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[GlitterBomb]

Worcej/Colby/Kak/Flum?

That's the team you think or one of them is Mafia?

I think you have Colby wrong.

I get the accusation here: damo lies about the shot, scum Colby scumslips by assuming the correct NK, consequently Colby is scum.

This is very plausible, but I don't believe it.

Instead, Town Colby still is stuck on damo shooting Will and rdr as NK. Because that is what was strongly touted (particularly by me), in the thread for hours before damo "corrected" it.

What makes this version more compelling is all of the Town slips you have pointed out this game.

Like Colby could be making a concerted effort of scum theater, but I think it is too much to assume that.

I also find damo's rapidfire conclusion to be very convenient to him as scum damo.

Would sweet accurately name the one error here?

Would he really fight so hard for a town and throw his fellow mafia teammates under the bus like that?

[Fluminator]

No, Fluminator's plan demonstrates why different players at D/ST and QB is better. If we don't NK mafia today, we lose with a mafia NK, so it wouldn't matter who gets NKed.

It probably works either way, but it is better to get all 6 players locked into positions with at least 4 voted before EOD than trying to do the 3/3 vote, where we count on mafia cooperating.

I think we need separate D/ST and QB, because if QB is mafia, they could report a fake watch report, then we have a 50/50 with only one confirmed town. We can't afford to have a mafia as a combined D/ST and QB.

If we have a 50/50, then everyone outside of that are conftown. So at 4 players remaining we could still have auto.

[bozotheclown]

I don't see how that works, at 3-1 or 2-1, it is still necessary to figure out who is mafia.

If we go into the night scum I/R, 2 RB, Doc, TE, and QB, then the following situation:
If a scum kill happens, the 2 RB players become confirmed town.

We also coordinate doc to save one and watcher to watch the other.
If anything other than a RB player is killed we have two confirmed town who can indefinitely protect each other. If the watched RB player is killed, the Watcher can claim who visited. If would then be a 1 v 1 between the watcher and who they claim visited so we'd have the other 2 players become confirmed town who can make each other immune.

So for it to not be auto, the final scum has to nokill.
That puts us into 5 players and we have another free miskill and scum is just in a bad situation and would likely have to outlive a couple extra miskills.

UnOfficial Roster

1 QB 1 Glitter
2 RB 1 Worcej
3 RB 2 Bozo
6 TE Flum
8 D/ST Bunny
10 I/R Ghug

I will feel bad if I'm wrong, and I'll sheep Ghug's reads if he's town for the Roleblock on Worcej and Bozo.

I don't think it's Bunny. I'm okay losing to him if he's scum at this point.
Glitter makes some sense to me as Ghug's partner, but less likely otherwise. Maybe I read too much into the notes, but I have never seen a scum put the effort into creating fake notes like that. If Ghug is not scum I feel safe putting her not as a RB

If ghug is town he seems pretty confident on Worcej and I could see myself being buddied by him so I'll sheep potential townghug.
Bozo still has that bizarre tie too.

Ghug has too many small stuff added up for me.
I think his accidental tie on day 2 wasn't fluke when he knew Damo was going to sheep him when he did it.

I think his push on me instead of Kak was scum motivated and he seemed very annoyed Sweet wasn't joining which makes sense if they're buddies. Colby being town makes me feel a lot better about ghug being scum too there.

I don't like how quickly he bought the Bunny reaction test that Sweet was scum after defending sweet, and I think town ghug would have played along more and pushed for reactions. After the reaction test was revealed ghug started defending Sweet again.

The biggest red flag for ghug being scum is he did vote Kak day 1. But scum Sweet came on and tied the vote to save kak so ghug wasn't needed to jump off. But that's the only meaningful push on scum he's made so far and it was day 1.

So if we went with your roster and ghug is mafia, and GlitterBomb is assigned to watch me and BunnyGo is assigned to protect worcej:
1. If mafia NK anyone except me and worcej, we are confirmed town and use the D/ST TE combination to stay safe.
2. If mafia NK worcej, BunnyGo is confirmed mafia.
3. If mafia NK me, GlitterBomb sees the mafia.

I think this works.

The issue with 3 is that a mafia QB would claim to watch someone else perform the NK, but we may still be able to resolve it at 3-1 and one town clear D6. Also, I think GlitterBomb is town.

[GlitterBomb]

I agree on the consensus of 6 roles - spreading votes out can create tie opportunities for scum to weaken the night phase.

Also, not to beat the drum too hard - Flex over QB

Tell me more about this. Isn’t it super imperative to have a watcher at this point? Or are you just thinking since we’ve done without so much (sigh) that we can continue doing so and it’s more important to have the JOAT?

