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[Col7by]

Maybe it’s just me but bozo as felt like they’re really trying to control this game a lot which feels scum to me. Now could be playing hero town ball idk but I just don’t recall bozo having this much influence in past games.

Do you feel the same way about Bunny?

Solid question; one can't honestly put bozo's play under scrutiny without turning on the spotlight on the Superbunny (TM) shenanigans.

I think the super bunny play felt way more obvious outing like hey do this and putting a target on his back at the very beginning. I think bozo has been in the work over the 12 hours but no by being over the top but by controlling a narrative throughout and more subtly putting themselves forward not as aggressive

[BunnyGo]

Is this an actual question because you’re perplexed by me? Or is it because you didn’t like what I had to say to Jamie? I don’t disagree with what he’s saying but I feel like the approach was wrong. If I continue playing, I am very likely to make mistakes and do things that not everyone agrees with. So does that mean that I can expect a total berating? After all, it’s a game right?

As far as my approach to this game… the feedback I received from my first (and only previous) game was that I wasn’t opinionated enough. But then when I state my opinions and my gut checks I’m told they’re baseless. Yep. But they seem about as baseless as everyone else’s scum reads and gut checks.

I am naturally suspicious of everyone, especially since when I finally let my guard down in my last game of was to a scum and I didn’t trust my initial gut.

My background is in strategy games/shows and following murder mysteries. So I’m paying attention to who emerge as leaders, who are rostering for themselves versus going along with a bigger plan and who is doing just enough to coast and blend in. Will, Flum and Bona are highest on my radar. I’m thinking Jamie and Damo are town. Bunny, your aggressive “make me super bunny” posts confuse me but I think it’s humor and eagerness, not scum.

Gonna re-read some things and think it all over.

What else do you need to know about who I am?

Well, for example, I found brainbomb a massively frustrating person to play with until I learned he was an actor and that most of his playing was trying to roleplay different scenarios.

I'm finding you very difficult to not scum read. You seem to be responding to a lot of fluff (Just's jokes, my over the top "me me me meme", flavour texts, little arguments, stuff that has nothing at all to do with anything), but then your actual takes are superficial and seem to not be from as honest a place as the rest of it. This is usually scum indicative.

That said, your actual takes don't seem manipulative. Just...less honest. So I'm trying to figure out who you are as a person/player/brainbomb associate.

Ok fair. But also, if literally half of the players in this game have said they find all of the rules and mechanics confusing, how on earth do you think I feel with it being my second game? I know people told me I played up the “I’m new” thing too much last time but when folks start talking about all of these complexities, I really am learning by taking it all in. If there’s a different approach I should be taking to learn then by all means, let me know. Otherwise, I just don’t see how these games are super welcoming to new folks. I’m trying here and all I’m responding to is now fluff apparently and nothing of value which makes me hard not to scum read? That’s frustrating. Interested to see how the night goes.

ghug already said it, but to reiterate:

the rules only matter a little.

Making yourself open and honest and complete so we can easily townread you matters a lot. Whatever that is for you (all of us do it differently, but some of us do it better than others)

Clearly finding scum and stating it and (as just and I mentioned earlier) finding town and stating it is what matters.

And only a few of us have met you before. So...who are you?

I'm Bunny (that's ME!)

I'm an arrogant former mathematician with a chip on my shoulder. I was a pretty good teacher, and pretty good researcher and problem solver, and a lousy writer. Now I work finance.

I'm also a former card game junkie. Played a LOT of bridge really well. Pride myself on being silly, open, and mostly having fun while taking games VERY seriously (while pretending it's all just for fun...because it is...really it is). I got a reputation here early for looking for ANY edge I could find, but have dropped a lot of that lately because it wasn't the fun or right way to be playing.

I got a reputation here early for being able to spam BS as scum as much as I can as town and do it well enough to win a bunch of scum games early; but I've only played scum once in recent memory and it didn't go too great for me (I think? I don't remember).

When I have the time, I'm always reading on my cell or laptop. But when I'm busy, I fall behind. Like now...

