WebMafia Olympics - Game #3 - Raygun's Revenge [GAME THREAD]

[sweetandcool]

I still think Mafia was inactive.

This points to rdr and ghug (Heart really).

But I doubt it's that easy.

I think one of them absolutely has to be Mafia here.

Someone else has fooled me so far.

I don't like Kak and Flum, but that doesn't mean either are Mafia. I will just have to review and figure it out.

I feel good about Bunny though.

I like you though, even when some stuff you do feels sus to me and I come back to you guessing if your play is mafia or not.

sadge you don't like me

You know what I meant <3

[Kakarroto]

Kak, you are not getting Town points from me for being stubborn here.

what made you think I was trying to get town points?

[sweetandcool]

Meanwhile in game thread:

ghug: Who should we "kill"?

Jamiet: Oh I really "Townread" Bunny and sweetandcool. Flum and Kak are "suspicious". You are a tiny bit too (; I absolutely love rdr.

ghug: If you shoot me now, it is good for your "teammate" (TRANSLATION: Please shoot today, I want that).

Jamiet: I'm not shooting. Let's get them the old fashioned way.

ghug: Pleaaaaaase?

Jamiet: Nah bro.

hmm ... hmm.

Would maf sweet say this?

Probably I wouldn't think to say it.

But maybe I would?

[Kakarroto]

I still think Mafia was inactive.

This points to rdr and ghug (Heart really).

But I doubt it's that easy.

I think one of them absolutely has to be Mafia here.

Someone else has fooled me so far.

I don't like Kak and Flum, but that doesn't mean either are Mafia. I will just have to review and figure it out.

I feel good about Bunny though.

I like you though, even when some stuff you do feels sus to me and I come back to you guessing if your play is mafia or not.

sadge you don't like me

You know what I meant <3

maybe, but it's still nice to hear it

[sweetandcool]

a very silent and distant thought whispers that maf-bunny fakes this misunderstanding. Be me having it too and occam's razor tells me it's most likely genuine. So no bunny for me.

ghug and Jamie look fine to me too. There are some doubts, of course, but I think both are good this game.

sweet is strange. Which doesn't mean he's mafia, but it makes me pause. Flum I'm unsure about he feels towny, but I also don't get a true genuine feeling from him, at least compared to ghug and Jamie. What I see from RD is nice, but it's so little, and he has fooled me before when he was mafia.

So my "would not vote" group is Bunny, ghug, Jamie. If both mafia are in there, I have still much to learn from this game.

sweet, Flum and RD are in my "would vote, but are they mafia, idk" group. I'll read the game again after that, so maybe that will yield more insight, but for now I think I'll ... ##vote Flum

I think Bunny is Town.

But as far as mech understanding goes, I think anyone misunderstanding some small fiddly details in this setup is totally NAI.

Mafia knows they want to shoot, and hopefully not on the same day (though no big deal if they do). They wouldn't give much thought of when the shot adjudicates. Probably would assume standard stuff, though worcej's example of EoD could confuse anyone into thinking it adjudicated EoD, even Mafia.

[sweetandcool]

Phone just deleted a long post ):

In summary, I think Kak knows the setup and knows his schtick with me would make me look bad if he flips Mafia. Like he is secretly communicating with a teammate.

On the flip side, I am totally against voting someone who is actually playing the game. And I am not sure of his alignment anyways.

I forgot what I was going to say about Jamiet.

rdr is impossibly null at the moment, but apparently that will change in future phases.

Flum always posts some pretty provocative stuff, so NAI.

Hate Mad Monarch's opening.

guess the thoughts are in this (and the following) post, about 2 hours afterwards. Hmm, hm hmm ... at least it checks out with the situation sweet said he's in.

Noteworthy that sweet thought about secret communications at this part of the game.

@sweet, do have some notes about possible secret communication you'd want to share? Anything else you've seen, other than my posts, that you would say could've been secret comm?

Yes, you are correct.

I felt excited and certain about the things I posted, but it was a few hours later.

No, nothing about secret communication to share.

I suppose it is notable that I get overly paranoid in these situations. My first game I was paranoid about communication because it had a Mafia Traitor (I think it was called? Someone who had no night chat with the team). It led to some bad reads, but I'm chalking that up to it being my first game.

[Kakarroto]

If I die right now, Monarch is scum

this post is about 10 seconds before EoD ... the same EoD we voted MM out.

Maf-Flum would've known MM flips town. Maf-Flum also wouldn't even be targeted by a bullet.

Would Maf-Flum write this in this situation? Flum did vote MM just three minutes before EoD. He changed back to ImpWill two minutes before EoD though (just seconds after sweet called Flum and ImpWill the mafteam because of that vote, so maybe the change was not due to sweets post).

