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[ghug]

This is literally just ruling out people who didn’t agree with putting bozo in power

Again, bozo damo team makes a lot of sense in this scenario

Bad post by damo

Dividing the PRs is just straight up bad play too.

What roles would you have together? doc and flex?

I think the way we did it was the best way.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Towncasing myself here; Do we think I would propose the two power compromise as mafia? No. I would just let town argue for days

[ghug]

Towncasing myself here; Do we think I would propose the two power compromise as mafia? No. I would just let town argue for days

Eh, town was lovely to argue for days anyway.

[sweetandcool]

Roster analysis (ignoring first if a subsequent one posted)

In chronological order

worcej - had bozo as RB1 and ghug on bench, me as I/R, plenty of time to resubmit but didn't. Bit suspicious.

damo - early 2nd roster with Bozo as QB, ghug as Flex, TFB as I/R. Flum as doc but this was before the bozo doc consensus

rdr - bozo QB, ghug flex, himself as doc, me as I/R didn't update, reasonable

Col7by - Bunny as QB, me Flex, Jamie doc, bozo TE, Bona as I/R - tad eccentric

ghug - first person to put bozo as doc; put himself as flex, kak as I/R, bunny as QB is curious as it put bunny on 2 votes slightly threatening bozo. I wonder why ghug didn't put someone more inoccous as QB

glit - bozo as QB, ghug as flex, flum as doc (putting Flum on 2), tfb as I/R ok I guess

bozo - himself as doc, ghug as flex, tfb I/R - fine

Bona - himself as QB, ghug as RB1!!, rdr as flex, worcej as doc, Will I/R. Highly individual and anti-consensus

Bunny - himself as RB1 to lessen the risk of Bozo getting that slot, sweet as QB (fine), ghug Flex, bozo doc, kak I/R - very much enabling the consensus

Kak - bozo as WR1 is odd, glit as QB, worcej flex, Bunny doc, Flum I/R - anti consensus

Ham - glit QB, bunny RB1 putting bunny to 4 (good), Jamie flex, bozo doc, Kak I/R - pro bozo anti ghug

sweet - bunny as QB putting him to 3 putting pressure on bozo, kak as flex, bozo doc, tfnb I/R - pro bozo anti ghug

Will - Jamie QB, bozo WR1?, himself TE (scum knowing this was safe?), worcej flex, bunny doc, ftb I/R - against the consensus although not endangering it

Flum - worcej QB (safe), ghug Flex, bozo doc, tfb I/R - very pro consensus

bozo - Flum QB safe, ghug flex, himself doc, tfb I/R - fine

Thank you for this.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Towncasing myself here; Do we think I would propose the two power compromise as mafia? No. I would just let town argue for days

Eh, town was lovely to argue for days anyway.

>:(

[sweetandcool]

I think we should have 3 different people in the 3 PR roles and not ghug or bozo to play safe.

I think worcej, Col7by, Bona and Kak rule themselves out by their D1 rosters and to a lesser extent Ham, sweet and Will.

This leaves rdr, glitterbomb, bunny, Flum and myself.

I propose Bunny as QB, rdr as doc and Flum as Flex.

I would put Will or Col7by as TE and bona as I/R.

I will not put up an official roster until ghug and bozo have declared.

This is literally just ruling out people who didn’t agree with putting bozo in power

Again, bozo damo team makes a lot of sense in this scenario

Bad post by damo

I agree that I don't like this.

[sweetandcool]

@sweet i agree with your line of thinking about COlby however I find some of the stuff he does a little hard to fake as scum

Some stuff he says just feels authentic. I just think instead of him just being scummy, hes just not able to get his point across well this game (which i feel for since im the same)

@worcej, really just this post.

Admittedly it's a small sample size, but I'm willing to stake my read on it.

Weak. I know I’ve had more than this XD

I still haven't read your D1 yet.

[Hamilton Brian]

Interesting proposition. Is this you assuming ghug had a vig shot? Did he? Ah, possible in that FLEX role. So ghug will be claiming what thing he had, and does vig get to holster? But then they lose that power if not voted into the same role the following day, right? So ghug had something, but we don't know some things.

