Mafia 91 - Battle for the Sunset Strip - GAME THREAD [Hidden]

[GlitterBomb]

Wanted to explain my votes and thinking since they’ve been questioned. Ghug, I believe you asked “why?” after EOD on one of my posts and I tried to respond three times but my message kept self-erasing so I’m sorry I haven’t replied till now. Not ignoring!

I didn’t vote until about halfway in because I wanted to take everything in and not make rash votes. Part of me wanted to vote for Brain, Bunny and all of the inactives all at once (if that was a thing!) just to demonstrate how frustrated I was with those individuals and the impact I felt it had on the game to that point.

But when I finally voted, I went with Chaqa first. I didn’t like Chaqa’s comments about having a “victim” because to me it came off as not really caring to actually find the mafia. He explained that it was a joke and then nobody else really seemed concerned by it, so I started looking at other avenues.

I mainly gravitated towards Flav because of the inactivity and my thought that if he didn’t post, and was modkilled/daykilled then we had fewer losses.

I switched to Will because I saw 4-5 or so players with about 2 votes each and was of the belief that consensus needed to start happening. That took me to Will. There seemed to be more interest in him and because he hadn’t voted, I switched to him in order to hopefully allow us to have a clear majority.

I felt like I communicated this pretty clearly in real time, but putting it all together again for those who want it.

[Balki Bartokomous]

In fact....mayyyyybe we want to claim all shots at the very EON...

Thinking about this.

The positive side of this is that it is going to give us more information to work with tomorrow. It forces people to own their shots, and defend them. And if someone hits scum, I think we can basically assume they are clear.

The downside is that it will give mafia information about who potentially has a rose on Night 2.

But....I think it would be an incredibly poor strategy and a rare thing for anyone to choose Night 2 Rose in a setup like this, so that downside may be slight.

Kinda thinking we should actually claim all shots at EON. Interested in views from others.

Still hoping for more comments on this, and I'd like to hear buy-in from people to posting their reads/potential solves at EON.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Wanted to explain my votes and thinking since they’ve been questioned. Ghug, I believe you asked “why?” after EOD on one of my posts and I tried to respond three times but my message kept self-erasing so I’m sorry I haven’t replied till now. Not ignoring!

I didn’t vote until about halfway in because I wanted to take everything in and not make rash votes. Part of me wanted to vote for Brain, Bunny and all of the inactives all at once (if that was a thing!) just to demonstrate how frustrated I was with those individuals and the impact I felt it had on the game to that point.

But when I finally voted, I went with Chaqa first. I didn’t like Chaqa’s comments about having a “victim” because to me it came off as not really caring to actually find the mafia. He explained that it was a joke and then nobody else really seemed concerned by it, so I started looking at other avenues.

I mainly gravitated towards Flav because of the inactivity and my thought that if he didn’t post, and was modkilled/daykilled then we had fewer losses.

I switched to Will because I saw 4-5 or so players with about 2 votes each and was of the belief that consensus needed to start happening. That took me to Will. There seemed to be more interest in him and because he hadn’t voted, I switched to him in order to hopefully allow us to have a clear majority.

I felt like I communicated this pretty clearly in real time, but putting it all together again for those who want it.

Mrs. Bomb, will you please post your best reads in the final couple of minutes of the night phase?

[ghug]

In fact....mayyyyybe we want to claim all shots at the very EON...

Thinking about this.

The big risk is that if someone shoots scum and dies, scum can claim the shot, so this merits consideration.

[Balki Bartokomous]

In fact....mayyyyybe we want to claim all shots at the very EON...

Thinking about this.

The big risk is that if someone shoots scum and dies, scum can claim the shot, so this merits consideration.

Post reads at EON please.

[ghug]

Wanted to explain my votes and thinking since they’ve been questioned. Ghug, I believe you asked “why?” after EOD on one of my posts and I tried to respond three times but my message kept self-erasing so I’m sorry I haven’t replied till now. Not ignoring!

I didn’t vote until about halfway in because I wanted to take everything in and not make rash votes. Part of me wanted to vote for Brain, Bunny and all of the inactives all at once (if that was a thing!) just to demonstrate how frustrated I was with those individuals and the impact I felt it had on the game to that point.

