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[bozotheclown]

If BunnyGo is going to get mod-killed, we probably don't want to make him a PR.

strange post. but probably an honest one. Also if he was worried about me getting modkilled, he could have called me with a ##SUPERBUNNY

@bozo: were you worried about me modkilled? Did you not notice me checking in? Why not get my attention and help me post a valid roster?

No, I think there is a reasonable chance you are mafia, and was therefore OK with you getting mod-killed.

In my opinion, you should have been mod-killed since Haze and TheFlyingBoat were, because you failed to enter a roster in the proper format. You could have come back and posted 2 additional rosters and argued that your first one was not meant to be official and that you deliberately used the wrong format as was your right if you thought it could gain you an advantage.

[BunnyGo]

I have full confidence Bunny will be back in time. I had full confidence TFB was not going to be lol.

@Flum: you were under the impression that I had not fulfilled my obligation to vote.

You also were presumably aware (since it had been posted several times) that I was not checking the thread except to search for ##SUPERBUNNY. Did you think I was going to be back in time to vote despite saying I wouldn't?

[BunnyGo]

If BunnyGo is going to get mod-killed, we probably don't want to make him a PR.

strange post. but probably an honest one. Also if he was worried about me getting modkilled, he could have called me with a ##SUPERBUNNY

@bozo: were you worried about me modkilled? Did you not notice me checking in? Why not get my attention and help me post a valid roster?

No, I think there is a reasonable chance you are mafia, and was therefore OK with you getting mod-killed.

In my opinion, you should have been mod-killed since Haze and TheFlyingBoat were, because you failed to enter a roster in the proper format. You could have come back and posted 2 additional rosters and argued that your first one was not meant to be official and that you deliberately used the wrong format as was your right if you thought it could gain you an advantage.

Are you surprised that none of my supposed scummates tried to get my attention about it?

[Col7by]

why tf could any of that possibly matter?

Was ghug LYING about what he did N1?

Do you think ghug has ACTUAL intel on something besides tracking bozo?

Do you think bozo has actual intel on having watched or saved someone targeted and DIDN'T tell us?!

If not...it's all a big nothing burger and I'd like you to elaborate on your thought progression.

Great questions that’s why I think it would be good. There is literally no reason to hide the info unless you have info. Then if you have info you have to strategically reveal it. At the minimum you can catch someone in a lot of bozo says something and ghug has different info. Maybe they could be hiding intel but we don’t know yet. What is the point of leaving crumbs if you’re never going to use them. Feels fishy

I MEAN YOU!!

why can you not answer a question in a way that is actually explaining what is going through your head?! You're better than this! Please provide answers to the questions put to you.

I’m nervous that bozo and ghug are a scum pair and covering for each other and that bozo wasted the doc save on someone with no chance of dying and watched someone that had no business being watched (I would think someone like Kak and RDR are examples since they have minimal impact.
If bozo watched someone who wasn’t doing any killing then we should maybe switch off them if mafia have to lock in the same person to announce their kills.
Why bozo watched/saved the people around interesting to see their thought process and see if it aligns with everything they said this game

[Fluminator]

I have full confidence Bunny will be back in time. I had full confidence TFB was not going to be lol.

@Flum: you were under the impression that I had not fulfilled my obligation to vote.

You also were presumably aware (since it had been posted several times) that I was not checking the thread except to search for ##SUPERBUNNY. Did you think I was going to be back in time to vote despite saying I wouldn't?

I was going off the google doc and forgot you made a faulty submission. (I didn't even catch it was faulty). I may have been more concerned had I registered you made a submission that didn't count.

[Fluminator]

I was saying we gave the doctor role (D/ST) to a player I suspect is mafia. I am not sure of your alignment, but if I had more time at EOD, I would have broken the tie to make you QB.

How much time would you have needed do you think?

Approximately 2 minutes.

This is such a weird answer bozo. You posted "it's tied" at 2 minutes before deadline. So you did have 2 minutes.

