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[ghug]

Whoever accused dudes of not being dramatic has never been in a mafia game with them!

This is emotional, I acknowledge that and I’m trying to think through every angle I am.

What I’m gathering from the last few pages is that he is willing to put your RB picks in if we get consensus on that, and I would be ok with it.

Are you not bothered by the way he approached it to begin with?

In what way? Which posts specifically? He posted his plan long before posting the official roster?

Look at the post directly above this one. He's still trying to convince you to go with his RB picks instead of mine.

[ghug]

Glitter, this is emotional, but when you look at the fundamental mechanical arguments, Bunny and I are pushing to hedge bets and bozo is pushing to not do that.

If I'm scum and I die, great, town's in an excellent position.
If I'm town and I die, we need to give ourselves the best chance at rollblocking the actual scum. As Bozo is an advocate for killing me, he's likely scum in the world where I'm town, and also letting him steamroll the roleblock choice is dangerous. He wants to put Flum in a PR and not an RB, which specifically suggests to me that Flum is his teammate.
Or we could just kill bozo or Flum and roleblock me and Bunny or similar.

Whoever accused dudes of not being dramatic has never been in a mafia game with them!

This is emotional, I acknowledge that and I’m trying to think through every angle I am.

What I’m gathering from the last few pages is that he is willing to put your RB picks in if we get consensus on that, and I would be ok with it.

Exactly, I said it was up to you and Fluminator if you wanted to change the RBs.

So if Flum says no, you won't do it?

This right here, Glitter, is the problem.

[Fluminator]

I'm in work meetings, will be around soon. This thread has blown up

[BunnyGo]

Bozo has never been this obstinate as town.


Ever.

[ghug]

Bozo has never been this obstinate as town.


Ever.

Usually he's obstinate about submitting me for dumb reasons, but this is something else entirely.

[bozotheclown]

Are you not bothered by the way he approached it to begin with?

In what way? Which posts specifically? He posted his plan long before posting the official roster?

Look at the post directly above this one. He's still trying to convince you to go with his RB picks instead of mine.

I said I would go with ghug's RB picks if Fluminator and GlitterBomb agree. Or worcej, if he shows up in time.

[ghug]

In what way? Which posts specifically? He posted his plan long before posting the official roster?

Look at the post directly above this one. He's still trying to convince you to go with his RB picks instead of mine.

I said I would go with ghug's RB picks if Fluminator and GlitterBomb agree. Or worcej, if he shows up in time.

Right, so if Flum is your teammate, he simply doesn't agree and that's that. Why aren't you willing to push for this to happen if you think it's a good idea.

[bozotheclown]

Whoever accused dudes of not being dramatic has never been in a mafia game with them!

This is emotional, I acknowledge that and I’m trying to think through every angle I am.

What I’m gathering from the last few pages is that he is willing to put your RB picks in if we get consensus on that, and I would be ok with it.

Exactly, I said it was up to you and Fluminator if you wanted to change the RBs.

So if Flum says no, you won't do it?

This right here, Glitter, is the problem.

It is not a problem, if ghug were town, his RB picks essentially guarantee a town loss anyway, since I am town.

I suspect ghug choose these RB picks to try to make GlitterBomb think Fluminator and I are mafia if we don't agree to be RBed. I have already voted for myself at RB, and Fluminator has convinced me that he is town.

[bozotheclown]

Look at the post directly above this one. He's still trying to convince you to go with his RB picks instead of mine.

I said I would go with ghug's RB picks if Fluminator and GlitterBomb agree. Or worcej, if he shows up in time.

Right, so if Flum is your teammate, he simply doesn't agree and that's that. Why aren't you willing to push for this to happen if you think it's a good idea.

I said I would do it, but I have no reason to push for that since I know I am town.
RBing only one mafia does nothing unless we DK mafia today, and if we DK a mafia today, Fluminator's plan is all we need to win.

[ghug]

I'd also like to point out that bozo hasn't made any effort to solve the game today. He's not rereading. He's not asking people things.. He's not expressing doubt. He's doubling down on old reads that he refused to clearly explain and trying to force through a mechanical ending that works for him.

[BunnyGo]

Town bozo hunts doubts and hunts some more

[ghug]

Hi Ham.

I'm sorry we're failing you.

[Fluminator]

Ok, I 100% understand the game theory that Bunny and Ghug are pushing where the kill chooses the RB. The game theory is sound, but only in an abstract sense.

It's leaving out the fact that townies have one piece of information they are 100% certain on. I know I'm town. The roster I suggested that other players are seeming to agree with, I know from my point of view it will get town the win in almost every circumstance. If this goes through, the only way town lose is if either Bunny or Glitter is scum and they're not scumpartners with Ghug. That is a gamble I'm willing to take. And even if that is the case, I still have odds of doc saving the nightkill.