But when I finally voted, I went with Chaqa first. I didn’t like Chaqa’s comments about having a “victim” because to me it came off as not really caring to actually find the mafia. He explained that it was a joke and then nobody else really seemed concerned by it, so I started looking at other avenues.

I mainly gravitated towards Flav because of the inactivity and my thought that if he didn’t post, and was modkilled/daykilled then we had fewer losses.

I switched to Will because I saw 4-5 or so players with about 2 votes each and was of the belief that consensus needed to start happening. That took me to Will. There seemed to be more interest in him and because he hadn’t voted, I switched to him in order to hopefully allow us to have a clear majority.

I felt like I communicated this pretty clearly in real time, but putting it all together again for those who want it.

Why Flav for the inactivity over any of the other low posters?

[ghug]

In fact....mayyyyybe we want to claim all shots at the very EON...

Thinking about this.

The big risk is that if someone shoots scum and dies, scum can claim the shot, so this merits consideration.

Post reads at EON please.

I doubt I will be here.

I townread brain.

I think I'm back towards town on Sparta and I actually kind of like Yoyo tonight, but those are more leans.

You, Spirit, worcej, and Glitter stick out to me as scumreads.

I am not happy with my solve right now.

[GlitterBomb]

Wanted to explain my votes and thinking since they’ve been questioned. Ghug, I believe you asked “why?” after EOD on one of my posts and I tried to respond three times but my message kept self-erasing so I’m sorry I haven’t replied till now. Not ignoring!

I didn’t vote until about halfway in because I wanted to take everything in and not make rash votes. Part of me wanted to vote for Brain, Bunny and all of the inactives all at once (if that was a thing!) just to demonstrate how frustrated I was with those individuals and the impact I felt it had on the game to that point.

But when I finally voted, I went with Chaqa first. I didn’t like Chaqa’s comments about having a “victim” because to me it came off as not really caring to actually find the mafia. He explained that it was a joke and then nobody else really seemed concerned by it, so I started looking at other avenues.

I mainly gravitated towards Flav because of the inactivity and my thought that if he didn’t post, and was modkilled/daykilled then we had fewer losses.

I switched to Will because I saw 4-5 or so players with about 2 votes each and was of the belief that consensus needed to start happening. That took me to Will. There seemed to be more interest in him and because he hadn’t voted, I switched to him in order to hopefully allow us to have a clear majority.

I felt like I communicated this pretty clearly in real time, but putting it all together again for those who want it.

Why Flav for the inactivity over any of the other low posters?

Because I believe at that point Flav was the only one not to post yet. Yoyo and Damo chirped in briefly. So once Flav chimed in, I started thinking I’d move my vote potentially.

[brainbomb]

Wanted to explain my votes and thinking since they’ve been questioned. Ghug, I believe you asked “why?” after EOD on one of my posts and I tried to respond three times but my message kept self-erasing so I’m sorry I haven’t replied till now. Not ignoring!

I didn’t vote until about halfway in because I wanted to take everything in and not make rash votes. Part of me wanted to vote for Brain, Bunny and all of the inactives all at once (if that was a thing!) just to demonstrate how frustrated I was with those individuals and the impact I felt it had on the game to that point.

But when I finally voted, I went with Chaqa first. I didn’t like Chaqa’s comments about having a “victim” because to me it came off as not really caring to actually find the mafia. He explained that it was a joke and then nobody else really seemed concerned by it, so I started looking at other avenues.

I mainly gravitated towards Flav because of the inactivity and my thought that if he didn’t post, and was modkilled/daykilled then we had fewer losses.

I switched to Will because I saw 4-5 or so players with about 2 votes each and was of the belief that consensus needed to start happening. That took me to Will. There seemed to be more interest in him and because he hadn’t voted, I switched to him in order to hopefully allow us to have a clear majority.

I felt like I communicated this pretty clearly in real time, but putting it all together again for those who want it.

Why did you interpret will wagon as the best alternative to yoyo? What did you not like about spirit wagon that was a (2)?

[brainbomb]

Why Flav for the inactivity over any of the other low posters?

Thats also a great question.

[BunnyGo]

In fact....mayyyyybe we want to claim all shots at the very EON...

Thinking about this.

cant put the genie back...

Agree on that. But is the only downside the information about who might have a Night 2 Rose?

