Mafia Olympics - Gold Medal Game- Fantasy Football - Official Game Thread

[BunnyGo]

And @bozo I’m surprised you’re marching wrong.

It’s super easy to get someone 2 roles. They run unopposed.

I would be happy to be SUPERBUNNY (TM) hero to all town and execute this plan to perfection.

It is easy to say, but you have not made any effort to make anything happen with the rosters all game.

This is also a lie. I've made plenty of effort.

YOU have buried them all when I've been not around...

[BunnyGo]

bozo's posts and objections are so outlandish he isn't reading and thinking; just insta-objecting. Is that town!bozo? Possibly, but he's harming town this way.

This does not make any sense, the only thing I think we disagree on is whether to put one player at D/ST and QB or 2 different players. It is not going to be up to you or me who ends up getting RBed.

Why would you make things suck more?

[BunnyGo]

bozo's posts and objections are so outlandish he isn't reading and thinking; just insta-objecting. Is that town!bozo? Possibly, but he's harming town this way.

This does not make any sense, the only thing I think we disagree on is whether to put one player at D/ST and QB or 2 different players. It is not going to be up to you or me who ends up getting RBed.

Why would you make things suck more?

We want the QB TO FINALLY SURVIVE for once.

[BunnyGo]

This does not make any sense, the only thing I think we disagree on is whether to put one player at D/ST and QB or 2 different players. It is not going to be up to you or me who ends up getting RBed.

Why would you make things suck more?

We want the QB TO FINALLY SURVIVE for once.

You were all for the QB/DST when you had it night 1...what's up bozo?

[BunnyGo]

GAH!

Walking away...this is insanely frustrating.

[bozotheclown]

Stop trying. You're wrong.

Stop.

Stop.

You're making things worse.

You're going to be my top scumread if you don't stop.

You are not right about it being easy to implement what you are suggesting.

Oh?!

Why should town object?

How CAN scum object?

Right now...We put it to a vote who gets the SUPER spot.

We put it to a vote who gets the IR slot (using the bot)

We allow that person to name the RBs, and that's it.

ANYONE not voting that way, we all save our second rosters to wagon them if they deviate.

Putting one player in both D/ST and QB now doesn't do much, though, and I already told you the problem with having the I/R select the RBs. Also, if we DK one mafia we do not win, so it is better to try to get a mafia in I/R and one of the RBs instead of letting an I/R mafia pick the RBs.

[bozotheclown]

This does not make any sense, the only thing I think we disagree on is whether to put one player at D/ST and QB or 2 different players. It is not going to be up to you or me who ends up getting RBed.

Why would you make things suck more?

We want the QB TO FINALLY SURVIVE for once.

It won't matter if the game is over before D6.

[bozotheclown]

Everyone please post their preferred roster, even if you want to go with what
BunnyGo is suggesting.

[bozotheclown]

I was expecting Bozo to push for Bunny first, not ghug. That does seem to imply it's not bozo/ghug scumteam. I don't think scum bus here.

Why wouldn't scum bus here?

If we get one scum here the other loses. I did a setup analysis and there's basically no way the last scum isn't caught if we organize our PRs and RB correctly

I don't see how that works, at 3-1 or 2-1, it is still necessary to figure out who is mafia.

[worcej]

Taking the list of player votes and trying to VCA it, the way I look at this game is scum would like to get their teammates into PR spots to try to limit town’s investigation roles from having an impact and then trying to keep scum out of RB slots.

To be clear, PR = QB, Flex, D/ST

So - I am condensing the list down to grouping the votes into these categories:

• PR votes for scum
• RB votes for scum
• PR votes for town
• RB votes for town
• PR votes for unknown alignments
• RB votes for unknown alignments

Taking the list and reviewing the active players:

Bozo:

• 0
• 1
• 4
• 3
• 8
• 4

Bunny:

• 1
• 0
• 3
• 4
• 8
• 4

Flum:

• 0
• 2
• 3
• 3
• 9
• 3

Ghug:

• 1
• 1
• 3
• 3
• 8
• 4

Glitter:

• 0
• 0
• 2
• 3
• 10
• 5

Worcej:

• 1
• 1
• 5
• 3
• 6
• 4

Analysis later - flight taking off

Continuation of this - the analysis portion.

On the surface level:

1. bozo looks the best at identifying town and PRing them.
2. bunny looks the worst at identifying town and RB'ing the most town players.
3. Glitter is the most distanced out of anyone.
4. Everyone has cast a lot of votes on non-confirmed people at this point...

So, I wanted to resolved the non-confirmed people - one thing I didn't do is review how often someone voted for themselves as a PR. That's now here:

• bozo: 3
• bunny: 4
• flum: 2
• ghug: 2
• glitter: 3
• worcej: 2

Again, I lean towards the scum players wanting to net the PR positions the most for their team and a leading way to do it is to self advocate, leaving Bunny here as the worst, followed by Glitter/bozo, then flum/ghug/myself.

In regards to "pairs" - you can go through and now look at how often people voted for each other. Hopefully this list isn't messy...