Tell me, col7by, why this might be a setup of Bunny?

Ghug seems to have claimed the vig shot and that’s what we need to do in the aftermath see if it’s true. Jamie and bunny seemed to be aligned if I remember correctly (along with others?) on some thinking so it looks like it could make Jamie and these other people appear like a team. Just don’t remember who exactly

So, you think ghug shot Jamie within seconds of learning his Flex power and mafia holstered or also targeted Jamie.

Right.

What are you implying with your "Right?"

[Kakarroto]

Catching up a bit, saw a lot of people asked for me. I'm somewhat fine, just not feeling too good right now. Heavy temperature drop and a snow warning for the inner city made me crawl up in my bed. Didn't feel too good before that and said so last game (I think it was my last ingame post, somewhere at the end), though I didn't plan to do so little at first. But I had stuff to do and just didn't feel to say much to the heavy meach discussion and the cold drove me away, so yeah.

I'm a bit surprised how that day went though. When I went to bed, I thought I was dead. Don't know how to think about that exactly. Mafia wouldn't want to look bad on misvoting me, I guess, but I was an easy extra target with how TFB didn't vote. But town wouldn't bother too much to misvote a town on day one anyway? I'll have to think more about that, but for now, I'll trust my first gut there.

so here for now my first vote, so ##official roster

1 QB 1 (one shot watcher) - glitterbomb

2 RB 1 (rb'ed) - bozo

3 RB 2 (rb'ed) - sweet

4 WR 1 (no 1qb/tracker tomorrow) - RD

5 WR 2 (no 8doc tomorrow) - Brian

6 TE (bodyguard for 8dst/doc) - col7by

7 FLEX (one shot joat) - worcej

8 D/ST (one shot doc) - bunny

9 K (no 7 flex tomorrow, never 9 kick again) - (kick it like) Kak

10 I/R (vote out) - Flum


still want to see bunny save. Don't want to give bozo any special powers today. Pretty sure glitter is town and we should listen more to her. Want to check what worcej does as flex. Think flum is more likely mafia than sweet from the late switchers/voters. Also, don't vote bona, pretty sure he's town. Damo probably too, but not too sure about that. Would like to see what Will does with a role too, but don't have enough slots for now. And give me the darn kick, I'll score us a fieldgoal, I promise.

Other than that, I'll come back tomorrow. Did promise yoyo to continue our civ game, and that is what actually gives me the push to stay out of bed for now. The day can't end early as far as I've read anyway, if I understood it correctly? So bye for now, or say hi in the voice chat later.

[Hamilton Brian]

There is a problem with putting someone in the doctor and watcher slots that I did not realize. The watcher apparently can't self watch, so the mafia can target the doctor to kill the TE without risk of being watched, if the doctor is also the watcher. One possible way to deal with this is to put a widely scum read player in the TE slot, since even if that player was town, the mafia would be NKing a potential mis-kill. Obviously, another solution is to not put a player in the doctor/watcher slots.

Well that's disappointing. I think we make doc and QB different people. Should we couple Flex with one of these? I think we put TE as scumread in any case.

Please refer to my suggestion I made earlier today about cycling players through the roles.

[BunnyGo]

Oh, forgot to say:

I was roleblocked last night.

Are you trolling us? So was bona.

Good intel!

(And yes…why so serious HamBone? You’re usually more with it)

[Hamilton Brian]

Worcej, what was leading you to work toward the same conclusion/wavelength as col7by?

Ghug posting "whoops" immediately as phase changed.

To me, it heavily implied he shot Jamie.

Really? Explain the course of events with timings please.

Are you suggesting you don't believe Worcej?

[Hamilton Brian]

Really? Explain the course of events with timings please.

I mean, go look at the bot for the death announcement. Almost immediately after, ghug posts.

So scumghug announces the mafia nk? Really?

ghug was just messing about because he is Flex.

Mafia!Damo covering for Mafia!Ghug?

[BunnyGo]

@Superbunny, what's your rating on Superbozo's performance? Do you think we should keep giving it to him, or try someone else?

