WebMafia Olympics - Game #3 - Raygun's Revenge [GAME THREAD]

[Jamiet99uk]

##end day hammered

... and yet he still did this.

Day ends; Sweet dies.

[Jamiet99uk]

D3 FINAL VOTE COUNT:
sweetandcool (4) - ghug*, BunnyGo*, Fluminator*, Kakarroto*
ghug (2) - Jamiet99uk, sweetandcool
Fluminator (1) - rdrivera2005

sweetandcool HAS DIED! HE WAS SWEET, THE BREAK DANCER!

RIP.

[Jamiet99uk]

So.

The hammering of Sweet. Sigh.

Bunny was town although I don't like his play here.

Kak was subject to considerable peer pressure. I'll go on to consider his reflections after the flip in due course.

Flum looks a bit sketchy.

Ghug looks extremely scummy.

[Fluminator]

So to keep it simple:
The goal was to squeeze a daykill without mafia shooting, or maybe manipulate scum into shooting early which would be suboptimal for scum. I wasn’t 100% at the time that Sweet was scum, but I was willing to gamble the game Bunny was town. I knew Bunny would understand the assignment if he saw the game with 2 End votes on sweet not including his.

In the scenario Sweet was town, there is no problem if ghug is scum. If ghug is also town, the worst case is 2 of rdr/Jamie/kak coordinate to quickshoot/quickhammer/quickshoot/quickvote which was a risk I was willing to take wouldn’t happen before I woke up.

To go over ghug’s motive. If he was scum pushing for the quickhammer, he was essentially locking himself into not knowing when day would end and thus would have to be relying on a partner to do the shot and be around before the hammer could potentially happen. I think that alone would be within ghug’s scum brain to do, but I don’t think he’d do it if rdr is his partner. Rdr seems to be genuinely lurking and not checking the thread and the gamble to end the game early wouldn’t be worth it for scum ghug in that case.
I also don’t think ghug would be trying to convince partner Kak to endvote with him either. I could maybe see ghug/Jamie scumteam voting Jamie and then moving off, but I still think ghug's more likely town. I see a convoluted town thought process in his actions, and he’s not doing it for town cred since I had to read between the lines to know what he’s doing.

Kak’s motives are so much more confusing to me. I really want to rule him as town for not shooting there, but he continually shows a lack of knowledge of the setup and optimal strategy. It's possible he's scum and not fully understanding of the setup. It's also possible he did understand, but didn't think it was worth the risk to shoot or thought Bunny was bluffing and wouldn't actually end the day.

Rdr and Jamie are probably scum by poe but I need a better grip on Kak’s brain before I commit.

[Jamiet99uk]

So.

The hammering of Sweet. Sigh.

Bunny was town although I don't like his play here.

Kak was subject to considerable peer pressure. I'll go on to consider his reflections after the flip in due course.

Flum looks a bit sketchy.

Ghug looks extremely scummy.

And, for the fullness of the picture:

I assume Rdrivera was not online - he did not post during the hammering of Sweet.

I was not online and only saw that Sweet had been hammered and Bunny had been shot when I came online an hour or so ago.

[ghug]

I'm impressed ghug is trying to convince you all to do something so incredibly idiotic.

Hammering anyone right now makes zero sense.

Mafia surely has already sent in the shot.

Also pretty sad ghug would want me hammered before giving me a chance to contribute.

This sounds stupid, particularly because I was already voting ghug, and "tunneling", but I'm completely confident Town ghug does not behave this way.

Vote me if you think it's correct, but hammering me is so incredibly daft.

This motherfucker still didn't understand how kills work?

[ghug]

Well shit.

But kaka and I are mech cleared here.

I'm inclined to agree and add Flum to the list. Kak didn't seem to understand the benefit though, and if he's scum, he thinks there's a benefit to scum saving their shots until later, so there's an outside chance he just did it for the miskill.

[ghug]

And yet I’m cleared. I would have certainly shot before hammering sweet.

I don't think you are mech cleared, and neither am I. Sadly. Would help us, but yeah.

But I'm feeling a little better. Maybe there is no need to rush. I still stay here for now.

Before you go, who do you think is mafia then?

Ghug has reminded me of scum ghug influencing things and talking in public.

Jamie has reminded me of scum Jamie trying to look like nothing.

I was right, though. If we'd openly discussed yesterday, scrum wouldn't have fucked up and failed to shoot. The fact that I was pressing for a hammer all day without saying why should be compelling evidence of my innocence.

