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[ghug]

Flum, worcej, Glitter I think, bozo, Bunny's been tending that direction.

Oh true Bunny and Bozo. Not strongly though? Glitter is making up her reads, they make zero sense.

Ok now that’s rude. I have not been making them up at all. I have PAGES of notes written out. And I’ve put a ton of thought into my reads. But isn’t this basically a guessing game anyway? I mean, you’ve been declaring specific players very strongly and adamantly as town and I have t exactly seen the proof from you.

Post your notes!

[ghug]

Isn't that part of the problem to you though?

Do I think it's bad for town? Yes.

Do I think it's scum motivated? Not really.

I went with bozo as qb for the D1 vote which was a consensus. But also, I’ve been trying to read people based on who I put where. Contrary to what sweet says, my reads and my rosters have been VERY intentional!!! And another thing on the concept of consensus…. Im so wary of that bc how do I know I’m not just joining in with the mafia? I don’t. So yes, a lot of times I think it’s good to be a bit of an independent thinker and I don’t think that’s bad for town.

Independent thinking is awesome. My issue is that you've been very "set it and leave it". I'm feeling like there's a lot to be gleaned from the debating and consensus building, and if you're not involved in that, you're making it harder for people and you're costing your team a meaningful vote.

[GlitterBomb]

Oh true Bunny and Bozo. Not strongly though? Glitter is making up her reads, they make zero sense.

Ok now that’s rude. I have not been making them up at all. I have PAGES of notes written out. And I’ve put a ton of thought into my reads. But isn’t this basically a guessing game anyway? I mean, you’ve been declaring specific players very strongly and adamantly as town and I have t exactly seen the proof from you.

Post your notes!

I translated most of them (or at least the condensed highlights) into my massive lists from a few nights ago. I still stand firm on Sweet and Bunny. Sweet has been adamant about defending Bunny and Col7by.

[GlitterBomb]

Do I think it's bad for town? Yes.

Do I think it's scum motivated? Not really.

I went with bozo as qb for the D1 vote which was a consensus. But also, I’ve been trying to read people based on who I put where. Contrary to what sweet says, my reads and my rosters have been VERY intentional!!! And another thing on the concept of consensus…. Im so wary of that bc how do I know I’m not just joining in with the mafia? I don’t. So yes, a lot of times I think it’s good to be a bit of an independent thinker and I don’t think that’s bad for town.

Independent thinking is awesome. My issue is that you've been very "set it and leave it". I'm feeling like there's a lot to be gleaned from the debating and consensus building, and if you're not involved in that, you're making it harder for people and you're costing your team a meaningful vote.

Fair. I’ve been trying to engage as much as possible. But also maybe “lurking” a bit as wel because I’m trying to take it all in. I don’t know these players yet. I have nothing to go off of. So I’ve been trying to observe to connect dots.

Like for instance with Kak… I don’t know if his behavior in this game has happened before and it’s an MO for him or if life just truly got in the way. Based on his posts (I know, I take them with a grain of salt) it seemed like Kak was following along this whole time but just contributing a bit and blaming life. I’m trying to take in behaviors and interactions and at least participating when I come up. But also, I have spent a ton of time on some posts and barely get anything from them at all. So idk…

[ghug]

Ok now that’s rude. I have not been making them up at all. I have PAGES of notes written out. And I’ve put a ton of thought into my reads. But isn’t this basically a guessing game anyway? I mean, you’ve been declaring specific players very strongly and adamantly as town and I have t exactly seen the proof from you.

Post your notes!

I translated most of them (or at least the condensed highlights) into my massive lists from a few nights ago. I still stand firm on Sweet and Bunny. Sweet has been adamant about defending Bunny and Col7by.

Just post them raw right now. It'd be very helpful to see your thought processes.

[ghug]

I went with bozo as qb for the D1 vote which was a consensus. But also, I’ve been trying to read people based on who I put where. Contrary to what sweet says, my reads and my rosters have been VERY intentional!!! And another thing on the concept of consensus…. Im so wary of that bc how do I know I’m not just joining in with the mafia? I don’t. So yes, a lot of times I think it’s good to be a bit of an independent thinker and I don’t think that’s bad for town.