I'm not sure, but I think that makes Flum less likely to be mafia. Mafia would've been cool with the status quo there, and just sit back, silently. Right?


Also, this:

Final Day 1 Vote Count:
TheMadMonarch (4) Kakarroto, rdrivera2005, ghug, BunnyGo
JustAnImpostorNamedWill (3) sweetandcool*, Jamiet99uk, Fluminator
Kakarroto (2) JustAnImpostorNamedWill, TheMadMonarch

If I didn't know I was town, I would be pretty sus of me, that looks kinda horrible

[Kakarroto]

hmm, I have a very difficult time to think who is mafia here.

ghug-flum-sweet-jamie-RD-bunny

I'm pretty sure now it's not bunny. Sweet looks much better, flum has some little signals that scream town. Ghug and jamie are both fine. I also like RD, but looking back, maybe I read him too positively again?

Man, I really don't know. I know I'm voting flum now, but I don't want to vote him anymore. I guess I change it to ##vote RD but I'm not sure I will stay on him.

[Kakarroto]

EOD2 Votes:
Ya'll hammered Just - not going to go back and manually get them (lowkey love/hate you all as I had to fuck with the bot lol...)

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Surprise surprise.

Kak and Bunny looking suspicious AF.

##VOTE Just
##END

Surprise surprise.

Kak and Bunny looking suspicious AF.

##VOTE Just
##END

You drove me off Just with your weird posting.

But now that NOBODY entered scum kill orders…

##vote Just ##end

##VOTE Just
##END

If he is not modkilled, let's Speedwagon and give Mafia no vig shots.

You drove me off Just with your weird posting.

But now that NOBODY entered scum kill orders…

##vote Just ##end

Hurry…

I'm in.

##Vote Just
##End

##Vote Just

##END

##VOTE Just
##END

(For the bot)

##Vote Just
##End

For the bot, and for justice!

There are two situations where you endvote here, and one is very town, and one very maf sided.

Now, we know we didn't have a shoot, so we have two mafia who know what they are doing.

From your description, ImpWill is a scared little mafia player with not much thought in the game - definitely NOT who fits that description.

So, rethink, and tell me, is it in towns interest to endhammer ImpWill here?

Huh? That does fit the description?

Holding the shots is three layers deep. It is also one layer deep. Imposter is operating on layer one.

Hmm, I could be very overthinking this, true.

Argh, I hope I make no mistake and let mafia guide a misvote on a towny.

Then again, he is pretty in the PoE, so I guess not much lost.

##vote JustAnImposterNamedWill
##end

so, if I hadn't make a mistake, it would look something like this:


Final Day 2 Vote Count:
JustAnImpostorNamedWill (5) - sweetandcool*, BunnyGo*, Jamiet99uk*, Fluminator*, Kakarroto*


so, what can we see/learn from this?

[Kakarroto]

Got to go right now. Visiting with family.

Very unfortunate result. Idk why players can't be bothered to actually play the game

This also means I've falsely Towned someone, because it seemed like active players were more likely Town than Mafia.

it might be a red hering, but I'm seeing so many RL status updates in sweets posts. Sick, busy, buying stuff, family visiting ... maybe I'm just grasping at straws, but it is noticeable. I have no fricking idea though if it is alignment indicative for sweet (and if, for which side) or not. So I guess just dismiss that and look at other stuff?

maybe I should just step back for a bit from this game, let it breathe, let others give their current thoughts in. I haven't even eaten today.

Ah well, I'm nearly done reading the full game, I think I should do that first.

[Kakarroto]

I was pretty certain mafia would not shoot day 1 unless it was sketchy one of them might be eliminated. There ideal path was shooting day 2 and day 3 to potentially win with 3 miskills only.
When I saw Monarch online I thought there was a chance she was scum waiting to see if she had to shoot. That's why I voted her to try to scare her into that. (And my eod post)

But when no shot happened, it was very important for mafia to shoot day 2 because if they did and we miskilled, we would be at miskill or lose. Because they didn't shoot on day 2, they have to get an extra miskill now.

I was initially hesitant because I thought Just couldn't be scum because he would have shot day 1 if he was scum. But then there was the argument he just wasn't online. And if we rushed him and there was no death or just rushed the vote in general before mafia shot it would be a net win even if he was town because we wouldn't lose a miskill (and we get rid of a lurker).

RDR and ghug made the most sense when Will was town as well, as RDR was not around and ghug was clearly not fully caught up on the setup day 2.