[Col7by]

Well, for example, I found brainbomb a massively frustrating person to play with until I learned he was an actor and that most of his playing was trying to roleplay different scenarios.

I'm finding you very difficult to not scum read. You seem to be responding to a lot of fluff (Just's jokes, my over the top "me me me meme", flavour texts, little arguments, stuff that has nothing at all to do with anything), but then your actual takes are superficial and seem to not be from as honest a place as the rest of it. This is usually scum indicative.

That said, your actual takes don't seem manipulative. Just...less honest. So I'm trying to figure out who you are as a person/player/brainbomb associate.

Ok fair. But also, if literally half of the players in this game have said they find all of the rules and mechanics confusing, how on earth do you think I feel with it being my second game? I know people told me I played up the “I’m new” thing too much last time but when folks start talking about all of these complexities, I really am learning by taking it all in. If there’s a different approach I should be taking to learn then by all means, let me know. Otherwise, I just don’t see how these games are super welcoming to new folks. I’m trying here and all I’m responding to is now fluff apparently and nothing of value which makes me hard not to scum read? That’s frustrating. Interested to see how the night goes.

ghug already said it, but to reiterate:

the rules only matter a little.

Making yourself open and honest and complete so we can easily townread you matters a lot. Whatever that is for you (all of us do it differently, but some of us do it better than others)

Clearly finding scum and stating it and (as just and I mentioned earlier) finding town and stating it is what matters.

And only a few of us have met you before. So...who are you?

I'm Bunny (that's ME!)

I'm an arrogant former mathematician with a chip on my shoulder. I was a pretty good teacher, and pretty good researcher and problem solver, and a lousy writer. Now I work finance.

I'm also a former card game junkie. Played a LOT of bridge really well. Pride myself on being silly, open, and mostly having fun while taking games VERY seriously (while pretending it's all just for fun...because it is...really it is). I got a reputation here early for looking for ANY edge I could find, but have dropped a lot of that lately because it wasn't the fun or right way to be playing.

I got a reputation here early for being able to spam BS as scum as much as I can as town and do it well enough to win a bunch of scum games early; but I've only played scum once in recent memory and it didn't go too great for me (I think? I don't remember).

When I have the time, I'm always reading on my cell or laptop. But when I'm busy, I fall behind. Like now...

Now when someone asks for a meta on another player this is def what they’re expecting and I applaud you for it

[worcej]

Can I ask the group why we killed someone that was going to be modkilled over others?

I wanted Kak but I can't really blame people for targeting the lowest poster when we had even less than a normal day one to go off of.

How did we have less?

[worcej]

Do you feel the same way about Bunny?

Solid question; one can't honestly put bozo's play under scrutiny without turning on the spotlight on the Superbunny (TM) shenanigans.

I think the super bunny play felt way more obvious outing like hey do this and putting a target on his back at the very beginning. I think bozo has been in the work over the 12 hours but no by being over the top but by controlling a narrative throughout and more subtly putting themselves forward not as aggressive

FWIW, I don't agree with you mostly due to my own meta impressions of the two of them. Both players wanted power consolidation and went about it in their natural styles that are NAI.

[BunnyGo]

Well, for example, I found brainbomb a massively frustrating person to play with until I learned he was an actor and that most of his playing was trying to roleplay different scenarios.

I'm finding you very difficult to not scum read. You seem to be responding to a lot of fluff (Just's jokes, my over the top "me me me meme", flavour texts, little arguments, stuff that has nothing at all to do with anything), but then your actual takes are superficial and seem to not be from as honest a place as the rest of it. This is usually scum indicative.

That said, your actual takes don't seem manipulative. Just...less honest. So I'm trying to figure out who you are as a person/player/brainbomb associate.

Ok fair. But also, if literally half of the players in this game have said they find all of the rules and mechanics confusing, how on earth do you think I feel with it being my second game? I know people told me I played up the “I’m new” thing too much last time but when folks start talking about all of these complexities, I really am learning by taking it all in. If there’s a different approach I should be taking to learn then by all means, let me know. Otherwise, I just don’t see how these games are super welcoming to new folks. I’m trying here and all I’m responding to is now fluff apparently and nothing of value which makes me hard not to scum read? That’s frustrating. Interested to see how the night goes.

ghug already said it, but to reiterate:

the rules only matter a little.