Independent thinking is awesome. My issue is that you've been very "set it and leave it". I'm feeling like there's a lot to be gleaned from the debating and consensus building, and if you're not involved in that, you're making it harder for people and you're costing your team a meaningful vote.

Fair. I’ve been trying to engage as much as possible. But also maybe “lurking” a bit as wel because I’m trying to take it all in. I don’t know these players yet. I have nothing to go off of. So I’ve been trying to observe to connect dots.

Like for instance with Kak… I don’t know if his behavior in this game has happened before and it’s an MO for him or if life just truly got in the way. Based on his posts (I know, I take them with a grain of salt) it seemed like Kak was following along this whole time but just contributing a bit and blaming life. I’m trying to take in behaviors and interactions and at least participating when I come up. But also, I have spent a ton of time on some posts and barely get anything from them at all. So idk…

Sure, I'm not trying to pass judgement on you. This is a big game with a weird setup and a very accomplished scum ringleader in Fluminator, and your first games here can be challenging without any of those things. The best thing you can do is catch scum. The next best thing you can do is convince us you're town, and one way to do that is to get involved and share more of your thoughts. Might help you learn who we are quicker too.

[GlitterBomb]

Independent thinking is awesome. My issue is that you've been very "set it and leave it". I'm feeling like there's a lot to be gleaned from the debating and consensus building, and if you're not involved in that, you're making it harder for people and you're costing your team a meaningful vote.

Fair. I’ve been trying to engage as much as possible. But also maybe “lurking” a bit as wel because I’m trying to take it all in. I don’t know these players yet. I have nothing to go off of. So I’ve been trying to observe to connect dots.

Like for instance with Kak… I don’t know if his behavior in this game has happened before and it’s an MO for him or if life just truly got in the way. Based on his posts (I know, I take them with a grain of salt) it seemed like Kak was following along this whole time but just contributing a bit and blaming life. I’m trying to take in behaviors and interactions and at least participating when I come up. But also, I have spent a ton of time on some posts and barely get anything from them at all. So idk…

Sure, I'm not trying to pass judgement on you. This is a big game with a weird setup and a very accomplished scum ringleader in Fluminator, and your first games here can be challenging without any of those things. The best thing you can do is catch scum. The next best thing you can do is convince us you're town, and one way to do that is to get involved and share more of your thoughts. Might help you learn who we are quicker too.

I have tried so hard. I was obviously town read my first game (which was right) and the overwhelming feedback was that I wasn’t opinionated enough. So now I’ve come out pretty intensely with my opinions and often times not having hard facts but just vibes and observations. But I can’t really justify posting more than I have been and perhaps this game demands more posting than I’m capable of if it’s a dis-service to town.

[sweetandcool]

Flum, worcej, Glitter I think, bozo, Bunny's been tending that direction.

Oh true Bunny and Bozo. Not strongly though? Glitter is making up her reads, they make zero sense.

Ok now that’s rude. I have not been making them up at all. I have PAGES of notes written out. And I’ve put a ton of thought into my reads. But isn’t this basically a guessing game anyway? I mean, you’ve been declaring specific players very strongly and adamantly as town and I have t exactly seen the proof from you.

Oh wow, hello nice to meet you.

Thank you for addressing me.

I have not asked you for "proof" not an "essay", not even a compelling argument. I have asked you to elaborate your thinking because you have been spouting wild theories about a team of Bunny, Colby, damo, and sweetandcool and you've never explained them once. And then later I think you randomly said Bunny was Town.

I just want to know what the hell you are thinking rather than being given the cold shoulder treatment. It's uncalled for.

You are right, I have not had the time to do intensive analysis and I know what I have done has been "shallow". However I am confident in some of my reads and I don't think I do need much more than intuition to be confident in those reads.

[sweetandcool]

Possible. I don't know. Do you?

Yeah I think there is a strong chance it is Glitterbomb. Severely doubt it is Bunny.

Even if he is being a bit theatrical right now.

Your strong chance is wrong. Why do you think it’s bunny? Because he posts allllll the time and asks a million questions of everyone just like you? I barely get reactions from my posts I spend hours thinking out. Strongly suspicious if you two as a scum our, have been and continue to be.