I’m waiting to hear how it went. There’s several possibilities. And some of them, I’d might believe are too good to be true. But as we had no save of someone I was townreading? Not good. If he went all in and watched his save; I could forgive but it’d be unfortunate. If town!ghug (&lord knows scum!ghug would ghuggle about calling his shot here) did kill Jamie and bozo saved another kill…well…I hope he went all in and watched his save too!


That said: SUPERBUNNY (TM) is ready for action.


How was your dinosaur rendezvous?

I wonder if the best use of the dual role is to watch and save two separate people? Need to spread out the reading of the pool and that should be in the hands of someone decent at town and mafia reading, which isn't me.

I don’t claim to know “best”, but one pays off bigger when you’re right

[BunnyGo]

TBF, the immediate "whoops" post is very implicative...

Fake!

What's fake? Worcej's post or ghug's reaction?

Ghug’s reaction. Easily faked by him.

[Hamilton Brian]

There is a problem with putting someone in the doctor and watcher slots that I did not realize. The watcher apparently can't self watch, so the mafia can target the doctor to kill the TE without risk of being watched, if the doctor is also the watcher. One possible way to deal with this is to put a widely scum read player in the TE slot, since even if that player was town, the mafia would be NKing a potential mis-kill. Obviously, another solution is to not put a player in the doctor/watcher slots.

Knowing doc can't self save, wouldn't the mafia hit on the doc result in that kill? I am not understanding the connection to the TE.

The TE is a bodyguard for the doctor, the doctor can't be NKed as long as their is a TE. That is why is was important to not haver a tie at TE, because it would result in the doctor not being protected.

I like the way you phrased that. Bodyguard. Implications are if we wind up getting a mafia into TE, doctor doesn't get targeted, can still make their save...love it.

[BunnyGo]

There is a problem with putting someone in the doctor and watcher slots that I did not realize. The watcher apparently can't self watch, so the mafia can target the doctor to kill the TE without risk of being watched, if the doctor is also the watcher. One possible way to deal with this is to put a widely scum read player in the TE slot, since even if that player was town, the mafia would be NKing a potential mis-kill. Obviously, another solution is to not put a player in the doctor/watcher slots.

Knowing doc can't self save, wouldn't the mafia hit on the doc result in that kill? I am not understanding the connection to the TE.

Are you caught up? Doc has a bodyguard

[Hamilton Brian]

There is a problem with putting someone in the doctor and watcher slots that I did not realize. The watcher apparently can't self watch, so the mafia can target the doctor to kill the TE without risk of being watched, if the doctor is also the watcher. One possible way to deal with this is to put a widely scum read player in the TE slot, since even if that player was town, the mafia would be NKing a potential mis-kill. Obviously, another solution is to not put a player in the doctor/watcher slots.

I'm assuming this was GM confirmed?

Yes, the setup does not say the watcher can't self watch, so I assume that is a standard watcher limitation that I was not aware.

I am reading the setup differently; "Can the doctor self save?
No. The doctor may not self save

Can the watcher try to watch themself?
No
And the tracker cant track themself"

[Hamilton Brian]

Were you scum reading Hamilton before this?

Somewhat, yes. Certainly wasn't townreading him.

Hamilton was very helpful at D1 EOD in making sure we avoided ties in the critical positions, while a number of players who were active at EOD seemed to be ignoring that risk. I think Hamilton could easily do that as mafia to duplicate what he would do as town, but I did not see any reason to scum read him for it. The primary reason I am now concerned Hamilton could be mafia is the possibility that you are bussing him.

I know I take things personally and perseverate on things but it does seem like Bunny has made ONE scumread...and it's me.

I think anyone playing the game, and gets a mafia role, knows that...despite how town I appear...disparage me and throw suspicion at me but don't kill me.

[BunnyGo]

Were you scum reading Hamilton before this?

Somewhat, yes. Certainly wasn't townreading him.

Hamilton was very helpful at D1 EOD in making sure we avoided ties in the critical positions, while a number of players who were active at EOD seemed to be ignoring that risk. I think Hamilton could easily do that as mafia to duplicate what he would do as town, but I did not see any reason to scum read him for it. The primary reason I am now concerned Hamilton could be mafia is the possibility that you are bussing him.

Were you scum reading me before this concern?