[ghug]

maybe we don't need it today, but better to have it locked in, if you are town bunny

@ghug, tell me, why was it better to risk this instead of just forcing mafia to shoot earlier?

Killing yesterday without a shot bought us a miskill. It was Flum's logic for hammering Just, but he was off a day.

[ghug]

ok, was that shot trying to colour my impression? Or the impression of others?

hmm, hmm. I saw no one online, except me and MM, and someone not in this game, so at least that keeps me from metagaming. Ok, ok.

Flum, what do you make of this?

Ghug, Jamie, both of you were in bunnys last best guess, thoughts?

RD, where are you?

So we are 3-2 now. Mafia has only one shot left and can't shoot this round. That's at least comforting. If we vote out the mafia with a shot left, we will look much better tomorrow. But we can't afford to vote out town.

We also have one small chance if we no-kill today, and they shoot tomorrow again, but the surviving town members need to be fast and correct. So, thoughts about that?

I mean, either you shot him or it's Jamie and Rd. Either way, I think they were trying to lock him in on being wrong on me, and maybe frame you because you were agitated and ostensibly the only one online.

[ghug]

##VOTE Sweet

I think I feel better here.

Jamie not knowing both scum couldn't shoot on the same day is nagging at me.

Here's Ghug voting Sweet, not hammering I notice.

As to Ghug's question, surely, Ghug, if I had a gun, I would have been very meticulous in reading the gun mechanics, would I not?

That is what I meant.

[ghug]

I'm 50/50 on Kak and Jamie (maybe 45/55), but I think it's highly likely that one of them shot Bunny and is partnered with rd, so if we kill Rd now, we should be able to kill both of them.

I'm pretty sure Flum is town because he figured out that it was better for mafia to shoot and then took the pro-town action.

[ghug]

I realize that's not the most convincing argument for Kak and Jamie, but they would also presumably have Rd in their PoEs and can just swap me or Flum out for themselves in my future day plan.

[ghug]

##VOTE rd

[Jamiet99uk]

##VOTE Sweet

I think I feel better here.

Jamie not knowing both scum couldn't shoot on the same day is nagging at me.

Here's Ghug voting Sweet, not hammering I notice.

As to Ghug's question, surely, Ghug, if I had a gun, I would have been very meticulous in reading the gun mechanics, would I not?

That is what I meant.

What exactly is your point?

[ghug]

Here's Ghug voting Sweet, not hammering I notice.

As to Ghug's question, surely, Ghug, if I had a gun, I would have been very meticulous in reading the gun mechanics, would I not?

That is what I meant.

What exactly is your point?

I was wavering on my desire to vote for you because you hadn't understood a mechanic I thought scum would know about (a mechanic I also misunderstood).

I subsequently moved my vote off of you.

[Jamiet99uk]

I feel like one of the people who pushed a sudden speedhammer on Sweet was probably scum, playing the long game and hoping to gain a modicum of cred for "preventing a shot", despite also forcing through a miskill on a townie.

It wasn't Bunny.

Kak required a lot of pressure to join in.

Is it Ghug?

Is it Flum?

[Jamiet99uk]

That is what I meant.

What exactly is your point?

I was wavering on my desire to vote for you because you hadn't understood a mechanic I thought scum would know about (a mechanic I also misunderstood).

I subsequently moved my vote off of you.

Okay, I see, thank you for answering.

[Jamiet99uk]

I feel like one of the people who pushed a sudden speedhammer on Sweet was probably scum, playing the long game and hoping to gain a modicum of cred for "preventing a shot", despite also forcing through a miskill on a townie.

It wasn't Bunny.

Kak required a lot of pressure to join in.

Is it Ghug?

Is it Flum?

What if BOTH scum flipped Sweet?

Surely not. That would be too tinfoil for seriously thinking about.

Wouldn't it...?

[ghug]

I feel like one of the people who pushed a sudden speedhammer on Sweet was probably scum, playing the long game and hoping to gain a modicum of cred for "preventing a shot", despite also forcing through a miskill on a townie.

It wasn't Bunny.

Kak required a lot of pressure to join in.

Is it Ghug?

Is it Flum?

Why wouldn't we have just shot and then pushed for the miskill anyway, though?

What do you think of Kak's progression from unwilling to hammer and not interested in voting sweet to hammering him?