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[worcej]

I think ghug may have though Jamie was scum from something earlier maybe just cause Jamie always seem scum? He’s always very loud so maybe that idk. And when ghug gave Jamie the chance to save himself he made no effort so ghug didn’t have to make much of a decision otherwise and can say there was no defense. Now if ghug is scum they could be trying to set up you (bunny) and others I forget that seemed to have similar interests as Jamie in some way I just can’t think of who else. I’m not sure if ghug is scum but these are the general scenarios I see

I see colby is on the same wavelength as me for what happened.

Worcej, what was leading you to work toward the same conclusion/wavelength as col7by?

Ghug posting "whoops" immediately as phase changed.

To me, it heavily implied he shot Jamie.

[brainbomb]

Just looking at this again...

QB: Bozotheclown (4)
RB 1: BunnyGo (5)
RB 2: Bonatogether (5)
WR 1: Hamilton Brian (3)
Wr 2: Rdrivera2005 (4)
TE: worcej (6)
FLEX: Ghug (8)
D/ST: Bozotheclown (6)
K: Tie
I/R: TheFlyingBoat (5)

Does this mean that bozo was both watcher AND doc?
And do we then assume that neither Bunny or bona are responsible for the death of Jamie? So that doesn't eliminate either of them as potential suspects since there might be 2 or 3 other mafia around them to carry out the kill?

You all have probably covered this already but I am working on catching forward from last check-in.

Yes it does.

IDK, is the mafia kill subject to the RB? ##call GM question

yes if a person is in the RB slot they will be roleblocked and cant perform the kill

[damo666]

There is a problem with putting someone in the doctor and watcher slots that I did not realize. The watcher apparently can't self watch, so the mafia can target the doctor to kill the TE without risk of being watched, if the doctor is also the watcher. One possible way to deal with this is to put a widely scum read player in the TE slot, since even if that player was town, the mafia would be NKing a potential mis-kill. Obviously, another solution is to not put a player in the doctor/watcher slots.

Well that's disappointing. I think we make doc and QB different people. Should we couple Flex with one of these? I think we put TE as scumread in any case.

[damo666]

I see colby is on the same wavelength as me for what happened.

Worcej, what was leading you to work toward the same conclusion/wavelength as col7by?

Ghug posting "whoops" immediately as phase changed.

To me, it heavily implied he shot Jamie.

Really? Explain the course of events with timings please.

[worcej]

Worcej, what was leading you to work toward the same conclusion/wavelength as col7by?

Ghug posting "whoops" immediately as phase changed.

To me, it heavily implied he shot Jamie.

Really? Explain the course of events with timings please.

I mean, go look at the bot for the death announcement. Almost immediately after, ghug posts.

[worcej]

https://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=430272#p430272

[Col7by]

Interesting proposition. Is this you assuming ghug had a vig shot? Did he? Ah, possible in that FLEX role. So ghug will be claiming what thing he had, and does vig get to holster? But then they lose that power if not voted into the same role the following day, right? So ghug had something, but we don't know some things.

Tell me, col7by, why this might be a setup of Bunny?

Ghug seems to have claimed the vig shot and that’s what we need to do in the aftermath see if it’s true. Jamie and bunny seemed to be aligned if I remember correctly (along with others?) on some thinking so it looks like it could make Jamie and these other people appear like a team. Just don’t remember who exactly

So, you think ghug shot Jamie within seconds of learning his Flex power and mafia holstered or also targeted Jamie.

Right.

No because ghug inquired about it….

[damo666]

Ghug posting "whoops" immediately as phase changed.

To me, it heavily implied he shot Jamie.

Really? Explain the course of events with timings please.

I mean, go look at the bot for the death announcement. Almost immediately after, ghug posts.

So scumghug announces the mafia nk? Really?

ghug was just messing about because he is Flex.

[worcej]

Really? Explain the course of events with timings please.

I mean, go look at the bot for the death announcement. Almost immediately after, ghug posts.

So scumghug announces the mafia nk? Really?

ghug was just messing about because he is Flex.

Where did I assume ghug was scum? I assumed he shot Jamie with the flex at first

[damo666]

I mean, go look at the bot for the death announcement. Almost immediately after, ghug posts.

So scumghug announces the mafia nk? Really?

ghug was just messing about because he is Flex.

Where did I assume ghug was scum? I assumed he shot Jamie with the flex at first

So he got the message, actioned it and brained responded within how long? Oh and coincidentally scum also killed Jamie or holstered.

[bozotheclown]

There is a problem with putting someone in the doctor and watcher slots that I did not realize. The watcher apparently can't self watch, so the mafia can target the doctor to kill the TE without risk of being watched, if the doctor is also the watcher. One possible way to deal with this is to put a widely scum read player in the TE slot, since even if that player was town, the mafia would be NKing a potential mis-kill. Obviously, another solution is to not put a player in the doctor/watcher slots.

Knowing doc can't self save, wouldn't the mafia hit on the doc result in that kill? I am not understanding the connection to the TE.