If we kill scum here and it’s 4-1, there are only 3 players that would be able to perform the NK (assuming 2 are RB’ed).

So in the situation that an RB isn’t on the scum, you have a 33% shot you gave the scum the watcher. You also have to hope the watcher actually targets the right person to reveal anything.

Whereas the joat can be a wildcard the scum player has to account for. A track would auto reveal or can clear someone. A vest makes them not able to be killed. And the vig shot keeps town in the game still if we misskill today somehow.

Makes sense. I guess where I keep faltering is knowing that if a scum is placed in a PR they can just lie anyway. But that would be true at watcher or joat.

[GlitterBomb]

For now I assume so.

I would be worried if he hadn't made his 2nd post.

I am just assuming unusually busy?

IMO this post clears ghug.

How? You’re more than capable to open wolf

Open wolf?

[bozotheclown]

It probably works either way, but it is better to get all 6 players locked into positions with at least 4 voted before EOD than trying to do the 3/3 vote, where we count on mafia cooperating.

I think we need separate D/ST and QB, because if QB is mafia, they could report a fake watch report, then we have a 50/50 with only one confirmed town. We can't afford to have a mafia as a combined D/ST and QB.

If we have a 50/50, then everyone outside of that are conftown. So at 4 players remaining we could still have auto.

Right, so at 3-1 there are still 2 town clears to use the D/ST TE combination if we get it wrong D6.

[bozotheclown]

GlitterBomb and worcej, when you are caught up on Fluminator's plan, please let us know if you are OK with this roster:

unofficial roster:
QB GlitterBomb
RB1 worcej
RB2 bozo
TE BunnyGo
D/ST Fluminator
I/R ghug

[GlitterBomb]

I would still go with this:

unofficial roster:
QB GlitterBomb
RB1 worcej
RB2 bozo
TE BunnyGo
D/ST Fluminator
I/R ghug

This is what I’m circling around too. I can support this.

[bozotheclown]

I would still go with this:

unofficial roster:
QB GlitterBomb
RB1 worcej
RB2 bozo
TE BunnyGo
D/ST Fluminator
I/R ghug

This is what I’m circling around too. I can support this.

Thanks, what worcej entered as his first roster is close. If you are OK with it, I will enter it as my first roster if we don't hear from worcej soon.

[bozotheclown]

IMO this post clears ghug.

How? You’re more than capable to open wolf

Open wolf?

Here is a definition I found online: "To behave, as a mafia, in a way that invites discussion and suspicion, typically to attract town attention away from another mafia. Likely to cause town to miscondemn, but also likely to cause town to condemn the player openwolfing."

[BunnyGo]

We need the watcher/doctor to be the same player so the watcher is safe! Goddamnit...

No, Fluminator's plan demonstrates why different players at D/ST and QB is better. If we don't NK mafia today, we lose with a mafia NK, so it wouldn't matter who gets NKed.

If we DO get mafia today, we need both to guarantee we finish with a win.

If we don't, then it doesn't matter if we have them together or not.

[BunnyGo]

We need the watcher/doctor to be the same player so the watcher is safe! Goddamnit...

If Watcher dies assuming we get scum, we have two confirmed towns in roleblock, not a huge deal.

But if watcher can't die, then they can protect/watch both RBs...guaranteeing our clears live.

[GlitterBomb]

How? You’re more than capable to open wolf

Open wolf?

Here is a definition I found online: "To behave, as a mafia, in a way that invites discussion and suspicion, typically to attract town attention away from another mafia. Likely to cause town to miscondemn, but also likely to cause town to condemn the player openwolfing."

Thanks! I was clearly googling wrong!

[BunnyGo]

No, Fluminator's plan demonstrates why different players at D/ST and QB is better. If we don't NK mafia today, we lose with a mafia NK, so it wouldn't matter who gets NKed.

It probably works either way, but it is better to get all 6 players locked into positions with at least 4 voted before EOD than trying to do the 3/3 vote, where we count on mafia cooperating.

I think we need separate D/ST and QB, because if QB is mafia, they could report a fake watch report, then we have a 50/50 with only one confirmed town. We can't afford to have a mafia as a combined D/ST and QB.

If we can't put 2 scum in 4/6 slots, we deserve to lose.

[bozotheclown]

We need the watcher/doctor to be the same player so the watcher is safe! Goddamnit...

No, Fluminator's plan demonstrates why different players at D/ST and QB is better. If we don't NK mafia today, we lose with a mafia NK, so it wouldn't matter who gets NKed.