Hahaha baseless assumptions about why I Town read Bunny, how funny.

If you think posting a lot and asking a million questions is what gets you Townread then you must think brainbomb is invincible at this game or something.

Bunny is not locktown to me but I think likely Town. Mafia Bunny is highly comes across as having an agenda, which I haven't seen this game. His little waffling about ghug also seems very genuine, rather than setting up an eventual turnabout on ghug to get a MK.

[sweetandcool]

Maybe it's Bunny sweet col7by.

I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS!!!

You realize you are quoting damo, the guy you lumped into the team before Kak flipped. What happened to that?

[sweetandcool]

Isn't that part of the problem to you though?

Do I think it's bad for town? Yes.

Do I think it's scum motivated? Not really.

I went with bozo as qb for the D1 vote which was a consensus. But also, I’ve been trying to read people based on who I put where. Contrary to what sweet says, my reads and my rosters have been VERY intentional!!! And another thing on the concept of consensus…. Im so wary of that bc how do I know I’m not just joining in with the mafia? I don’t. So yes, a lot of times I think it’s good to be a bit of an independent thinker and I don’t think that’s bad for town.

Yay, I scored a mention! And I'm not even deliberately provoking you like some of the other asshats.

Generally agree with this sentiment. Doesn't move the needle at all though.

[sweetandcool]

Ok now that’s rude. I have not been making them up at all. I have PAGES of notes written out. And I’ve put a ton of thought into my reads. But isn’t this basically a guessing game anyway? I mean, you’ve been declaring specific players very strongly and adamantly as town and I have t exactly seen the proof from you.

Post your notes!

I translated most of them (or at least the condensed highlights) into my massive lists from a few nights ago. I still stand firm on Sweet and Bunny. Sweet has been adamant about defending Bunny and Col7by.

You need to be part of the conversation. There is nothing wrong with massive posts, but if you don't interact then you are detached, and that makes it hard for anyone to assess you or get a feel for the dynamics of your thinking.

Instead it just comes across as you spewing random things.

Especially when you suggest damo, Bunny, sweetandcool, and Colby as the scum team XD

[ghug]

For real glitter, post your notes, and then make your notes in the thread instead.

[damo666]

@ghug Kak strongly suggested Bozo and Flum scum and Bunny and me town. How many do you reckon he was telling the truth about?

[ghug]

@ghug Kak strongly suggested Bozo and Flum scum and Bunny and me town. How many do you reckon he was telling the truth about?

Expected value is 2 but I could easily seeing it be one or three.

Flum really feels in my bones like a bus. I'm doubting that both you and Bunny are town, which is the big change in my opinion since the flip.

[GlitterBomb]

Oh true Bunny and Bozo. Not strongly though? Glitter is making up her reads, they make zero sense.

Ok now that’s rude. I have not been making them up at all. I have PAGES of notes written out. And I’ve put a ton of thought into my reads. But isn’t this basically a guessing game anyway? I mean, you’ve been declaring specific players very strongly and adamantly as town and I have t exactly seen the proof from you.

Oh wow, hello nice to meet you.

Thank you for addressing me.

I have not asked you for "proof" not an "essay", not even a compelling argument. I have asked you to elaborate your thinking because you have been spouting wild theories about a team of Bunny, Colby, damo, and sweetandcool and you've never explained them once. And then later I think you randomly said Bunny was Town.

I just want to know what the hell you are thinking rather than being given the cold shoulder treatment. It's uncalled for.

You are right, I have not had the time to do intensive analysis and I know what I have done has been "shallow". However I am confident in some of my reads and I don't think I do need much more than intuition to be confident in those reads.

Uncalled for? Hardly. Never intended to give anyone the cold shoulder treatment and was not intentionally ignoring you or any questions. Definitely have missed some, yes. I had to speed read through a bunch yesterday bc it was a very long and stressful work day so again, not intentionally blowing you off.

And you did demand for me to explain using at least a paragraph of reasoning. And for that I had to compile my thoughts and not be distracted. So I may not have been directly quoting back your posts but I was reactive and responsive. Clearly need to work on that though.