Or a night 2 gun…basically any saved power

[GlitterBomb]

Wanted to explain my votes and thinking since they’ve been questioned. Ghug, I believe you asked “why?” after EOD on one of my posts and I tried to respond three times but my message kept self-erasing so I’m sorry I haven’t replied till now. Not ignoring!

I didn’t vote until about halfway in because I wanted to take everything in and not make rash votes. Part of me wanted to vote for Brain, Bunny and all of the inactives all at once (if that was a thing!) just to demonstrate how frustrated I was with those individuals and the impact I felt it had on the game to that point.

But when I finally voted, I went with Chaqa first. I didn’t like Chaqa’s comments about having a “victim” because to me it came off as not really caring to actually find the mafia. He explained that it was a joke and then nobody else really seemed concerned by it, so I started looking at other avenues.

I mainly gravitated towards Flav because of the inactivity and my thought that if he didn’t post, and was modkilled/daykilled then we had fewer losses.

I switched to Will because I saw 4-5 or so players with about 2 votes each and was of the belief that consensus needed to start happening. That took me to Will. There seemed to be more interest in him and because he hadn’t voted, I switched to him in order to hopefully allow us to have a clear majority.

I felt like I communicated this pretty clearly in real time, but putting it all together again for those who want it.

Why did you interpret will wagon as the best alternative to yoyo? What did you not like about spirit wagon that was a (2)?

People started throwing out who they said they’d be willing to vote for. Will was in those lists more than others. I didn’t really have a specific reason to mistrust him other than the minimal amount of posts which I thought could be scummy (ai was wrong). I felt a tie was bad for town and knew those being wagoned could have created chaos by switching votes at the end which I’ve seen blow up on town a lot now. So I was trying to be proactive.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Argh, I am getting pulled into a thing, and likely won't be able to post at EON either, so leaving a legacy post now.

Here is my best attempt to sort the roster. Most likely to be Town on top, and least likely to be Town on bottom. I’ve divided slots into tiers, but tried to sort within each tier as well:

Feeling Very Good About
Brainbomb
Vecna
GlitterBomb
BunnyGo

I Just Don’t Know
Worcej
Spartaculous
Chaqa

More Likely Scum Than Random
Damo
Flavius
Spirit
Ghug
Yoyo

I would not vote for anyone in the Top Tier and I would defend them. I feel very good about each of them. I think that the Brainbomb/Bunnygo fight was one of the more readable moments of the game. It struck me as a Town vs. Town misunderstanding, and hard feelings of a kind that I rarely see manufactured. I also townread brainbomb and Vecna for their suspicions of me personally. In my experience, voicing suspicions of my slot almost always comes from Town. I just think I can be a high-risk target for a scumbucket to try to hit, and so pushes on me more often than not come from Town, especially on Day 1 from these guys who know me well. And Glitter has a playstyle that I find to be very hard for anyone to replicate as mafia. It is stream of conscious – “these are the things that I think” – without a lot of window dressing. I also liked her early skepticism of Bunny and Vecna, and her lack of defensiveness about defending Mr. Bomb. I think her post on page 11 is a great example generally of what I mean.

In the middle tier, I just don’t have strong feelings yet. Worcej seems natural, but I respect his game, and I feel like he can do that as either alignment. He hasn’t done anything that I find very readable, so I am putting him in the Null box for now. Sparta I have been feeling a lot better about, but I want to let that slot marinate. I just want to see where he is spending his time and energy on Day 2. I’ve seen signals that could go either way. Chaqa is acting in a pretty fearless way, but staying true to character. I don’t find anything about his play so far that is particularly readable.

The final tier is where I plan to spend most of my energy. I find the general way the wagons evolved to implicate Yoyo. I generally thought he seemed Towny on Day 1, as he made little effort to blend in, but I had the impression during the final hour or so of voting that there was an agenda being pushed. Just didn’t feel like a Town v Town day, and so I guess I am hoping that Yoyo flips overnight to help clarify that. Ghug is always just hard for me to read. I am suspicious there partly based on POE, and partly based on mayyybe a lack of Day 1 puzzle solving mojo. I know it’s day 1…which is a fair defense, but it’s also Day 1 in a game that maybe only last two or three days, so I am wondering if a lack of sheer curiosity about the game that I am seeing may come from a lack of a puzzle to solve. For Damo, Falvius, and Spirit, I wouldn’t say I’ve seen anything concerning. I’m just not seeing much that goes either way, and I don’t feel like any of them have taken any risks or shown any initiative, compared to people who are in the tier above them.

