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[Fluminator]

I agreed to help sit a diplomacy game this week and it is taking so much more time than I anticipated. Ezio owes me one. I will definitely have time to look into it today, it's hard for me not to tunnel on ghug at this point though.

[ghug]

##official roster

QB Glitterbomb
RB1 JustAGuyNamedWill
RB2 sweetandcool
WR1 ghug
WR2 bozo
TE Kak
FLEX damo
D/ST worcej
K rdr
I/R bunny

Notes:

1. I firmly agree with the concept of not stacking PRs onto players. In terms of the slots, I agree that glitter is town lean at worst at this point - she's done nothing scummy.
2. I'm using the RB slots as my "scum leans" to possibly fuck with scum on night actions. Will is a because I'm concerned I'm being buddied - "Sweden" is due to lack of content from the slot to place him (them?).
3. Throwing away the kicker and WR slots honestly - just placing ghug, bozo, and rdr there for now
4. I'm TE'ing Kak as I think he's an easy miskill atm that scum wouldn't want to exploit
5. I call Bunny's vote on me as an OMGUS and while mine can be viewed the same, this is rooted in my contempt for any player who pushed for the superpower position this game. You can also examine a vast majority of bunny's posts focused on getting power versus actually looking or explaining his reads on anyone.
6. I feel weirded out that I haven't seen any pushes or comments to flip kak after D1 had him as the narrative choice until the consensus became to vote out the person who was going to be modkilled. This makes me suspect Bunny/HB/ghug as they were on Kak but haven't revisited this and there isn't new information imho to change opinions on him.

[ghug]

D3 should be a resolution around the kak voters. I find it weird he was a secondary wagon but wasn't remotely revisited by players such as ghug/HB/bunny/flum

[ghug]

Fuck me sideways the amount of tunneling you keep doing on me is driving me fucking nuts.

There isn't a single fucking thing I can do that doesn't satisfy you.

Who do you townread?

Great question.

I feel pretty good about HB atm - his re-examination of D1 and looking at votes I think was value added and he's on the same wavelength about the RB slot as me. I also am leaning towards flipping Kak at this point - the lack of content from him so far without asking for a sub seems off and borderline intentional (I wish I didn't think like this but I can't shake it)

I'm feeling better about "Sweden" atm - the content uptick strikes me as town taking the game more seriously and trying to piece the puzzle together. If this was realistically MiLo/KiLo. But TBF, it is that situation if we miskill, if we give the FLEX to scum, if the FLEX gets the gun, and if the doctor fails - if to the power of 4 makes me not really think like that.

And honestly, I think you're dumb town tunneling me or just bad scum trying to push a miskill poorly.

[ghug]

##OFFICIAL ROSTER (1)

1 QB 1 Glitter
2 RB 1 Kak
3 RB 2 Colby
4 WR 1 Bunny
5 WR 2 Bozo
6 TE worcej
7 FLEX ghug
8 D/ST Ham
9 K Damo
10 I/R Flum

Your aggro to me as a PR vote by HB but then put me as a TE is weird to me.

Worcej, I think I asked about this at the time but don't remember an answer. What was your thought process here?

[ghug]

##official roster

QB1 Bunny
RB1 Glitter
RB2 Colby
WR1 ghug
WR2 bozo
TE worcej
FLEX HB
D/ST sweetandcool
K Damo
I/R Kak

I think resolving Kak is valuable for D1 connections to several players voting habits.

I am suspicious on Glitter and Colby and thus RB slots.

I hope scum choose to target "Sweden" and kill me instead simply to verify my suspicion of a scum team of Glitter/colby/ghug/damo.

My town reads are placed in the PR positions, with my best read as the FLEX.

[ghug]

Why are we near losing to you?

You want to kill Kak to avoid the chance of losing immediately but you don't think we're near losing?

I don't want scum to keep Kak in for KiLo as it's dead weight. He's made 4 posts total dude.

I'm honestly shocked he hasn't asked for a sub.

[ghug]

Glitter's list looks the worst to me - never having voted a confirmed town in any PR slot and slamming towns all into RB slots.

This line of thinking about confirmed town has been really central to worcej's game and I don't know what to make of it.

[ghug]

No

It's funny, it's actually you who kept suggesting that.