And I don’t think my theories are that shallow. Why is my gut less reliable than yours? Bc you don’t know me?

[GlitterBomb]

For real glitter, post your notes, and then make your notes in the thread instead.

I will figure out how to do that tomorrow. And I have been streamlining my notes in the thread. But I’m a chaotic thinker. And visual. Lots of arrows and circles and such. You all don’t like my conclusions thus far, the notes probably aren’t gonna help my case. But I have nothing to hide so like I said, I will figure it out tomorrow!

[GlitterBomb]

Maybe it's Bunny sweet col7by.

I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS!!!

You realize you are quoting damo, the guy you lumped into the team before Kak flipped. What happened to that?

Yes. I understand that. I also said I didn’t feel like I had a good enough read on Kak because of how little he posted. Damo is all over the place as a player in my limited experience with him. And I don’t think his actions necessarily automatically make him scum. I think they make him an over-analyzer.

And to your earlier point which I’m not finding about me changing my mind in bunny…. People are changing their minds all the time. I don’t believe I ever said I thought he was town. I did however vote for him in a PR to see what reactions that generated.

[sweetandcool]

Ok now that’s rude. I have not been making them up at all. I have PAGES of notes written out. And I’ve put a ton of thought into my reads. But isn’t this basically a guessing game anyway? I mean, you’ve been declaring specific players very strongly and adamantly as town and I have t exactly seen the proof from you.

Oh wow, hello nice to meet you.

Thank you for addressing me.

I have not asked you for "proof" not an "essay", not even a compelling argument. I have asked you to elaborate your thinking because you have been spouting wild theories about a team of Bunny, Colby, damo, and sweetandcool and you've never explained them once. And then later I think you randomly said Bunny was Town.

I just want to know what the hell you are thinking rather than being given the cold shoulder treatment. It's uncalled for.

You are right, I have not had the time to do intensive analysis and I know what I have done has been "shallow". However I am confident in some of my reads and I don't think I do need much more than intuition to be confident in those reads.

Uncalled for? Hardly. Never intended to give anyone the cold shoulder treatment and was not intentionally ignoring you or any questions. Definitely have missed some, yes. I had to speed read through a bunch yesterday bc it was a very long and stressful work day so again, not intentionally blowing you off.

And you did demand for me to explain using at least a paragraph of reasoning. And for that I had to compile my thoughts and not be distracted. So I may not have been directly quoting back your posts but I was reactive and responsive. Clearly need to work on that though.

And I don’t think my theories are that shallow. Why is my gut less reliable than yours? Bc you don’t know me?

I guess it is my fault. What I mean by use at least a paragraph, is just to please explain rather than assert.

It's surprising how poor people can be at communication their thoughts, but maybe that is intentional.

I never claimed your thoughts were shallow. But your elaboration on them are non-existent.

Ugh let me check the bot, this will be embarrassing if I am wrong. But you have never addressed me, which makes me sad, when I have addressed you.

I just know that the team you propose is absolutely wild and as far as I can tell can only be justified by an excess of extreme paranoia over bussing.

[sweetandcool]

I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS!!!

You realize you are quoting damo, the guy you lumped into the team before Kak flipped. What happened to that?

Yes. I understand that. I also said I didn’t feel like I had a good enough read on Kak because of how little he posted. Damo is all over the place as a player in my limited experience with him. And I don’t think his actions necessarily automatically make him scum. I think they make him an over-analyzer.

And to your earlier point which I’m not finding about me changing my mind in bunny…. People are changing their minds all the time. I don’t believe I ever said I thought he was town. I did however vote for him in a PR to see what reactions that generated.

That's what I was talking about. Voting them into PR indicates quite a bit of trust.

Changing your mind is fine. It's important to explain why you changed your mind. It doesn't need to be an essay, but it needs to be something.

E.g. Wow I thought Bunny was scum because he's useless and confusing with all his questions, but then we put him into a PR slot and he shot Mafia. Wow, I must have been wrong about him, he is a Townread now.

Rather than:

Glitterbomb: Bunny is scum and these are his scummates.
sweetandcool: Wow that is a wild group, why do you think that?
Glitterbomb:...................
Glitterbomb: Bunny is Town.
sweetandcool: ??????