The TE is a bodyguard for the doctor, the doctor can't be NKed as long as their is a TE. That is why is was important to not haver a tie at TE, because it would result in the doctor not being protected.

[bozotheclown]

There is a problem with putting someone in the doctor and watcher slots that I did not realize. The watcher apparently can't self watch, so the mafia can target the doctor to kill the TE without risk of being watched, if the doctor is also the watcher. One possible way to deal with this is to put a widely scum read player in the TE slot, since even if that player was town, the mafia would be NKing a potential mis-kill. Obviously, another solution is to not put a player in the doctor/watcher slots.

I'm assuming this was GM confirmed?

Yes, the setup does not say the watcher can't self watch, so I assume that is a standard watcher limitation that I was not aware.

[bozotheclown]

Hamilton interrupting a conversation to say this is scum!Hamilton.

1 down...3 to go

Were you scum reading Hamilton before this?

Somewhat, yes. Certainly wasn't townreading him.

Hamilton was very helpful at D1 EOD in making sure we avoided ties in the critical positions, while a number of players who were active at EOD seemed to be ignoring that risk. I think Hamilton could easily do that as mafia to duplicate what he would do as town, but I did not see any reason to scum read him for it. The primary reason I am now concerned Hamilton could be mafia is the possibility that you are bussing him.

[damo666]

There is a problem with putting someone in the doctor and watcher slots that I did not realize. The watcher apparently can't self watch, so the mafia can target the doctor to kill the TE without risk of being watched, if the doctor is also the watcher. One possible way to deal with this is to put a widely scum read player in the TE slot, since even if that player was town, the mafia would be NKing a potential mis-kill. Obviously, another solution is to not put a player in the doctor/watcher slots.

I'm assuming this was GM confirmed?

Yes, the setup does not say the watcher can't self watch, so I assume that is a standard watcher limitation that I was not aware.

It's not standard for one person to be 2 roles. Just to clarify are you saying QB cannot watch any other role if the happen to be the same player?

[damo666]

Sorry for the delay in vca. Will post later.

[bozotheclown]

Here is what concerns me. You posted this is response to Fluminator:

Regarding ALL the other votes too. Except the superhero slots

Voting normally for roster 10

Did you think damo and I were wanting to ignore the voting scheme for the other roles?

Yes. Damo clearly didn’t understand anything.

You’ve been weird. I couldn’t tell what you wanted.

However, the post you were defending was this:

I haven't read the setup closely yet, but I'm a 10/10.

Also I'm pretty sure the best way to do the kill spot, is we wagon people, and whoever has the highest wagon gets unanimously put as the kill.

Ah nice. Vote normally and whoever is lead wagon at say T-2 hours must be put in as #10 on your roster. Detract at your peril.

I think towns greatest weapon is the voting scheme this game and I’d hate to detract from it.

That post was about 1 hour into the game, when damo and Fluminator had only made 5 posts each. Therefore, it seems you were defending that post based on your assessment of damo and Fluminator that occurred after that post.

The second concern I have with that post is that I do not understand your assessment of damo and Fluminator.

[bozotheclown]

I'm assuming this was GM confirmed?

Yes, the setup does not say the watcher can't self watch, so I assume that is a standard watcher limitation that I was not aware.

It's not standard for one person to be 2 roles. Just to clarify are you saying QB cannot watch any other role if the happen to be the same player?

The watcher and the mafia target a player, not a role, so the watcher can't target themselves no matter how many other roles they have. The problem is that the mafia can target the doctor to NK the TE, so it is not possible for a watcher/doctor to see a NK of the TE performed in that way, where an independent watcher could watch the doctor.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Ghug seems to have claimed the vig shot and that’s what we need to do in the aftermath see if it’s true. Jamie and bunny seemed to be aligned if I remember correctly (along with others?) on some thinking so it looks like it could make Jamie and these other people appear like a team. Just don’t remember who exactly

So, you think ghug shot Jamie within seconds of learning his Flex power and mafia holstered or also targeted Jamie.

Right.

No because ghug inquired about it….

About ghug because… no inquired it

[bozotheclown]

Really? Explain the course of events with timings please.

I mean, go look at the bot for the death announcement. Almost immediately after, ghug posts.

So scumghug announces the mafia nk? Really?

ghug was just messing about because he is Flex.

Do you think the Jamie NK was a coincidence because the mafia had already entered the NK, or do you think ghug threatening to shoot Jamie could have made the mafia change the NK to Jamie, if ghug is town?

I am somewhat concerned about the coincidence, because if Jamie had been my doctor target, it might have made me reconsider.

If I was watching Jamie and saw only ghug visit Jamie, what do you think that would mean?

[bozotheclown]

I'm hereish can someone tell me what to do

Moving BunnyGo to RB1 would be good, he has 3 votes for QB.

Why didn't you update your roster at EOD after I pointed out another vote for BunnyGo would cause a tie at QB?