I don't want scum to keep Kak in for KiLo as it's dead weight. He's made 4 posts total dude.

I'm honestly shocked he hasn't asked for a sub.

I just wanted you to clarify if you shared my opinion.

[worcej]

Taking the list of player votes and trying to VCA it, the way I look at this game is scum would like to get their teammates into PR spots to try to limit town’s investigation roles from having an impact and then trying to keep scum out of RB slots.

To be clear, PR = QB, Flex, D/ST

So - I am condensing the list down to grouping the votes into these categories:

• PR votes for scum
• RB votes for scum
• PR votes for town
• RB votes for town
• PR votes for unknown alignments
• RB votes for unknown alignments

Taking the list and reviewing the active players:

Bozo:

• 0
• 1
• 4
• 3
• 8
• 4

Bunny:

• 1
• 0
• 3
• 4
• 8
• 4

Flum:

• 0
• 2
• 3
• 3
• 9
• 3

Ghug:

• 1
• 1
• 3
• 3
• 8
• 4

Glitter:

• 0
• 0
• 2
• 3
• 10
• 5

Worcej:

• 1
• 1
• 5
• 3
• 6
• 4

Analysis later - flight taking off

[BunnyGo]

Here's my crack at updating this... first time doing color with fonts so I could've screwed something up, so please just let me know or fix in another post! Interesting to review...

Day 1:Day2:Day3:Day4
<snip>
Is for Town and Is for mafia

OK, staring at this, let me draw your attention to what grabbed me:

1) Kaka is not good at scum, and is a bit blatant with his bussing.
Kak:
1 QB 1 glitterbomb:glitter:HamBrian
2 RB 1 sweet:bozo:Colby
3 RB 2 RD:sweet:Bozo
4 WR 1 bozo:rivera:Glitter
5 WR 2 haze:hambrian:Sweet
6 TE col7by:col7by:worcej
7 FLEX worcej:worcej:Bunny
8 D/ST bunny:bunny:damo
9 K Kak:kak:Kak
10 I/R (vote out) Flum:flum:Flum

This draws me to wonder about Flum.

Kaka also put a known town in QB, and a likely town there. Put another known town in DST, and a known to me town.

In FLEX, he put a known town, and...well it'd be weird if he only put town in his town slots. Which draws me to wonder about worcej.


2) Sweet is much more subtle about his voting.

Sweet:
1 QB 1 BunnyGo:Will:Colby
2 RB 1 sweetandcool:Sweet:ghug
3 RB 2 Ham:Col7by:bozo
4 WR 1 Glitterbomb:flum:Kak
5 WR 2 Jamiet:glitter:Glitter
6 TE Will:bozo:flum
7 FLEX Kak:ghug:bunny
8 D/ST Bozo:damo:sweet
9 K damo:kak:HamBrian
10 I/R TheFlyingBoat:bona:damo

There's no obvious patterns here.

3) Let's follow onto Flum's voting.

Flum:
1 QB 1 Worcej:glitter:bunny:Glitter
2 RB 1 Sweet:worcej:HamBrian:Sweet
3 RB 2 Rdrivera:sweet:bozo:Damo
4 WR 1 Jamiet:rivera:worcej:Worcej
5 WR 2 Bunny:bunny:ghug:Bozo
6 TE Bona:col7by:colby:Col7by
7 FLEX Ghug:damo:flum:Flum
8 D/ST Bozo:willl:damo:Bunny
9 K Kak:bona:sweet: (open)
10 I/R The Flying Boat:Kak:kak:Ghug

TE was always town (and usually the same one). K was a mix, but got both kak and sweet. IR was kak...until the end of D1 (not listed here) when he saved kaka, and then again D4 when he tried to save sweet.

worcej started as QB in a hopeless attempt to stop the SUPERBOZO (lawsuit for copyright infringement pending), but then was RB and WR.

4) Finally worcej.

Worcej:
QB Jamie:Glitter:Bunny:Flum
RB1 Bozo:Will:Glitter:Ghug
RB2 Bunny:sweet:Colby:Col7by
WR1 Fluminator:ghug:ghug:Bunny
WR2 Bona:bozo:bozo:Glitter
TE worcej:kak:worcej:Damo
FLEX Will:damo:HamBrian:Bozo
D/ST HB:worcej:sweet:Worcej
K Glitter:rivera:damo: (open)
I/R Damo:bunny:Kak: Sweet

Another solid mix; worcej is good at this. Consitently voted town the first 3 days for Flex. Consistently voted scum for DST (assuming worcej is scum).