There is no world I would give up that near guarantee to satisfy an abstract game theory argument. I agree if ghug is town he has better odds of catching scum and that's why I initially put up Worcej and Bozo.

I don't believe Bunny or Ghug would actually willingly put themselves on the RB if they had the power to choose. As any alignment (town or scum) it helps to put yourself in the best spot. Them pretending otherwise is not convincing me to RB myself.

Every town knows they are town and has to make their own calculations from their point of view for what's best.

[BunnyGo]

so now scum!bozo will refuse to do it.

town!worcej is afk

and so bozo will ram things through....at EOD

again...

I'm here this time.

And Flum is 100% incorrect.

I'm more than happy to RB myself because it confirms to me I'm more likely to have caught scum.

I will HAPPILY do it if we IR bozo.

[ghug]

Ok, I 100% understand the game theory that Bunny and Ghug are pushing where the kill chooses the RB. The game theory is sound, but only in an abstract sense.

It's leaving out the fact that townies have one piece of information they are 100% certain on. I know I'm town. The roster I suggested that other players are seeming to agree with, I know from my point of view it will get town the win in almost every circumstance. If this goes through, the only way town lose is if either Bunny or Glitter is scum and they're not scumpartners with Ghug. That is a gamble I'm willing to take. And even if that is the case, I still have odds of doc saving the nightkill.

There is no world I would give up that near guarantee to satisfy an abstract game theory argument. I agree if ghug is town he has better odds of catching scum and that's why I initially put up Worcej and Bozo.

I don't believe Bunny or Ghug would actually willingly put themselves on the RB if they had the power to choose. As any alignment (town or scum) it helps to put yourself in the best spot. Them pretending otherwise is not convincing me to RB myself.

Every town knows they are town and has to make their own calculations from their point of view for what's best.

The thing you're missing is that both scum are going to say exactly this.

In the world where I'm town and we're killing me, two townies have been tricked by the scum. Those four have the majority to unilaterally decide all the slots, which also means that within that group of four, the two scum have the power to veto anything on their own, which is why you need someone outside that group of four involved. If everyone in the group of four is allowed to behave selfishly, there's no chance we actually hit both scum.

If two townies really want to kill me, fine. It's moronic, you suck, and I expect a big fat apology after the game, but people are wrong sometimes, it happens. I'm your shot though. There's not room for you to also let you take the secondary shot at the RBs

[BunnyGo]

Here! Since everyone is posting shitty first rosters

##Official Roster number 1

QB Glitter
RB 1 Bunny
RB 2 ghug
TE Flum
IR bozo
K worcej

[BunnyGo]

If there's bozo consensus, there's no need for me to change this.

If not...I'm switching to whoever the IR's choices are.

[bozotheclown]

Ok, I 100% understand the game theory that Bunny and Ghug are pushing where the kill chooses the RB. The game theory is sound, but only in an abstract sense.

It's leaving out the fact that townies have one piece of information they are 100% certain on. I know I'm town. The roster I suggested that other players are seeming to agree with, I know from my point of view it will get town the win in almost every circumstance. If this goes through, the only way town lose is if either Bunny or Glitter is scum and they're not scumpartners with Ghug. That is a gamble I'm willing to take. And even if that is the case, I still have odds of doc saving the nightkill.

There is no world I would give up that near guarantee to satisfy an abstract game theory argument. I agree if ghug is town he has better odds of catching scum and that's why I initially put up Worcej and Bozo.

I don't believe Bunny or Ghug would actually willingly put themselves on the RB if they had the power to choose. As any alignment (town or scum) it helps to put yourself in the best spot. Them pretending otherwise is not convincing me to RB myself.

Every town knows they are town and has to make their own calculations from their point of view for what's best.

I entered the roster you, GlitterBomb, and I agreed on, and worcej has entered a roster with ghug at I/R. As long as you and GlitterBomb are still OK with the roster, ghug and BunnyGo would have to match what worcej entered at other positions to force any ties (if worcej does not come back online).

[GlitterBomb]

Here! Since everyone is posting shitty first rosters

##Official Roster number 1

QB Glitter
RB 1 Bunny
RB 2 ghug
TE Flum
IR bozo
K worcej

Why no doctor?

[BunnyGo]

Here! Since everyone is posting shitty first rosters

##Official Roster number 1

QB Glitter
RB 1 Bunny
RB 2 ghug
TE Flum
IR bozo
K worcej

Why no doctor?

I want you to win both...

I expect others to vote you doctor sufficient to win