Mafia XL - A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum

[damo666]

Especially interesting that its not a real genuine read to me. im 60/40 or 55/45, but im on the likely scumteam over most of the 50/50 people?

Also, apparently its just based on where my vote ended up. Just an FYI, I voted DemonRHK, but when it was like 6-6-3 or whatever I preferred to lynch you over Peter.

AND I put in the caveat that maybe you simply townread peter over me.

Why are you selectively reading?

[ghug]

@damo, why isn't Ezio in your scum pool?

@flash, why did you scumread Peter more than damo. Do you have any other reads?

@Vecna, why did you mischaracterize damo's rating of you and not even point out that Ezio was missing?

@yav, speculating about Jamie's role based on the timing of the sub is silly.

[damo666]

@damo, why isn't Ezio in your scum pool?

@flash, why did you scumread Peter more than damo. Do you have any other reads?

@Vecna, why did you mischaracterize damo's rating of you and not even point out that Ezio was missing?

@yav, speculating about Jamie's role based on the timing of the sub is silly.

An oversight. Ezio as a 50/50 should of course be in the scumpool which is a scumpool of 9. Of these 9 Nd is towniest and Vecna and rdr less scummy than the other 6.

[yavuzovic]

This doesn't make him scum but damo's list is the exact opposite of my reads.
I scumread damo very hardly.

[Foxcastle]

##GM NOTE: Night 2 ends in 5 hours.

[damo666]

This doesn't make him scum but damo's list is the exact opposite of my reads.
I scumread damo very hardly.

That's interesting. Who are your other scumreads and why?

[bo_sox48]

For my own reference later,
The players voted for both the mislynchs;
Balki, bo_, damo, RHK, Dr.C, Durga, flash, ghug
Did I do a mistake?

I did not vote for thdfrance, so yes. Why are you throwing me in with that group?

[damo666]

For my own reference later,
The players voted for both the mislynchs;
Balki, bo_, damo, RHK, Dr.C, Durga, flash, ghug
Did I do a mistake?

I did not vote for thdfrance, so yes. Why are you throwing me in with that group?

Also durga was on me EOD1 not thdfrance

[bo_sox48]

The scumteam has some people that push it in the direction of looking for play patterns. Tom Bombadil was less outspoken than normally, while not making excuses for it. Almost like not trying to attract attention. Scum thought he was the type of player that would buckle under the weight of an important PR role and hide from view, to not be a serious threat to the scumteam with accurate reads.

This is well put. Who are people you think would make and then push that call on their teammates, Vecna? My brain is screaming Balki.

I doubt Balki even knows this sort of thing, because I doubt he has played with Tom B often. Id expect it to come from people like Squigs, Durga, DCG, Ghug, ND (not stating im scumreading them in this post).

Balki must be smarter than you’re giving him credit for. He plays somewhat frequently and absolutely picks up on subtle things from players like Tom. He’s also a master at manipulating people around him into believing him. That said, I have less of a scumread on him now than I did then, and your list includes some people that could very well be responsible. You should consider putting yourself on that list too.

[yavuzovic]

This doesn't make him scum but damo's list is the exact opposite of my reads.
I scumread damo very hardly.

That's interesting. Who are your other scumreads and why?

That's not interesting, I've been telling this for days.
I have two scumpools. They're not related to each other.
Squigs & flash :. For my early scumread on them, this is my less likely scumread.
Bo_, Durga, you damo (and Xorxes maybe): you're protecting each other. We can see that in your reads list, even the little bussing on Durga.

[damo666]

Yav your read of Squigs Flash as a possible scumpair is hardly the 'opposite' of my reads. Both are in my scumpool. [More of a scumsea than a scumpool but hey ho]

[bo_sox48]

Ok my revised reads in format n/(100-n) where n is town %

Alpha order

Balki 80/20

His strong defence of me would be a very clever play as scum but assuming town.

Bozo 70/30

Has consistently voted me I think because he genuinely scumreads me. Towny posts.

bo_sox 80/20

Has shifted from me to another town both nights. Unlikely as scum

Damo 100/0

DemonRHK 70/30

Limited posts and voting look townish. Seems to be attracting lots of votes. Suggest you raise your game a tad. A bit of analysis perhaps?

DrCJG 50/50

Hard to get a handle

Durga 65/35

Day 2 sap from me to Peter unlikely to be a scum move

Ezio 50/50

at best

Flash 50/50

not a lot to go on, almost certainly VT or goon

ghug 85/15

sensible townish (if somewhat arrogant) posts & day 1 switch from me to thdfrance

ND 60/40

Consistently tunneling on me, probably genuine

Raging Ike 50/50

Unsure

rdr 55/45

shade above null

Squigs 50/50

consistent voting me could be genuine but there's something about his game that strikes me as a bit not normal

Vecna 55/45

was leaning 60/40 but his switch back to me slightly concerns but maybe he townread peter more than me

Worcej 80/20

Mainly due to his day 1 defence of me but I don't like his xorxes vote

Xorxes 90/10

Agree with virtually everything he says. Suspect he may be NK target, hope doc saves

Yav 50/50

Don't know what to make of him.