But he never votes Flum at all until D4 when he has to, and puts him in QB causing a tie. This is a surprising (to me) observation.

So...in my next post, I invite you to do an ISO of Flum* mentioning worc* (I'll cite some posts from it, but you should look at the progression of the reading yourself)

[BunnyGo]

Where I currently stand in order of activity

Will - Town: I might be buddied, but I was on his scum team in a previous game and he was nervous to post. He is not nervous to post this game.

Damo - Town: Him putting himself out there so early was quite town. He's been active and engaged, and getting a lot of pushback for it but he's not coming across as worried about it.

Bona - null: Wasn't super impressed with his catch up. He's playing a character right now which is funny, but easy to be fake.

Bunny - scummy: He tried to shoot down normal voting and later claimed that wasn't what he meant when he started getting pushback on that, and created a bizarre excuse in hindsight that was quickly debunked.

Jamie - scummy: Trying to replicate fake annoyance. Thinks it's bad to encourage people vote because it might "prevent people from changing their votes, to lock in incorrect reads." even though most players hadn't voted once yet.

Bozo - townie-null: He so far hasn't triggered any red flags yet.

Glitterbomb - null-town: She seemed offended I voted her, which is much more a town reaction to receiving votes than scum.

worcej - null: I didn't like how he discounted everything I did at the beginning as trolling when it actually progressed the game, but other than that he didn't trigger anything

Haze with a Z: - Null: I've never played with them before so don't really have a read yet until more time.

ghug: - Null: I always need a couple days to read him

Col7by - who?
Brian - null but not killing him day 1 because he's always miskilled
rdr - I'll give him a free day
sweet - I'll give him a free day
Kak - why aren't you posting
TFB - get you're butt over here so I can kill you with you watching.

Page 40. Worcej is null, as is sweet and kaka. There's a couple town, and two incorrect scum.

##official roster

1 QB 1 Worcej

2 RB 1 Sweet

3 RB 2 Rdrivera

4 WR 1 Jamiet

5 WR 2 Bunny

6 TE Bona

7 FLEX Ghug

8 D/ST Bozo

9 K Kak

10 I/R The Flying Boat


DIE FLYING BOAT DIE
I want you to know it was me.

Next post (on page 48...but no other posts in between) he puts worcej at QB. This is ostensibly to help Bozo be SUPER, but also is a choice.

13-4 (maybe 13.5-4?) i believe is a townsided setup in vanilla play, so with powers, its townsided

Eh, balance usually assumes powers, and 12-4 is around the sweet spot. Add in the inability to actually vote and the weakness of the powers and lack of clears and I don't think it really favors town.

Yeah, this is pretty rough in terms of people not doing things. My thoughts on each player on who to put in the PR spot.

Will: I think he's probably town, would give him a PR spot.

Bunny: I have to realize he'd go for the power position as either alignment. I think I'm just willing to give him the doctor/watcher position but not the JOAT. He's one of the only players trying to push the game state forward right now so if he is town, it would be good to give him a chance to prove it.

Damo: I think he's probably town, would give him a PR spot.

Bona: Ehhh, not feeling he's a town in sync with the game yet.

Bozo: Unless he reveals something, I don't want him getting it twice in a row.

Ghug: Ditto Bozo

Fluminator: Handsome and would vote for myself.

Worcej: I would give it to him. He's always hard to read so giving him a chance to prove himself if he's town would be useful on him.

Glitterbomb: Honestly, giving her the power of a PR would be so much fun considering this is her second game.

All the rest: No

I have a pretty big list of people I'll give it to, so other people need to give their lists so we can compare.

Says he would give worcej the PR because he's hard to read and needs to be cleared; buddys some other people.

##Official Roster

1 QB 1 Glitterbomb

2 RB 1 Worcej

3 RB 2 Sweet

4 WR 1 Rdr

5 WR 2 Colby

6 TE Bunnygo

7 FLEX Damo

8 D/ST Will

9 K Bona

10 I/R Kakarotto

But then votes this way...