[BunnyGo]

Great questions that’s why I think it would be good. There is literally no reason to hide the info unless you have info. Then if you have info you have to strategically reveal it. At the minimum you can catch someone in a lot of bozo says something and ghug has different info. Maybe they could be hiding intel but we don’t know yet. What is the point of leaving crumbs if you’re never going to use them. Feels fishy

I MEAN YOU!!

why can you not answer a question in a way that is actually explaining what is going through your head?! You're better than this! Please provide answers to the questions put to you.

I’m nervous that bozo and ghug are a scum pair and covering for each other and that bozo wasted the doc save on someone with no chance of dying and watched someone that had no business being watched (I would think someone like Kak and RDR are examples since they have minimal impact.
If bozo watched someone who wasn’t doing any killing then we should maybe switch off them if mafia have to lock in the same person to announce their kills.
Why bozo watched/saved the people around interesting to see their thought process and see if it aligns with everything they said this game

Thank you. OK...so you believe:

1) ghug and bozo are both worrying as scum
2) The two of them knew jamie would die and ghug taunted jamie about it
3) The two of them (and their teammates!) didn't consider how bozo and ghug would choose their targets and how they'd explain it


so

4) if only they would make it plain, then you'd catch them in their unprepared and obvious lies

Also, to clarify further:

A) bozo watched someone who didn't kill Jamie, except the watcher sees who else visits them; this is YET ANOTHER townslip by you, and at this point it feels forced

Did I restate your words as you intended?

[BunnyGo]

strange post. but probably an honest one. Also if he was worried about me getting modkilled, he could have called me with a ##SUPERBUNNY

@bozo: were you worried about me modkilled? Did you not notice me checking in? Why not get my attention and help me post a valid roster?

No, I think there is a reasonable chance you are mafia, and was therefore OK with you getting mod-killed.

In my opinion, you should have been mod-killed since Haze and TheFlyingBoat were, because you failed to enter a roster in the proper format. You could have come back and posted 2 additional rosters and argued that your first one was not meant to be official and that you deliberately used the wrong format as was your right if you thought it could gain you an advantage.

Are you surprised that none of my supposed scummates tried to get my attention about it?

Even when I posted "I'm not seeing anything new" and "What do you need? I may not be able to put in new orders"?

[Col7by]

Walk me through that.

Give me a detailed example of (say) scum!kaka as Watcher or scum!damo as FLEX or scum!Bunny as Doctor getting caught in lies.

What did they ACTUALLY do

What did they SAY they did

What lies do you catch that having them as scum PRs set them up

If they are scum and get vig shot we can really hound them on why they shot that person and following other reasoning throughout to see if it a purposeful miskill. Maybe if someone is a watcher as scum and watches someone else we can find out if the scum said they watched someone when they didn’t. Could catch them in lies. Scum only want the power to keep it away from the town not because they actually need it. So if we give it to them it also can lead to us getting info from finding out they need to waste it

But there's NO REASON to lie!

"I scumread them so I shot them" is an easy lie to set up. For the rest:

"I watched someone who wasn't the nightkill"

"I watched someone the tracker visited...I can happily confirm they did what they said"

"I saved my best guess as to the night kill"

WHY LIE?!

But people’s words are different than actions. I could be scum and saying I scum read bozo so when bozo flips I can see I told you. But if I Vig shot bozo and bozo flips scum you can almost guarantee my town unlike just using my words.
The whole point of this game is lying if you are scum sometimes you just have to that seems like such an odd question for this game

[bozotheclown]

@bozo: I'm curious how you differently value these powers and how to assign them

I watched and protected 2 players I thought might be NKed. I thought the mafia would want to eliminate one of the players who was interested in coordinating the PR voting, and I think Jamie was one of those, but unfortunately not one I chose to target.

That doesn't answer my question in the slightest, but is good insight.

In addition to my original question; what's your opinion on a COMBINED watcher/healer using both on the same player vs. spreading them around?

