because it's the same as last game - experience is going to teach you that is a bad take to make because you'll always suspect players like Rdr or Monarch who are not active regularly.

I would suggest you look for context to justify that more - what context would there be to be doing that this game? Why would I be intentionally not around this game if I was scum?