I would vote Worcej to prevent Bunny from being Doc.

And tries to get ghug to give worcej a role

The Power Roles so far: bozotheclown, BunnyGo, ghug, damo666
I'm pretty sure there's scum in one of these but I'm not sure if I see 2 being scum. I will look more closely at them later since it will be longer, I'm interested in the less spotlighted people right now.

Col7by - scummy, his recent post about bozo and ghug not being NKed yet raised some red flags and he's had some other strange posts, like awkwardly townreading jamie right before his death. His posts seem strategic in pushing an agenda and less curiosity. He also justified not killing Kak to get a more dominant player.. who ended up being Sweet.

GlitterBomb - null, she seemed genuinely annoyed when I voted her instead of scared which I'd expect from scum, but it's looking like that might be more a personality thing about being annoyed.
But she also was actively rejected by all the current power players to be a PR. If she was scum, surely she would have gotten more support? It was me, Will, glitter herself, kak and worcej who voted her. It's possible there is a Glitter/Kak/Worcej team.

Hamilton Brian -townlean, i haven't seen anything that's caughy my eye yet and he's quite active giving his thoughts.

Kakarroto -scum, has made 4 posts.

sweetandcool -scummy, I was not understanding what felt like a bit he was doing about damo shooting will. It makes sense if it's a fake act hoping to look good when damo revealed. I also didn't like how he didn't read Kak's 4 posts to confirm if what I said about him was true or not.

worcej -null?

No we are not putting ghug and bozo back in power

Also damo in D/ST is a lil crazy

I mean damo is the running flex winner and that seems more crazy than giving him doctor lol

I was going to say I didn't notice anything until I saw this. You voted damo for flex right before posting this?

Much later, starts setting up a shade/miskill of what I'm theorizing is 4 town (bozo, ghug, bunny, damo) to help keep town from coalescing around early good work giving PRs to town.

Then goes back to saying worcej is null while bussing sweet and kaka.

Worcej/Colby/Kak/Flum?

No, but maybe almost.

Get it...it's a joke...because it is maybe almost...

##official roster

1 QB 1 Bunnygo
2 RB 1 Hamilton Brian
3 RB 2 Bozo
4 WR 1 Worcej
5 WR 2 Ghug
6 TE Colby
7 FLEX Fluminator
8 D/ST Damo
9 K Sweetandcool
10 I/R Kak

Willing to switch I/R and TE around

A bus with a hedge to get Colby instead of kaka.


There's more I didn't paste here; read for yourselves. But the progressions and then votes and hedges against those progressions look like an interesting pairing.


##vote Flum

[ghug]

Of course someone comes around to my view of the world right as I started to doubt it.

[BunnyGo]

Mech notes:

We should absolutely have a DST and TE.

The TE should be a scumspect who isn’t RBd (just to cover bases more. And the DST can choose to save them too.

If we can make the DST the QB too that’s even better

[bozotheclown]

Good to know. Are you leading for rb also?

Do you know your roster is invalid?

I don't believe for a second bozo hadn't read my corrected roster when he said this given that it's literally in his quoted post.

I assume this means you think I said it as mafia. What scum motivation would I have to say that after you had corrected your roster?

[bozotheclown]

Mech notes:

We should absolutely have a DST and TE.

The TE should be a scumspect who isn’t RBd (just to cover bases more. And the DST can choose to save them too.

If we can make the DST the QB too that’s even better

Who do you think are the mafia?

[bozotheclown]

Of course someone comes around to my view of the world right as I started to doubt it.

Why are you doubting it?

[ghug]

Do you know your roster is invalid?

I don't believe for a second bozo hadn't read my corrected roster when he said this given that it's literally in his quoted post.

I assume this means you think I said it as mafia. What scum motivation would I have to say that after you had corrected your roster?

I'm struggling to find a motivation, which has me doubting the assertion.

[ghug]

Of course someone comes around to my view of the world right as I started to doubt it.

Why are you doubting it?

Two things:
Doubting your towniness
Some assertions I had made about Kak's rosters that make Flum less likely to be scum. See my quotes of myself early in the night.

[Fluminator]

There's enough wealth of content I've provided that you can make a narrative I'm scum, but you could do that for anyone at this point. I can give you the motives behind each of those posts soon, but you're definitely wrong.