If we DO get mafia today, we need both to guarantee we finish with a win.

If we don't, then it doesn't matter if we have them together or not.

You haven't read Fluminator's plan if you think that.

[GlitterBomb]

I would still go with this:

unofficial roster:
QB GlitterBomb
RB1 worcej
RB2 bozo
TE BunnyGo
D/ST Fluminator
I/R ghug

This is what I’m circling around too. I can support this.

Thanks, what worcej entered as his first roster is close. If you are OK with it, I will enter it as my first roster if we don't hear from worcej soon.

I am. Worcej said he may be MIA till two hours from EOD though and even that is in the air, hence the roster he submitted already. In that scenario… what’s the most logical plan?

[BunnyGo]

If we go into the night scum I/R, 2 RB, Doc, TE, and QB, then the following situation:
If a scum kill happens, the 2 RB players become confirmed town.

We also coordinate doc to save one and watcher to watch the other.
If anything other than a RB player is killed we have two confirmed town who can indefinitely protect each other. If the watched RB player is killed, the Watcher can claim who visited. If would then be a 1 v 1 between the watcher and who they claim visited so we'd have the other 2 players become confirmed town who can make each other immune.

So for it to not be auto, the final scum has to nokill.
That puts us into 5 players and we have another free miskill and scum is just in a bad situation and would likely have to outlive a couple extra miskills.

UnOfficial Roster

1 QB 1 Glitter
2 RB 1 Worcej
3 RB 2 Bozo
6 TE Flum
8 D/ST Bunny
10 I/R Ghug

I will feel bad if I'm wrong, and I'll sheep Ghug's reads if he's town for the Roleblock on Worcej and Bozo.

I don't think it's Bunny. I'm okay losing to him if he's scum at this point.
Glitter makes some sense to me as Ghug's partner, but less likely otherwise. Maybe I read too much into the notes, but I have never seen a scum put the effort into creating fake notes like that. If Ghug is not scum I feel safe putting her not as a RB

If ghug is town he seems pretty confident on Worcej and I could see myself being buddied by him so I'll sheep potential townghug.
Bozo still has that bizarre tie too.

Ghug has too many small stuff added up for me.
I think his accidental tie on day 2 wasn't fluke when he knew Damo was going to sheep him when he did it.

I think his push on me instead of Kak was scum motivated and he seemed very annoyed Sweet wasn't joining which makes sense if they're buddies. Colby being town makes me feel a lot better about ghug being scum too there.

I don't like how quickly he bought the Bunny reaction test that Sweet was scum after defending sweet, and I think town ghug would have played along more and pushed for reactions. After the reaction test was revealed ghug started defending Sweet again.

The biggest red flag for ghug being scum is he did vote Kak day 1. But scum Sweet came on and tied the vote to save kak so ghug wasn't needed to jump off. But that's the only meaningful push on scum he's made so far and it was day 1.

So if we went with your roster and ghug is mafia, and GlitterBomb is assigned to watch me and BunnyGo is assigned to protect worcej:
1. If mafia NK anyone except me and worcej, we are confirmed town and use the D/ST TE combination to stay safe.
2. If mafia NK worcej, BunnyGo is confirmed mafia.
3. If mafia NK me, GlitterBomb sees the mafia.

I think this works.

The issue with 3 is that a mafia QB would claim to watch someone else perform the NK, but we may still be able to resolve it at 3-1 and one town clear D6. Also, I think GlitterBomb is town.

So let's BANK on that...

Give her the QB/DST

Get a scum in IR

Failing that, try to put 2 in RB

If we only get 1 in RB...get the other in TE...

And try to win!

[BunnyGo]

IMO this post clears ghug.

How? You’re more than capable to open wolf

Open wolf?

Actively appearing to hunt and control the discussion while being scum.

[BunnyGo]

I would still go with this:

unofficial roster:
QB GlitterBomb
RB1 worcej
RB2 bozo
TE BunnyGo
D/ST Fluminator
I/R ghug

This is what I’m circling around too. I can support this.

Why do YOU not want to be QB/DST combo?

Don't you think that's what guarantees the best odds of no scum powers?

[BunnyGo]

No, Fluminator's plan demonstrates why different players at D/ST and QB is better. If we don't NK mafia today, we lose with a mafia NK, so it wouldn't matter who gets NKed.

If we DO get mafia today, we need both to guarantee we finish with a win.

If we don't, then it doesn't matter if we have them together or not.

You haven't read Fluminator's plan if you think that.

His plan is wrong.

He even admitted he doesn't think it matters much.