WebMafia Olympics - Game #3 - Raygun's Revenge [GAME THREAD]

[Kakarroto]

I don't actually want to end so ##Unend.

From 9am to 5pm today I will be mostly locked in a room in the City, trying to negotiate the heads of terms of a £500m contract, with a company that is on the edge of financial distress. It will not be fun. I'd prefer not hammering at this point, really.

yeah, we definitely shouldn't hammer today in my opinion, look back and read the game again, see if we overlooked stuff.

[Kakarroto]

My only weapon is my vote.

What about your avatar's ski goggles? Or your gun?

There is nothing to fear in the majesty of the Macho King's sunglasses.

I don't have a gun.

What is your actual reason for scumreading me? I don't see you making a case.

Oooooouuuuuuuuhhhhh, yeeeaaaaahhhhh!

Although, the Ultimate Warrior was the best of the big three, in my opinion.

[Kakarroto]

I legitimately have to go.

Give your heads a shake; I am not scum.

good luck with the deal, and keep cool

[Kakarroto]

Meanwhile in game thread:

ghug: Who should we "kill"?

Jamiet: Oh I really "Townread" Bunny and sweetandcool. Flum and Kak are "suspicious". You are a tiny bit too (; I absolutely love rdr.

ghug: If you shoot me now, it is good for your "teammate" (TRANSLATION: Please shoot today, I want that).

Jamiet: I'm not shooting. Let's get them the old fashioned way.

ghug: Pleaaaaaase?

Jamiet: Nah bro.

hmm ... hmm.

Would maf sweet say this?

[Kakarroto]

From what I got from bot you speedwagoned Just on D2, and Bunny is now top wagon? And MM and Just flipped town and we are screwed.

Will try to read a bit.

Everything you said is true except:

1) We got decent action/intel. I'm hopeful we make something of it

2) We aren't screwed (got 1 more miskill left)

Come play!

I have read D2 (it was short). Not sure I agree with 1 and 2. What Intel we got from ending D2 earlier without a real voting. Also, I don't get the argument about not allowing scum to shoot, unless we are 100% sure (which is,impossible without PR) this is pointless to me, but maybe I didn't understand something.

I still fell deep on my bones that Flum is just scum. He is better then this to just jump Just wagon without questioning. Him abd Jamiet as a scumpair would make sense to me.

What do you think of D1?

Also, Point 2 is definitely not true since the maf-shot doesn't adjucate at EoD.

Can you expand more on your jamie read? What does make sense to you that leads to the team of J+F?

[Kakarroto]

a very silent and distant thought whispers that maf-bunny fakes this misunderstanding. Be me having it too and occam's razor tells me it's most likely genuine. So no bunny for me.

ghug and Jamie look fine to me too. There are some doubts, of course, but I think both are good this game.

sweet is strange. Which doesn't mean he's mafia, but it makes me pause. Flum I'm unsure about he feels towny, but I also don't get a true genuine feeling from him, at least compared to ghug and Jamie. What I see from RD is nice, but it's so little, and he has fooled me before when he was mafia.

So my "would not vote" group is Bunny, ghug, Jamie. If both mafia are in there, I have still much to learn from this game.

sweet, Flum and RD are in my "would vote, but are they mafia, idk" group. I'll read the game again after that, so maybe that will yield more insight, but for now I think I'll ... ##vote Flum

[Kakarroto]

currently rereading the game with trying to look out for hidden communication stuff, and that drew my eyes:

Hello, Fellow Townspeople.

Fluminator
heartthrob24909
JustAnImpostorNamedWill

Please join the game.

colour codes are 008080, 808000, 80BF00 and 00BFFF.

@Jamie what was your thought progress behind choosing those colour codes? Why choose those different colours?

@everyone else do you see any special hidden information that could've been conveyed with such a colour code?

[Kakarroto]

also, that was nearly 5 hours since I started to play civ with yoyo. Did you guys seriously not even got one more full page up? I feel we are doomed here.

Sorry, I actually do have some good thoughts, just too busy.

We have time at least.

I understand your frustration though.

I really don't like this post (in terms of townyness, that is). Sweet said before he's sick, now he is busy, but has good thoughts. Doesn't post them, but posts this instead. Why not just posting the good thoughts?

[Kakarroto]

Phone just deleted a long post ):

In summary, I think Kak knows the setup and knows his schtick with me would make me look bad if he flips Mafia. Like he is secretly communicating with a teammate.

On the flip side, I am totally against voting someone who is actually playing the game. And I am not sure of his alignment anyways.

I forgot what I was going to say about Jamiet.

rdr is impossibly null at the moment, but apparently that will change in future phases.

Flum always posts some pretty provocative stuff, so NAI.

Hate Mad Monarch's opening.

guess the thoughts are in this (and the following) post, about 2 hours afterwards. Hmm, hm hmm ... at least it checks out with the situation sweet said he's in.

Noteworthy that sweet thought about secret communications at this part of the game.

@sweet, do have some notes about possible secret communication you'd want to share? Anything else you've seen, other than my posts, that you would say could've been secret comm?

[Kakarroto]

##Call GM

heartthrob24909 is not playing; will they be replaced?

maybe I'm totally wrong with my previous assessment and this is maf-jamie asking if his mafpartner will be replaced

[...]
Minimum Participation:
Players must place a valid vote, this includes no-kill. Unvote will be considered as a no-kill vote. Players must at least post once per phase and that post must be a vote. Failure to meet the minimum participation will result in automatic substitution - No exceptions.
[...]

also, I want to point out here, that htis definitely was absolutely visible in the opening settings and didn't need a GM question, which makes this following post very meh

Maybe I misunderstood the wording, I thought it would put the shot in but only work at the end of the day.