Count PR Votes from Remaining Players:

• bozo:
  • bozo (himself): 3
  • bunny: 1
  • flum: 1
  • ghug: 2
  • glitter: 1
  • worcej: 0
• bunny:
  1. bozo: 2
  2. bunny (himself): 4
  3. flum: 1
  4. ghug: 2
  5. glitter: 0
  6. worcej: 0
• flum:
  1. bozo: 1
  2. bunny: 2
  3. flum (himself): 2
  4. ghug: 1
  5. glitter: 2
  6. worcej: 1
• ghug:
  1. bozo: 1
  2. bunny: 4
  3. flum: 0
  4. ghug (himself): 2
  5. glitter: 1
  6. worcej: 0
• glitter:
  1. bozo: 1
  2. bunny: 1
  3. flum: 2
  4. ghug: 1
  5. glitter (herself): 3
  6. worcej: 1
• worcej:
  1. bozo: 1
  2. bunny: 1
  3. flum: 1
  4. ghug: 0
  5. glitter: 1
  6. worcej (myself): 2

If you look at collective voting, the most obvious via VCA are ghug-bunny. What sticks out to me is the numerous PR votes amongst each other, notably on Bunny and especially in the flex position near the last few phases.

I think scum's strategy going into the last couple nights would have been to try to hope for a gun to decrease the miskill count and damo's dumbass roster shit accomplished them to get us to to 4-2 and at MiLo versus KiLo.

[worcej]

Here's my crack at updating this... first time doing color with fonts so I could've screwed something up, so please just let me know or fix in another post! Interesting to review...

Day 1:Day2:Day3:Day4
<snip>
Is for Town and Is for mafia

OK, staring at this, let me draw your attention to what grabbed me:

1) Kaka is not good at scum, and is a bit blatant with his bussing.
Kak:
1 QB 1 glitterbomb:glitter:HamBrian
2 RB 1 sweet:bozo:Colby
3 RB 2 RD:sweet:Bozo
4 WR 1 bozo:rivera:Glitter
5 WR 2 haze:hambrian:Sweet
6 TE col7by:col7by:worcej
7 FLEX worcej:worcej:Bunny
8 D/ST bunny:bunny:damo
9 K Kak:kak:Kak
10 I/R (vote out) Flum:flum:Flum

This draws me to wonder about Flum.

Kaka also put a known town in QB, and a likely town there. Put another known town in DST, and a known to me town.

In FLEX, he put a known town, and...well it'd be weird if he only put town in his town slots. Which draws me to wonder about worcej.


2) Sweet is much more subtle about his voting.

Sweet:
1 QB 1 BunnyGo:Will:Colby
2 RB 1 sweetandcool:Sweet:ghug
3 RB 2 Ham:Col7by:bozo
4 WR 1 Glitterbomb:flum:Kak
5 WR 2 Jamiet:glitter:Glitter
6 TE Will:bozo:flum
7 FLEX Kak:ghug:bunny
8 D/ST Bozo:damo:sweet
9 K damo:kak:HamBrian
10 I/R TheFlyingBoat:bona:damo

There's no obvious patterns here.

3) Let's follow onto Flum's voting.

Flum:
1 QB 1 Worcej:glitter:bunny:Glitter
2 RB 1 Sweet:worcej:HamBrian:Sweet
3 RB 2 Rdrivera:sweet:bozo:Damo
4 WR 1 Jamiet:rivera:worcej:Worcej
5 WR 2 Bunny:bunny:ghug:Bozo
6 TE Bona:col7by:colby:Col7by
7 FLEX Ghug:damo:flum:Flum
8 D/ST Bozo:willl:damo:Bunny
9 K Kak:bona:sweet: (open)
10 I/R The Flying Boat:Kak:kak:Ghug

TE was always town (and usually the same one). K was a mix, but got both kak and sweet. IR was kak...until the end of D1 (not listed here) when he saved kaka, and then again D4 when he tried to save sweet.

worcej started as QB in a hopeless attempt to stop the SUPERBOZO (lawsuit for copyright infringement pending), but then was RB and WR.

4) Finally worcej.

Worcej:
QB Jamie:Glitter:Bunny:Flum
RB1 Bozo:Will:Glitter:Ghug
RB2 Bunny:sweet:Colby:Col7by
WR1 Fluminator:ghug:ghug:Bunny
WR2 Bona:bozo:bozo:Glitter
TE worcej:kak:worcej:Damo
FLEX Will:damo:HamBrian:Bozo
D/ST HB:worcej:sweet:Worcej
K Glitter:rivera:damo: (open)
I/R Damo:bunny:Kak: Sweet

Another solid mix; worcej is good at this. Consitently voted town the first 3 days for Flex. Consistently voted scum for DST (assuming worcej is scum).

But he never votes Flum at all until D4 when he has to, and puts him in QB causing a tie. This is a surprising (to me) observation.