Making yourself open and honest and complete so we can easily townread you matters a lot. Whatever that is for you (all of us do it differently, but some of us do it better than others)

Clearly finding scum and stating it and (as just and I mentioned earlier) finding town and stating it is what matters.

And only a few of us have met you before. So...who are you?

I'm Bunny (that's ME!)

I'm an arrogant former mathematician with a chip on my shoulder. I was a pretty good teacher, and pretty good researcher and problem solver, and a lousy writer. Now I work finance.

I'm also a former card game junkie. Played a LOT of bridge really well. Pride myself on being silly, open, and mostly having fun while taking games VERY seriously (while pretending it's all just for fun...because it is...really it is). I got a reputation here early for looking for ANY edge I could find, but have dropped a lot of that lately because it wasn't the fun or right way to be playing.

I got a reputation here early for being able to spam BS as scum as much as I can as town and do it well enough to win a bunch of scum games early; but I've only played scum once in recent memory and it didn't go too great for me (I think? I don't remember).

When I have the time, I'm always reading on my cell or laptop. But when I'm busy, I fall behind. Like now...

Oh, and I started playing here because I played a bunch of diplomacy and stumbled across this.

I played f2f mafia with friends all through middle and high school in the <cough cough>'s and didn't think it was even possible to play text only; that scum would just always win. I enjoy it so much I introduced it at work.

[BunnyGo]

Solid question; one can't honestly put bozo's play under scrutiny without turning on the spotlight on the Superbunny (TM) shenanigans.

Hamilton interrupting a conversation to say this is scum!Hamilton.

1 down...3 to go

Go gnaw on a carrot!

I had a cookie and apple brandy instead! Healthy Bunny!

[GlitterBomb]

Can I ask the group why we killed someone that was going to be modkilled over others?

I voted for kaka

At last tally it was going to Kak for I/R so I thought a change by me to Kak wasn’t needed. But Will, Flum and Bozo all voted last minute to make TFB take the lead over Kak. Maybe an intention scum move to prevent us from actually hitting a mafia and losing two instead of the three that would have happened with two mod kills?

To clarify/add to this… even before rosters became official or even listed as unofficial, I’m going to go back and look and see if anyone was town reading TFB (on only one post) and then flipped to voting them out. Why all of the flips to save Kak or kill TFB?

[BunnyGo]

I feel sorry for brain so

##official roster

1 Bozo
2 Bunny
3 TheFlyingBoat
4 Flum
5 rdr
6 Kak
7 Eden
8 ghug
9 Jamie
10 worcej

Bench damo, Col7by, Glitterbomb, HamitonBrian, Haze, Will, Bona

Ah hell nah man this is one of two official rosters :/ and eden is on tghis

AND TFB who i think has posted maybe like once

Actually i dont even know if they have

And has Kak even posted???? I searched and couldn’t find anything…

Serious question: do you know all the bot's search features?

[GlitterBomb]

Ah hell nah man this is one of two official rosters :/ and eden is on tghis

AND TFB who i think has posted maybe like once

Actually i dont even know if they have

And has Kak even posted???? I searched and couldn’t find anything…

Serious question: do you know all the bot's search features?

I do not. In fact I was super confused when people were posting a link to something earlier when I thought in the initial setup it specifically said there was no bot….

[BunnyGo]

And has Kak even posted???? I searched and couldn’t find anything…

Serious question: do you know all the bot's search features?

I do not. In fact I was super confused when people were posting a link to something earlier when I thought in the initial setup it specifically said there was no bot….

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/front_page

Useful features:

1) Click "search among all messages" you can then search. I suggest using the * symbol to complete things. So searching for posts by Bunny* with the word scum* will find all posts by me that have any word starting "scum" (including "scummy" "scumbucket" etc. etc.)

