Mafia Olympics - Gold Medal Game- Fantasy Football - Official Game Thread

[Fluminator]

I say all this not to hate on bozo, though it's a pleasant side effect as I am rather annoyed at him. It's relevant in analyzing his actions.

What did bozo do that annoyed you this EOD?

[Fluminator]

It will likely be 4-2 D5, but the game does not end with a mis-kill if the mafia are in the RB slots. Towns need to vote together for there to be any chance of that, though. The I/R, RB1, and RB2 votes should all be at least 4-2, if they aren't then there is a problem.

let me elaborate:

we need to HUNT and put SCUM in I/R.

THEN we need to ASSUME I/R is TOWN and SHEEP their RB votes.

Otherwise scum will control one or the other vote.

I don't think we need to overthink this too much. We put a scum in I/R and we just make sure 2 different people are roleblocked. If we get a scum and a nightkill goes through, we have two confirmed town who can make eachother invincible and we win.
This means scum have to nokill in this scenario no matter what giving us another miskill. 5 players, 1 scum

But as I type this out I realize if there's two towns roleblocked, scum could kill a roleblock giving us only 1 clear at f4. But then if we superpower that clear and nokill it would be a tough time for scum.

Tl:dr, it's not that complicated. We just need to catch one scum in I/R and we'll be in very good shape for the last

[ghug]

Kinda more mad that we lost a the ground we gained from the flip more than anything honestly.

Failing mechs/rules this game is pretty bad considering it’s been well explained

It's also a lot to get down. Maybe it's my near brush with death, but I wasn't going to be checking back in if I hadn't gotten a warning from brain about ten minutes before EoD, and it would have killed me, so I'm sympathetic to his failing.

If you were town I think you would have realized by now that I was probably the one who made sure you got warned.

I do understand that. You'll note I pushed back against the assertion that your play around potential modkills was scummy. I don't think it was towny either, though.

[ghug]

I say all this not to hate on bozo, though it's a pleasant side effect as I am rather annoyed at him. It's relevant in analyzing his actions.

What did bozo do that annoyed you this EOD?

He caused a tie?

He's also been obstinate and irrationally scumreading me for days.

[Fluminator]

Wait, the doc protects one RB and watches the other RB. So yeah we're in good shape if we catch a scum.

We need the I/R as scum. 2 Roleblocks for two diff players. QB and Doc.
Other roles are optional

[ghug]

It will likely be 4-2 D5, but the game does not end with a mis-kill if the mafia are in the RB slots. Towns need to vote together for there to be any chance of that, though. The I/R, RB1, and RB2 votes should all be at least 4-2, if they aren't then there is a problem.

let me elaborate:

we need to HUNT and put SCUM in I/R.

THEN we need to ASSUME I/R is TOWN and SHEEP their RB votes.

Otherwise scum will control one or the other vote.

I don't think we need to overthink this too much. We put a scum in I/R and we just make sure 2 different people are roleblocked. If we get a scum and a nightkill goes through, we have two confirmed town who can make eachother invincible and we win.
This means scum have to nokill in this scenario no matter what giving us another miskill. 5 players, 1 scum

But as I type this out I realize if there's two towns roleblocked, scum could kill a roleblock giving us only 1 clear at f4. But then if we superpower that clear and nokill it would be a tough time for scum.

Tl:dr, it's not that complicated. We just need to catch one scum in I/R and we'll be in very good shape for the last

Catching scum isn't a given, unfortunately. I see three candidates. I myself am widely scumread. There's still fear of Bunny, and at least bozo seems to scumread Glitter too.

There's also nuance being lost but after spoonfeeding it to you last game and then townreading you for figuring it out, I don't think I'm gonna help.

[ghug]

Wait, the doc protects one RB and watches the other RB. So yeah we're in good shape if we catch a scum.

We need the I/R as scum. 2 Roleblocks for two diff players. QB and Doc.
Other roles are optional

Are we at the point where flex is a bad idea?

[Fluminator]

let me elaborate:

we need to HUNT and put SCUM in I/R.

THEN we need to ASSUME I/R is TOWN and SHEEP their RB votes.

Otherwise scum will control one or the other vote.

I don't think we need to overthink this too much. We put a scum in I/R and we just make sure 2 different people are roleblocked. If we get a scum and a nightkill goes through, we have two confirmed town who can make eachother invincible and we win.
This means scum have to nokill in this scenario no matter what giving us another miskill. 5 players, 1 scum

But as I type this out I realize if there's two towns roleblocked, scum could kill a roleblock giving us only 1 clear at f4. But then if we superpower that clear and nokill it would be a tough time for scum.

Tl:dr, it's not that complicated. We just need to catch one scum in I/R and we'll be in very good shape for the last

Catching scum isn't a given, unfortunately. I see three candidates. I myself am widely scumread. There's still fear of Bunny, and at least bozo seems to scumread Glitter too.