So...in my next post, I invite you to do an ISO of Flum* mentioning worc* (I'll cite some posts from it, but you should look at the progression of the reading yourself)

Hilariously, if you do the analysis from my perspective, you see a glaring issue as well:

If you review the votes closely, you see that ghug never voted for flum or I as a PR, all game and you only ever voted for one of us (Flum) the entire game.

[worcej]

Mech notes:

We should absolutely have a DST and TE.

The TE should be a scumspect who isn’t RBd (just to cover bases more. And the DST can choose to save them too.

If we can make the DST the QB too that’s even better

This screams bad scum advice.

We should drop the QB and have a flex. The flex is stronger and can provide a self-save, a track of the non-RB, or even a shot at night if we somehow happen to fuck up and kill a town here.

[worcej]

Fine. In case I was unclear:

Scum team: kaka-SwEden-worcej-Flum

When did you conclude I am town?

Still haven’t been able to; but I couldn’t fit you and your votes into a remaining pair I believed.

And worcej-Flum I did.

I can only speak for your reads on me, but you've implied I am scum from multiple perspectives and phases to get a me as a miskill and this bozo response screams you had a "solution" already predetermined.

[worcej]

It will be hard if not impossible to get a town into 2 slots today with the mafia having 2 out of 6 votes. We need a TE and I think the RBs are more useful than FLEX, so I suggest something like this:

QB bozo
RB1 BunnyGo
RB2 Fluminator
TE worcej
FLEX
D/ST GlitterBomb
I/R ghug

Again, until someone explains how I'm being an idiot (but I don't see how I am), I feel the most optimum play for us is to abandon the QB and we should have a Flex PR instead.

QB intel is a guessing game and is the weakest PR of the whole set.
Flex can provide protection for themselves and even prevent scum from outright winning during night if the flex player shoots a scum at night.

[worcej]

It will be hard if not impossible to get a town into 2 slots today with the mafia having 2 out of 6 votes. We need a TE and I think the RBs are more useful than FLEX, so I suggest something like this:

QB bozo
RB1 BunnyGo
RB2 Fluminator
TE worcej
FLEX
D/ST GlitterBomb
I/R ghug

Glitter should be QB too. We can do this with agreement

We NEED a QB to actually give us results for once. We’ve literally not had it at all all game.

scum-gestion here imho

[worcej]

My current preference.

Kill: Ghug
RB: Bozo/Glitter

Town Bunny and Worcej

Bunny can have his win if he's scum. Maybe Worcej has been buddying me, but I usually find him a lot less engaged when he's scum. I remember vigging him correctly his last scum game and being really certain.

Why is worcej town if he hasn't done anything that stands out to you?

Usually he messed up and slips by now. I don't think he's that good at scum tbh.

I am really bad at scum when I'm not scum.

idk wtf standards ghug keeps holding me to yet gets apparently mad at Bunny for questioning his contributions (newsflash: it's been entirely against just us)

[worcej]

What do you mean by "the other person"?

Remind me why it makes sense to leave a PR Open? Because there’s a 1/3 chance that we have a mafia in it? I for sure want to keep both roleblock roles filled.

We only have 6 players left and I think we want to fill QB, RB1, RB2, TE, D/ST, and I/R, and I don't think we should try to put anyone in 2 positions.

I agree on the consensus of 6 roles - spreading votes out can create tie opportunities for scum to weaken the night phase.

Also, not to beat the drum too hard - Flex over QB

[worcej]

I still think BunnyGo/ghug is most likely. They both came out scum reading me N4 for poor reasons after I helped push the sweetandcool DK through without ever mentioning why I would be bussing sweetandcool.

I agree - the VCA also supports this pair the strongest likelihood of being scum imo.

[worcej]

Everyone please post their preferred roster, even if you want to go with what
BunnyGo is suggesting.

QB
RB ghug/Bunny
RB Flum
WR
WR
Flex worcej (literally the only spot I can be in as a PR)
TE Glitter
D/ST bozo
K
I/R ghug/Bunny

Somewhat torn on TE vs RB for Glitter/Flum, so I can be swayed to swap them. They're very close together in terms of my towniness rankings after doing the VCA review.

[bozotheclown]

It will be hard if not impossible to get a town into 2 slots today with the mafia having 2 out of 6 votes. We need a TE and I think the RBs are more useful than FLEX, so I suggest something like this:

QB bozo
RB1 BunnyGo
RB2 Fluminator
TE worcej
FLEX
D/ST GlitterBomb
I/R ghug

Again, until someone explains how I'm being an idiot (but I don't see how I am), I feel the most optimum play for us is to abandon the QB and we should have a Flex PR instead.

QB intel is a guessing game and is the weakest PR of the whole set.
Flex can provide protection for themselves and even prevent scum from outright winning during night if the flex player shoots a scum at night.

The QB is getting more powerful since we will be down to 5 players, and one will be the D/ST, so the QB would only have 3 players to choose from. It won't matter, though, if we DK a town and the NK goes through. The FLEX could give us another chance if we put town there and they get the Vig shot. I think either one would be OK.