If you want a ranking, I think the watcher is better than the doctor. I also thought it was better to have 2 chances to hit the mafia NK, especially since I did not know who the mafia were.

[Col7by]

I MEAN YOU!!

why can you not answer a question in a way that is actually explaining what is going through your head?! You're better than this! Please provide answers to the questions put to you.

I’m nervous that bozo and ghug are a scum pair and covering for each other and that bozo wasted the doc save on someone with no chance of dying and watched someone that had no business being watched (I would think someone like Kak and RDR are examples since they have minimal impact.
If bozo watched someone who wasn’t doing any killing then we should maybe switch off them if mafia have to lock in the same person to announce their kills.
Why bozo watched/saved the people around interesting to see their thought process and see if it aligns with everything they said this game

Thank you. OK...so you believe:

1) ghug and bozo are both worrying as scum
2) The two of them knew jamie would die and ghug taunted jamie about it
3) The two of them (and their teammates!) didn't consider how bozo and ghug would choose their targets and how they'd explain it


so

4) if only they would make it plain, then you'd catch them in their unprepared and obvious lies

Also, to clarify further:

A) bozo watched someone who didn't kill Jamie, except the watcher sees who else visits them; this is YET ANOTHER townslip by you, and at this point it feels forced

Did I restate your words as you intended?

That is my primary worry sure. Not sure what A means doesn’t watcher see what happens to the person they watch? Why hold the info? Why? Could be something useful literally anything from revealing? I think holding info in anyway is anti-town UNLESS scum benefit from knowing and you need to wait for some reason.

[bozotheclown]

How much time would you have needed do you think?

Approximately 2 minutes.

This is such a weird answer bozo. You posted "it's tied" at 2 minutes before deadline. So you did have 2 minutes.

Yes, I already accounted for those 2 minutes, I meant I would have needed approximately 2 additional minutes. I spent the first minute waiting for you to put ghug at QB.

[ghug]

Bona, Flum, Colby, worcej anointing damo as flex with very little discussion makes me uncomfortable.

agreed. If damo is scum, do you think they'd be this blatant? We know Bona was town and just backing his reads/opinions. Flum/Col7by/worcej?

Is Flum always this trolly? He was pretty much in the last game where he was scum.

He's always pretty trolly. I'd say probably moreso when he's town. I'm not feeling great about him right now.

[BunnyGo]

I watched and protected 2 players I thought might be NKed. I thought the mafia would want to eliminate one of the players who was interested in coordinating the PR voting, and I think Jamie was one of those, but unfortunately not one I chose to target.

That doesn't answer my question in the slightest, but is good insight.

In addition to my original question; what's your opinion on a COMBINED watcher/healer using both on the same player vs. spreading them around?

If you want a ranking, I think the watcher is better than the doctor. I also thought it was better to have 2 chances to hit the mafia NK, especially since I did not know who the mafia were.

Watcher > doctor because can see a confirmed scum/vig if sees the kill (unless tracker also went in which case one of two) and also has chance of seeing tracker.

But doctor just saves a night kill without other intel? But does get a near townclear (unless the vig claims the shot; or the mafia intentionally burn a nightkill for a townclear when they're the doctor)

Is that right?

[bozotheclown]

I’m nervous that bozo and ghug are a scum pair and covering for each other and that bozo wasted the doc save on someone with no chance of dying and watched someone that had no business being watched (I would think someone like Kak and RDR are examples since they have minimal impact.
If bozo watched someone who wasn’t doing any killing then we should maybe switch off them if mafia have to lock in the same person to announce their kills.
Why bozo watched/saved the people around interesting to see their thought process and see if it aligns with everything they said this game

Thank you. OK...so you believe:

1) ghug and bozo are both worrying as scum
2) The two of them knew jamie would die and ghug taunted jamie about it
3) The two of them (and their teammates!) didn't consider how bozo and ghug would choose their targets and how they'd explain it


so

4) if only they would make it plain, then you'd catch them in their unprepared and obvious lies

Also, to clarify further:

A) bozo watched someone who didn't kill Jamie, except the watcher sees who else visits them; this is YET ANOTHER townslip by you, and at this point it feels forced

Did I restate your words as you intended?