I suspect the scum team are within DrCJG, Flash, RagingIke, Squigs, Yav, Venca, rdr and possibly ND. I will be astonished if there not at least 4 scum in those 8. Unfortunately I cannot tell you which.

As a likely wagon tomorrow I expect to survive the night. If any of those 8 are a competing wagon let's consolidate on whichever has most votes. If none of the above are competing with me then vote me. I would not like to see any of the others lynched.

There are two things that I hate in this game: reads lists based on nothing but people's interactions with you, and arbitrary numbers in reads lists. You hit both those nails on the head.

"If none of the above are competing with me then vote me. I would not like to see any of the others lynched."

How has this crap not been called out? If you arbitrarily declare me 80% likely to be town, why would you not want me lynched over you? You should be 100% town.

[bo_sox48]

And yav politely disappears without acknowledging that he doesn't know who voted who on day 1.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Vecna wrote this:

The scumteam has some people that push it in the direction of looking for play patterns. Tom Bombadil was less outspoken than normally, while not making excuses for it. Almost like not trying to attract attention. Scum thought he was the type of player that would buckle under the weight of an important PR role and hide from view, to not be a serious threat to the scumteam with accurate reads.

And then this exchange followed:

This is well put. Who are people you think would make and then push that call on their teammates, Vecna? My brain is screaming Balki.

I doubt Balki even knows this sort of thing, because I doubt he has played with Tom B often. Id expect it to come from people like Squigs, Durga, DCG, Ghug, ND (not stating im scumreading them in this post).

Balki must be smarter than you’re giving him credit for. He plays somewhat frequently and absolutely picks up on subtle things from players like Tom. He’s also a master at manipulating people around him into believing him. That said, I have less of a scumread on him now than I did then, and your list includes some people that could very well be responsible. You should consider putting yourself on that list too.

I don't understand what either of you guys are talking about.

What is Vecna saying the scumteam were thinking about Tom?

Why does Bo think Vecna's comment was "well put"?

And why does it scream Balki to Bo?

And then why does it trigger Squigs, Durga, DCG, ghug, and ND to Venca?

And then why does Bo think that Vecna is underestimating me?

I am lost by this conversation. Can you guys unpack it more?

I think I may have misunderstood the original post from Vecna, which makes the follow-on difficult to understand. Vecna says "[t]he scumteam has some people that push it in the direction of looking for play patterns." Is this just saying that the scum are looking for PRs based on meta reads?

Then Vecna says "Tom Bombadil was less outspoken than normally, while not making excuses for it. Almost like not trying to attract attention. Scum thought he was the type of player that would buckle under the weight of an important PR role and hide from view." I think I'm following up until now. Basically, Vecna is saying that scum must have thought Tom was a PR because he was acting quieter than usual.

Then Vecna says "to not be a serious threat to the scumteam with accurate reads." Now I'm lost. Scum killed Tom. Why are you saying scum thought Tom was not a threat with accurate reads?

And why does Bo say "this screams Balki." What screams Balki? I need you both to elaborate here.

[yavuzovic]

And yav politely disappears without acknowledging that he doesn't know who voted who on day 1.

Yes I don't know because I wrote the names in a paper and zi might have made a mistake

[damo666]

And yav politely disappears without acknowledging that he doesn't know who voted who on day 1.

Yes I don't know because I wrote the names in a paper and zi might have made a mistake

you made 2 mistakes

[yavuzovic]

You made many mistakes in your realist, do I judge you for that?

[Balki Bartokomous]

And yav politely disappears without acknowledging that he doesn't know who voted who on day 1.

Yes I don't know because I wrote the names in a paper and zi might have made a mistake

you made 2 mistakes

This is a powerful point by Damo. Yavuz said "might have made a mistake," which implies that he only made one mistake. But in fact Yavuz made two mistakes.

[damo666]

You made many mistakes in your realist, do I judge you for that?

Completely different. You made mistakes about actual data.

My opinions could be right or wrong, that cannot be mistakes until the facts are known. But perhaps you know the facts. Scumslip Yav?

[bo_sox48]

Yes I don't know because I wrote the names in a paper and zi might have made a mistake

you made 2 mistakes

This is a powerful point by Damo. Yavuz said "might have made a mistake," which implies that he only made one mistake. But in fact Yavuz made two mistakes.

On two of his top three scumreads, nonetheless. It's more fun to delegitimize someone's argument that I'm not town through argument but I'll take whatever I can get.