2) Click Game Status to see the current phase. You can read posts. See post status. During days (and you can navigate back to see yesterday) you can see all the votes (this is why Flum was saying we should ##vote anyways) and links to all the posts where the votes occurred.

3) In the Game Status (or previous phases statuses) you can click a name under posting status to see all their posts and nothing else. You can click the time next to that to see their most recent post (the time is how long ago it was).

[BunnyGo]

Now...

Who are you, Glitterbomb?

[BunnyGo]

Ohhhhh wait unrelated but @damo dude what happened to your kneee

What?

Damn man sorry about it, looks long term. May have to put you on the I/R just to be safe…

This made me chuckle.

[BunnyGo]

My point is more that you seem to be trying to ffit in

I AM!!! I have no flipping clue wth I’m doing! This is my second game! I’m doing my damndest. Last time I wasn’t active enough. Now I’m too agreeable. And I’ve even tried contributing my own opinions more. This is bogus.

Every game everyones always doing something wrong lol. Its hard to read your slot since you’re so new so I’m going off what new players typically tend to do. Doesn’t mean you’re doing anything wrong, just that your playstyle may be different from new players

Oh...I'm seeing Flum and Just already tried to ask you this but less directly.

[BunnyGo]

I AM!!! I have no flipping clue wth I’m doing! This is my second game! I’m doing my damndest. Last time I wasn’t active enough. Now I’m too agreeable. And I’ve even tried contributing my own opinions more. This is bogus.

I have no idea who you are, so I'm trying to get a read on what type of player you are. What happened in your first game from your point of view?

In my first game I immediately felt off about Eden because of how much posting and strategy he came off with right out of the gate and it was info overload and he just kept talking. So I voted for him. lol while he and I were the only ones online. And it was a bit awkward but I only had my gut to go off of. Turns out he was scum.

Players aligned quickly. Chaqa said they’d vote for anyone who voted for Eden bc they were the most town…but have nothing to back that up. Turns out it was wrong and Eden was evil. I made diagrams. I eventually fell into groupthink and started thinking I was off on Eden because no one else suspected and I started trusting him a bit.

Everyone was convinced Damo’s actions on the first vote made him scummy and I was in that group. The plan that they came up with though was to hammer vote and end before I even had a chance to do my vote. And it was wrong. It ended pretty quickly. Biggest thing I learned was to try to assert myself more sooner.

So on that note…

I’m most suspicious of damo (voting for inactive but historically powerful players is majorly sus to me), Bunny (again on the post overload at the jump and also the “everyone vote for me” stuff) and Flum and Will I’m still trying to figure out. Not convinced.

got it.

[ghug]

Can I ask the group why we killed someone that was going to be modkilled over others?

I wanted Kak but I can't really blame people for targeting the lowest poster when we had even less than a normal day one to go off of.

How did we have less?

That's my own subjective view of the situation. Hard to read people when everyone's just confused about the setup and there's no voting movement.

[rdrivera2005]

Well, two town deaths isn't great, but considering TFB wasn't posting and that Haze didn't have a clue its isn't that bad too.

Don't get why people voted me as WR2 but it isn't a bid deal. I think both Bozo and Ghug are town so we might get something from the Night actions

[ghug]

Hamilton interrupting a conversation to say this is scum!Hamilton.

1 down...3 to go

Go gnaw on a carrot!

I had a cookie and apple brandy instead! Healthy Bunny!

Cookie and apple is not my preferred brandy style.

[rdrivera2005]

I wanted Kak but I can't really blame people for targeting the lowest poster when we had even less than a normal day one to go off of.

How did we have less?

That's my own subjective view of the situation. Hard to read people when everyone's just confused about the setup and there's no voting movement.

Agree, we should probably have a voting tomorrow because this roster voting format doesn't help town to get info.

[ghug]

Well, two town deaths isn't great, but considering TFB wasn't posting and that Haze didn't have a clue its isn't that bad too.

Don't get why people voted me as WR2 but it isn't a bid deal. I think both Bozo and Ghug are town so we might get something from the Night actions

Why do you think we're town?