That is my primary worry sure. Not sure what A means doesn’t watcher see what happens to the person they watch? Why hold the info? Why? Could be something useful literally anything from revealing? I think holding info in anyway is anti-town UNLESS scum benefit from knowing and you need to wait for some reason.

Do you still think BunnyGo town?

[BunnyGo]

I’m nervous that bozo and ghug are a scum pair and covering for each other and that bozo wasted the doc save on someone with no chance of dying and watched someone that had no business being watched (I would think someone like Kak and RDR are examples since they have minimal impact.
If bozo watched someone who wasn’t doing any killing then we should maybe switch off them if mafia have to lock in the same person to announce their kills.
Why bozo watched/saved the people around interesting to see their thought process and see if it aligns with everything they said this game

Thank you. OK...so you believe:

1) ghug and bozo are both worrying as scum
2) The two of them knew jamie would die and ghug taunted jamie about it
3) The two of them (and their teammates!) didn't consider how bozo and ghug would choose their targets and how they'd explain it


so

4) if only they would make it plain, then you'd catch them in their unprepared and obvious lies

Also, to clarify further:

A) bozo watched someone who didn't kill Jamie, except the watcher sees who else visits them; this is YET ANOTHER townslip by you, and at this point it feels forced

Did I restate your words as you intended?

That is my primary worry sure. Not sure what A means doesn’t watcher see what happens to the person they watch? Why hold the info? Why? Could be something useful literally anything from revealing? I think holding info in anyway is anti-town UNLESS scum benefit from knowing and you need to wait for some reason.

Your post suggested the watcher was a tracker skill who would watch the killer

[BunnyGo]

No, I think there is a reasonable chance you are mafia, and was therefore OK with you getting mod-killed.

In my opinion, you should have been mod-killed since Haze and TheFlyingBoat were, because you failed to enter a roster in the proper format. You could have come back and posted 2 additional rosters and argued that your first one was not meant to be official and that you deliberately used the wrong format as was your right if you thought it could gain you an advantage.

Are you surprised that none of my supposed scummates tried to get my attention about it?

Even when I posted "I'm not seeing anything new" and "What do you need? I may not be able to put in new orders"?

@bozo: bumping in case you missed it

[ghug]

I could get behind that as well.

I just don't know why we're flinging all over the place. I thought we had decent representatives in the slots that matter.

The flinging is the only thing that's happened all day that might be useful info down the road lol.

towniest Flum post yet. sad

He backed it up by not really participating in it, though.

[bozotheclown]

Why did you choose Kakarroto over TFB for the DK vote?

I had no reason to want to vote TFB; kaka’s posts didn’t seem like the town!kaka I know. But at this point I’m actually just worried about our friend not showing up.

You said Kakarroto's "posts", but at the time you entered that roster, Kakarroto had only posted once. Can you elaborate on how that one post differed from what you would expect from Kakarroto as town?

This is a question where I have been waiting for an answer.

[Hamilton Brian]

I watched and protected 2 players I thought might be NKed. I thought the mafia would want to eliminate one of the players who was interested in coordinating the PR voting, and I think Jamie was one of those, but unfortunately not one I chose to target.

That doesn't answer my question in the slightest, but is good insight.

In addition to my original question; what's your opinion on a COMBINED watcher/healer using both on the same player vs. spreading them around?

If you want a ranking, I think the watcher is better than the doctor. I also thought it was better to have 2 chances to hit the mafia NK, especially since I did not know who the mafia were.

I am not sure how we should treat these gratuitous Ï don't know who mafia are"posts. They come off as really forced and superfluous. I've done it as either alignment but I don't think you really needed to add that line bozo. If you're town, we know you don't know. If you're mafia, we know you're going to lie to us.