But now it seems like Kak and Jamie also didn't get it, so it's possible scum just made a mistake.

ok, hypothetical: if mafia did get it, who do you think is most likely mafia here? still ghug and RD?

[BunnyGo]

I still think Mafia was inactive.

This points to rdr and ghug (Heart really).

But I doubt it's that easy.

I think one of them absolutely has to be Mafia here.

Someone else has fooled me so far.

I don't like Kak and Flum, but that doesn't mean either are Mafia. I will just have to review and figure it out.

I feel good about Bunny though.

Jamie? You never mention.

[BunnyGo]

Holy moly ghug and Jamie's conversation reads as thinly veiled Mafia communication. Sounds like ghug wants to shoot Bunny or I.

Jamiet says he wants to holster.

Paranoid much?

Yes

[BunnyGo]

If Ghug and I are scum team mates WHY IS HE ENDV9TING ME??

Because you guys are cruising

[BunnyGo]

Meanwhile in game thread:

ghug: Who should we "kill"?

Jamiet: Oh I really "Townread" Bunny and sweetandcool. Flum and Kak are "suspicious". You are a tiny bit too (; I absolutely love rdr.

ghug: If you shoot me now, it is good for your "teammate" (TRANSLATION: Please shoot today, I want that).

Jamiet: I'm not shooting. Let's get them the old fashioned way.

ghug: Pleaaaaaase?

Jamiet: Nah bro.

Ghug does like talking in thread with partners

[BunnyGo]

Meanwhile in game thread:

ghug: Who should we "kill"?

Jamiet: Oh I really "Townread" Bunny and sweetandcool. Flum and Kak are "suspicious". You are a tiny bit too (; I absolutely love rdr.

ghug: If you shoot me now, it is good for your "teammate" (TRANSLATION: Please shoot today, I want that).

Jamiet: I'm not shooting. Let's get them the old fashioned way.

ghug: Pleaaaaaase?

Jamiet: Nah bro.

Why are you voting ghug with Jamie?

[BunnyGo]

I have to believe my bobes. I could be wrong about Flum and he could have just misunderstood the setup , like he didn't see thr ping on Discord but I don't think I am wrong.

##vote Flum

Walk me through your Flum read please. I’m not understanding your bones.

[Kakarroto]

Ok, was just preparing some food, and an idea hit me: what if there is no mafia in this game? What if the "no nk but mafia vig shot" is just a trick?

Hmm ...

would a no-kill vote help us in any kind or way today? Like, to force mafia to shoot and give us information?

There is a whole big section in the starting post for AFTER the shots have all been used up, but, there is no special mention for when NO or ONLY ONE shot has been used.

So, that means a no-kill vote doesn't result in any deaths from GM side, right?

##askGM what happens if we vote no-kill here? Is mafia forced to shoot? Will there be a GM targeted removal? Can the day result in a no-shoot and no-kill-majority vote so zero people get removed? I mean the last one here is probably a no since the gamestate doesn't progress, but that situation isn't outlined in the opening post since mafia has their shots still, right?

[worcej]

Ok, was just preparing some food, and an idea hit me: what if there is no mafia in this game? What if the "no nk but mafia vig shot" is just a trick?

Hmm ...

would a no-kill vote help us in any kind or way today? Like, to force mafia to shoot and give us information?

There is a whole big section in the starting post for AFTER the shots have all been used up, but, there is no special mention for when NO or ONLY ONE shot has been used.

So, that means a no-kill vote doesn't result in any deaths from GM side, right?

##askGM what happens if we vote no-kill here? Is mafia forced to shoot? Will there be a GM targeted removal? Can the day result in a no-shoot and no-kill-majority vote so zero people get removed? I mean the last one here is probably a no since the gamestate doesn't progress, but that situation isn't outlined in the opening post since mafia has their shots still, right?

If you vote a no-kill here, then the day will end without a day kill occuring via vote. A kill could still happen from a mafia shot.

Future Kak asking a question in my head: "But what happens if the scum don't kill here too?"
Great question Kak-in-my-head! I didn't think about this until you mentioned it.

Considering how we normally arbitrate this issue in games with NK's, I would have to say scum would need to use a bullet to keep the momentum of the game moving forward, since killing town is in their best interest to winning and they have the capabilities to do so.

So in the above example for your question, the day would end with no kill but on D4, scum must use a shot, if they have one available.

[worcej]

Scum protesting in my head: "Hey, that's fucked! Town would be stuck forcing us to shoot! What gives?!"
Fair point scumbro - I'd also say the town would then be forced to not no-kill on D4 too, resulting in 2 deaths on D4 still, keeping the momentum moving forward.