There's also nuance being lost but after spoonfeeding it to you last game and then townreading you for figuring it out, I don't think I'm gonna help.

Lmao, I was very grateful though

[Fluminator]

Wait, the doc protects one RB and watches the other RB. So yeah we're in good shape if we catch a scum.

We need the I/R as scum. 2 Roleblocks for two diff players. QB and Doc.
Other roles are optional

Are we at the point where flex is a bad idea?

Probably doesn't matter? Running scenarios where scum gets a gun and I don't see the situation being any worse

[Fluminator]

bozo: you're my best reference hunter besides our illustrious GM.

Find me any time where town!bozo tried to use a modkill against a scumspect.

I don't think town!bozo would ever try to play that way.

I certainly wouldn't play that way as mafia.

If I wanted to eliminate you by mod-kill, I wouldn't have pointed out that you were at risk of being mod-killed one hour before EOD.

D4, I pointed out that Col7by and ghug were at risk of being mod-killed as soon as I noticed they had put me at D/ST, and they were my top 2 scum reads. I did not notice that damo's roster was invalid, but it does not seem he was around anyway.

Btw Bunny, I do believe Bozo isn't trying to get people modkilled. That would be a wild strategy if he was

[Fluminator]

Oh wait, I see what people are saying. We can still win if we miskill if we RB two scum the same round, essentially giving us a freebie. Ok maybe there's more room to mechanic shenanigans

[Fluminator]

Ok I'm all caught up. Yeah we pick a scum kill. We assume they're town and sheep their roleblock votes. Great

[BunnyGo]

It will likely be 4-2 D5, but the game does not end with a mis-kill if the mafia are in the RB slots. Towns need to vote together for there to be any chance of that, though. The I/R, RB1, and RB2 votes should all be at least 4-2, if they aren't then there is a problem.

let me elaborate:

we need to HUNT and put SCUM in I/R.

THEN we need to ASSUME I/R is TOWN and SHEEP their RB votes.

Otherwise scum will control one or the other vote.

I don't think we need to overthink this too much. We put a scum in I/R and we just make sure 2 different people are roleblocked. If we get a scum and a nightkill goes through, we have two confirmed town who can make eachother invincible and we win.
This means scum have to nokill in this scenario no matter what giving us another miskill. 5 players, 1 scum

But as I type this out I realize if there's two towns roleblocked, scum could kill a roleblock giving us only 1 clear at f4. But then if we superpower that clear and nokill it would be a tough time for scum.

Tl:dr, it's not that complicated. We just need to catch one scum in I/R and we'll be in very good shape for the last

What you're missing is that scum are able to control votes.

We need all 3 town voting together to get scum into IR

We need all 3 town voting together to get scum into RB

SO:

In the case we're wrong about IR, then we need the IR to set the RB for us to protect us from losing.

[BunnyGo]

Wait, the doc protects one RB and watches the other RB. So yeah we're in good shape if we catch a scum.

We need the I/R as scum. 2 Roleblocks for two diff players. QB and Doc.
Other roles are optional

Are we at the point where flex is a bad idea?

SUPERBUNNY (TM) Never misses!

[BunnyGo]

Ok I'm all caught up. Yeah we pick a scum kill. We assume they're town and sheep their roleblock votes. Great

Oh good...you got there.

Notice how bozo didn't?

[BunnyGo]

bozo: you're my best reference hunter besides our illustrious GM.

Find me any time where town!bozo tried to use a modkill against a scumspect.

I don't think town!bozo would ever try to play that way.

I certainly wouldn't play that way as mafia.

If I wanted to eliminate you by mod-kill, I wouldn't have pointed out that you were at risk of being mod-killed one hour before EOD.

D4, I pointed out that Col7by and ghug were at risk of being mod-killed as soon as I noticed they had put me at D/ST, and they were my top 2 scum reads. I did not notice that damo's roster was invalid, but it does not seem he was around anyway.

Btw Bunny, I do believe Bozo isn't trying to get people modkilled. That would be a wild strategy if he was

He admitted he hoped I would...

It's not that he's TRYING to; he just doesn't mind as much if it happens (see: Jamie for comparison)

[BunnyGo]

OK...errands, and then I procrastinate by spamming the GT with a reread of the game!!

Woot woot!

[Col7by]

Also - fuck ghug for trying to make a scum connection for that.

bozo/ghug is currently my leading contender.

But we're at the stage where I need to go back and reread the game to try and solve with current knowledge.

But it's 2 AM...gotta go back to sleep.

It’s funny cause this was my first theory of the game

[Col7by]

I think between I/R and RBs you all need to put bozo bunny and ghug. It’s almost always those three since they’ve had the most interaction this game

[BunnyGo]

I think between I/R and RBs you all need to put bozo bunny and ghug. It’s almost always those three since they’ve had the most interaction this game

This is a strange take. Could three town not be arguing and having trouble collaborating?

Which of those three do YOU actually scumread?