GTH, and for the cred, my solve is Yoyo/ghug/Spirit.

Good luck!

[ghug]

Wanted to explain my votes and thinking since they’ve been questioned. Ghug, I believe you asked “why?” after EOD on one of my posts and I tried to respond three times but my message kept self-erasing so I’m sorry I haven’t replied till now. Not ignoring!

I didn’t vote until about halfway in because I wanted to take everything in and not make rash votes. Part of me wanted to vote for Brain, Bunny and all of the inactives all at once (if that was a thing!) just to demonstrate how frustrated I was with those individuals and the impact I felt it had on the game to that point.

But when I finally voted, I went with Chaqa first. I didn’t like Chaqa’s comments about having a “victim” because to me it came off as not really caring to actually find the mafia. He explained that it was a joke and then nobody else really seemed concerned by it, so I started looking at other avenues.

I mainly gravitated towards Flav because of the inactivity and my thought that if he didn’t post, and was modkilled/daykilled then we had fewer losses.

I switched to Will because I saw 4-5 or so players with about 2 votes each and was of the belief that consensus needed to start happening. That took me to Will. There seemed to be more interest in him and because he hadn’t voted, I switched to him in order to hopefully allow us to have a clear majority.

I felt like I communicated this pretty clearly in real time, but putting it all together again for those who want it.

Why Flav for the inactivity over any of the other low posters?

Because I believe at that point Flav was the only one not to post yet. Yoyo and Damo chirped in briefly. So once Flav chimed in, I started thinking I’d move my vote potentially.

It seemed in the moment like you were convinced by Sparta's post timing analysis. I'm a little perturbed that that's not even being referenced now.

[Balki Bartokomous]

cant put the genie back...

Agree on that. But is the only downside the information about who might have a Night 2 Rose?

Or a night 2 gun…basically any saved power

Right, but if someone has a Night 2 gun, there is really nothing bad guys can do about it.

[BunnyGo]

Agree on that. But is the only downside the information about who might have a Night 2 Rose?

Or a night 2 gun…basically any saved power

Right, but if someone has a Night 2 gun, there is really nothing bad guys can do about it.

Push them day 2…

That said people with roses will not be claiming anything, so that probably doesn’t matter too much?

[GlitterBomb]

Why Flav for the inactivity over any of the other low posters?

Because I believe at that point Flav was the only one not to post yet. Yoyo and Damo chirped in briefly. So once Flav chimed in, I started thinking I’d move my vote potentially.

It seemed in the moment like you were convinced by Sparta's post timing analysis. I'm a little perturbed that that's not even being referenced now.

Oh no, I perturbed Ghug! Something new and different for me. lol

I didn’t think I needed to reference it because it is there for anyone to read if they want. I came around to it on my own for the reasons I’ve previously said, but yes Spirit got me thinkingin that direction.

[brainbomb]

Because I believe at that point Flav was the only one not to post yet. Yoyo and Damo chirped in briefly. So once Flav chimed in, I started thinking I’d move my vote potentially.

It seemed in the moment like you were convinced by Sparta's post timing analysis. I'm a little perturbed that that's not even being referenced now.

Oh no, I perturbed Ghug! Something new and different for me. lol

I didn’t think I needed to reference it because it is there for anyone to read if they want. I came around to it on my own for the reasons I’ve previously said, but yes Spirit got me thinkingin that direction.

Sparta? Or spirit

[brainbomb]

Im gonna be at a work event til end of phase so all I can say is buckle up mother fuckers.

[ghug]

Because I believe at that point Flav was the only one not to post yet. Yoyo and Damo chirped in briefly. So once Flav chimed in, I started thinking I’d move my vote potentially.

It seemed in the moment like you were convinced by Sparta's post timing analysis. I'm a little perturbed that that's not even being referenced now.

Oh no, I perturbed Ghug! Something new and different for me. lol

I didn’t think I needed to reference it because it is there for anyone to read if they want. I came around to it on my own for the reasons I’ve previously said, but yes Spirit got me thinkingin that direction.

Did you but

Note: glitter is probably not scum teammates with spirit or Sparta