Mafia 91 - Battle for the Sunset Strip - GAME THREAD [Hidden]

[brainbomb]

I feel like part of town is playing to town’s win condition, and another part is lost in the magic of the mystery. Can we ground ourselves please? I’m having fun but I’m sensing a tension between these two groups and there’s room for both, but I think it’s important to find a balance so we can both have fun, and also achieve a win

What was this specifically a response too?

[brainbomb]

Sort of makes it sound like you think someone was grounded in one camp and dreaming in the other. Just wonder who you thought those groups were

[brainbomb]

Or your townread on ghug is ironclad

This thing where brain draws like three levels of connections and then bases all of the interactions on the presumption that everyone else sees and agrees with him is classic town brain.

This sort of makes me think this was a friendly reminder to
Your very medicated teammate to stop reacting to every theory I had

[brainbomb]

Or your townread on ghug is ironclad

This thing where brain draws like three levels of connections and then bases all of the interactions on the presumption that everyone else sees and agrees with him is classic town brain.

This sort of makes me think this was a friendly reminder to
Your very medicated teammate to stop reacting to every theory I had

If not also feel free to name who this public service announcement was intended
For?

[brainbomb]

Ghug indecision on whether to vote spirit could be clearing for vecna. Vecna had not claimed yet not had I. I had said id shoot vecna
Last night so if scum ghug wasnt sure which of me Or vecna was town he could be waiting to see if me or vecna pushed a lie. This maybe is a scumtell for damo but I dont know if thats what both scum would do.

I think both were trying to posture as damo also hadnt claimed yet

At the time both were on spirit the unclaimed rose was

Me
Vecna
Or damo

Damo could be baiting there
But ghug shouldnt need to also be baiting as he had already claimed gun. Seems
Like there is a possibility this posturing was to encourage me or vecna to lie
About what we had.

If there was some pro town play to Me faking having shot vecna; ghug later seemed bummed it was me that was clear. Or perhaps ghug was hoping I also shot balki or would fake having done so.

Not sure if this is even a thing. Again thinking out
Loud

[worcej]

Why would scum not genuinely be able to make that mistake?

ill do a dive into damo. I dno if I find his take-quality upto par.

that tinfoil is gonna cloud my judgement up the wazoo lol.

FWIW, I am seeing what you're saying as bad but I also don't think damo would be covering so hard for his partner here.

And since I’m town? Would scum!Damo be getting on my good side?

I don't think buddying is a part of damo's game, but that may be because of how I read him.

[worcej]

BB, you're saying you still have a rose? As in you didn't pick night 1 for it?

He shouldn’t and didn’t say that.

He is saying he took a rose at game start.

The remaining count isn’t (I don’t think) how many roses have yet to activate. It’s how many remaining town didn’t choose gun.

This is also my interpretation.

I suspect we have some guns yet to be activated.

[BunnyGo]

The thing is I do have a scumread on brain rn. He just has made a ton of factual errors (pot kettle) in his analysis which is not normal for him and is acting strange


I think it may be smart to actually keep him in
We don’t need any hero shooting so he will stay here to take the bullets. Whoever wants the cred can claim their shot EON1

Look at the negging and buddying. Oof.

How was this even buddying?

He’s calling you scum and calling you on all your many errors (negging)

Then says “oh…but we should keep him around.” So you feel grateful. This is the idea of negging. Put them down, then bring them in.

[brainbomb]

Look at the negging and buddying. Oof.

How was this even buddying?

He’s calling you scum and calling you on all your many errors (negging)

Then says “oh…but we should keep him around.” So you feel grateful. This is the idea of negging. Put them down, then bring them in.

Nice. Good answer

[worcej]

I think Bunny is towncleared. Surely he wouldn't fake like that?

I don't think failing to pay attention to a dead player in AI in this setup with the fact we're all about to be blastin.

I think it's still scummy.

I see why you do, I am just stating I don't see it the same.

[worcej]

this game will most likely be over today or tomorrow.

the odds of scum hitting an active rose is almost negligible in the grand scheme of correct decisionmaking

100% agree here - this is why I was fine with the claim push by ghug here and town him for it personally.

[worcej]

theres 5 town remaining with guns (potentially). it helps town avoid shooting towncleared town as well. And it helps town avoid misskilling a townclear. PoE pool.

Only quasi-townclered to be more accurate.

no, people need to speak up so we can depend on the information.

We have mod-confirmed information about townclears, or a guaranteed scum in a pool of x

This is not a time for heroes, since it might cost us the game if youre allowing a scum to swap into that pool.

This game wont be won by a town getting shot on a night they have a rose active due to shenanigans, but it will be lost by fake clearing a scum.

the cats already too far out of the bag regardless of whether the strategy was the right course of action.

Also towning Vecna here for this one.

[worcej]

Bunny why do you think ghug is trying to give you an out that you are on painkillers here?

I read ghug's post as him be sarcastic like he always is.

I'm more interested in why you're grabbing this interaction so heavily.

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Bunny why do you think ghug is trying to give you an out that you are on painkillers here?

I read ghug's post as him be sarcastic like he always is.

I'm more interested in why you're grabbing this interaction so heavily.

Because I think its ghug and bunny as one of my last few guesses here

[worcej]

Pffft, lots has changed about how I'm seeing this. Here are my reads with no explanation

-----Towniest
Spirit
Damo
Brain
Ghug
Glitter
Yoyo
Vecna
Sparta
Bunny
worecj
-----Scummiest

Bunny just hitting me wrong all game. I honestly could see his frustrations with brain and me just being scum vamp since frustration can often be a good cover since it seems so towny. Worecej is interesting. Tbh I scum read him most because he didn't see will was obvious, and with all due respect for the lobby, he was obviously town. Town worcej would have seen this. Looking back at his posts today, I really don't like how he came off talking to me yesterday. Saying stuff like we don't know if bb or glitter are bad unless we see one flip feels like of like a mafia trying to take advantage of my inclination to push bb and keep me on the train of getting multiple miss kills. Idk reading the boy with the mindset that he is smart scum trying to manipulate the game makes a lot of sense to me. From the bb wagoning to the push for will following balki.

I am kind of scumming on most of the will wagon, because it was just such an easy shift. A lot less on glitter and vecna because they switched late and mostly seemed to be averting a tie. Interesting that nobody who flipped town so far was on it. I give damo a pass because he is so erratic and incomprehensible to me, I just think he's so town right now pushing for me even with my rose lol. He got that star power with me now

I am officially home from my business trip now and a quick look at the bot made me focus on Spirit since he voted me.

I am very curious why you think I should've known Will was obv!town - please explain.

You didn't like my comment about BB and Glitter, yet I said it without prompting from you and you were the one agreeing with my comment after I made it. Do you think I'm a mind reader?

I can see how you're making dots to leading where I would be scum, but I'll safely tell you that I do consider myself a good scum player and I for sure would approach this game via distancing from scum instead of buddying. The only circumstance where I would risk this would be if yoyo was scum, considering that would be one of my few teammates in this game.

In general though, I guess you can scum the will wagon hard if you want, but ultimately D1 is very much a gamble and I think you're too naive to lock!town Will.

This screams open wolfing or reverse psychology to me. What mafia would say “yep, I’m great at being mafia” right? That’s how I read it the first time. But in looking over it again this morning, yeah that’s not sitting right with me. Also, Yoyo has been on/off people’s suspicions all game. Is there a history there with him I don’t know about that provides context to this statement of him being one of your only few possible teammates?

Sticking with my gut from the beginning of this day. ##vote worcej

Can you explain your gut read of me?

If you're going to push me, fucking do it with intent.

[brainbomb]

##vote worcej

[Yoyoyozo]

but then again, I am reminded that Damo did some weird thing to justify his vote on Ghug that involved wagon composition, while Ghug literally always last-second swaps to the winning wagon.

but didn't .... (though he says he was in meeting tbf)

See, this is what happens when you only look at the bot and are not very intune of what actually happened in the game

I suppose there’s merit in both, for different purposes obviously

[Yoyoyozo]

I feel like part of town is playing to town’s win condition, and another part is lost in the magic of the mystery. Can we ground ourselves please? I’m having fun but I’m sensing a tension between these two groups and there’s room for both, but I think it’s important to find a balance so we can both have fun, and also achieve a win

What was this specifically a response too?

No one in particular. Just reading the flow of the game, and noticing unnecessary tension.

[worcej]

Glitter, who do you think balki’s partners are?

I've been re-reading and trying to find anything that makes sense or gave away intentions or alliances in Balki.

Page 11 – Post 201 Stands out to me. Is this scum Balki defending scum Worcej?

Definitely highly suspicious of Worcej ATM.

Spirit hasn't stood out to me as much as others seem to have gravitated towards him.

Vecna was one who mentioned being willing to vote Will. I followed with that. He also tried to create chaos with a last minute speed wagon on Chaqa.

As opposed to spending a ton of time combing over what Balki said, I've been focusing on the comments of those who've been verified Town. What specifically stood out to me was Sparta's insights on Vecna on Page 47. He perceived a confidence shift in Vecna, going from confused and unsure townie to pretty opinionated at EOD. I absolutely agree with this.

Yoyo and Damo are popping in here and there and I'm null on them ATM.

Ghug has drilled me hard, and I think it's coming from a town perspective but I'm less sure on him than I was. Just because my reasonings and explanations aren't making sense to him, doesn't mean that they are wrong - they're just different viewpoints than how Ghug sees the game. I feel like I was talking in circles yesterday trying to explain myself and it wasn't accomplishing anything. When it comes down to it, I believe Bunny is town. He was on board with Will already, WIll was being mentioned and my thought process was that I would put my Will vote out there and see if others would put their money where their mouth was. I was trying to help contribute to a proactive push to not having last second chaotic voting.

So all of this is to say that I'm very much leaning towards it being Vecna/Worcej.

This is your "gut" post from beginning of the day.

It only says "I am suspicious of worcej" with zero context to justify the opinion.

Then you don't like my post back at Spirit, where I am countering his observations because they are pretty weird/bad with no context. Then you proceed to finally plant the vote on me with him.

This screams inexperienced scum to me - you're not able to fabricate something and are dependent on an echo chamber to generate the case for you.

[worcej]

##vote worcej