##askGM: is the mafia bullet adjucated as soon as as possible, or is it saved until the end of the day? For example, if a mafia inserts the order at halfway point of the day, and the GM sees it at that point, would the bullet fly out? Or would it be 'prepared' until the end of the day?

This is literally answered in the OP, if you bother to go and read it.

[rdrivera2005]

Everything you said is true except:

1) We got decent action/intel. I'm hopeful we make something of it

2) We aren't screwed (got 1 more miskill left)

Come play!

I have read D2 (it was short). Not sure I agree with 1 and 2. What Intel we got from ending D2 earlier without a real voting. Also, I don't get the argument about not allowing scum to shoot, unless we are 100% sure (which is,impossible without PR) this is pointless to me, but maybe I didn't understand something.

I still fell deep on my bones that Flum is just scum. He is better then this to just jump Just wagon without questioning. Him abd Jamiet as a scumpair would make sense to me.

What do you think of D1?

Also, Point 2 is definitely not true since the maf-shot doesn't adjucate at EoD.

Can you expand more on your jamie read? What does make sense to you that leads to the team of J+F?

I think this will make sense with both jumping on Just without much questioning. Same is valid for Ghug, but Ghug is more likely to make this kind of thing.

[rdrivera2005]

currently rereading the game with trying to look out for hidden communication stuff, and that drew my eyes:

Hello, Fellow Townspeople.

Fluminator
heartthrob24909
JustAnImpostorNamedWill

Please join the game.

colour codes are 008080, 808000, 80BF00 and 00BFFF.

@Jamie what was your thought progress behind choosing those colour codes? Why choose those different colours?

@everyone else do you see any special hidden information that could've been conveyed with such a colour code?

Kak, I don't think scum will try to communicate with the other because it's pretty obvious what's the Mafia strategy. I think you are town because you would have shot D1, if you are scum and had the nerves to not shot well played, you deserve to win.

[Fluminator]

I'm underwhelmed with Rdr's entrance so far, but Kak jumping on my wagon right away after saying I'm Townie is even more suspicious

[Kakarroto]

Sigh.

I don’t know what to make of the activity levels:

1) scum is just absent
2) town is imploding again while scum watches
3) scum is caught and isn’t bothering to squirm

1) we know now that this is only true if it's literally RD and heartghug/ghugthrob

2) very likely

3) definitely not. Even if you think I'm mafia, the trend was going away from me, as far as I see.

regarding activity level, I think I'm just not capable to forge my behaviour this much as mafia.

sweet feels very distant/retracted, but he claimed sick/busy, so that could explain it.

jamie looks fine with his activity, but I think he's good enough to fake that. Possible if unlikely.

ghug subbed in with a great energy - definitely a great play as either side. Sweet voted me into the olympic final round with the same reason, so I'm not sure why he is so sus about ghug. I do think however, that ghug is also able to fake something like this, so on the same level as jamie here

bunny had his trip and announced pregame he isn't much available the first part of D1, but I think he contributed quite a lot, good effort. Could maf-bunny fake this?

flum joined late with a 'no discord ping' - 'oh old account lol' vibe, then had some big interactions, at least on the quantity side. Kinda felt like he liked to play/post vibe.

RD is usually very low on content, but makes it up for quality. Seems so far in his normal parameters, in my opinion, though I like him to increase participatio now, as we have no misvote left.


I think the most outlier here is sweet then, right?

[Fluminator]

##vote Kak

I'll be around more after work

[Kakarroto]

I'm underwhelmed with Rdr's entrance so far, but Kak jumping on my wagon right away after saying I'm Townie is even more suspicious

I voted bunny before, who I even higher townread but had a slight feeling he just fooled me. That changed with him having the absolute same thought/perception about the maf-bullets

so far, everyone alive I have a big part that says "oh they are towny", and I've been fooled by two of you. Maybe I've fooled myself and I'm just bad. Still, I had a hunch that you were a bit on the more spectrum of having me fooled, and sweet just a town that got things wrong.

Like, I'm at a point where sweets behaviour is kinda suspicious, but I can see town playing that way, if he were mafia he wouldn't really do so, right? Or maybe he just does it intentionally, I don't know.

I just know that we have no hard information right now, and we can't have a misvote today, or mafia just wins due to the instant bullets. So sorry if I'm wrong, but I'm flailing, practically

[Kakarroto]

currently rereading the game with trying to look out for hidden communication stuff, and that drew my eyes:

Hello, Fellow Townspeople.

Fluminator
heartthrob24909
JustAnImpostorNamedWill

Please join the game.

colour codes are 008080, 808000, 80BF00 and 00BFFF.

@Jamie what was your thought progress behind choosing those colour codes? Why choose those different colours?

@everyone else do you see any special hidden information that could've been conveyed with such a colour code?

Kak, I don't think scum will try to communicate with the other because it's pretty obvious what's the Mafia strategy. I think you are town because you would have shot D1, if you are scum and had the nerves to not shot well played, you deserve to win.

yeah, it was also my first thought that mafia will not try to secret communicate, but sweet said we should be aware of that, and I wanted to check that and share my findings/thoughts about it.

I wish I could play this well as mafia

[Kakarroto]

##VOTE Thema

Comforting that nobody bit on Kak. Odd that nobody questioned me.

now knowing that both MM and ImpWill were town, what are your thoughts about that?

[sweetandcool]

Towncore: Bunny, sweetandcool

Sideeye: ghug, Flum, Kak

Rdr and Jamiet are null.

please explain your null read on jamie

Well, this game whenever I think of or see Jamiet, my mind goes blank.

I just have no thoughts about him one way or the other.

That was probably my thought that I forgot earlier.

[sweetandcool]

Sweet, do you have any thoughts on the speedkill and lack of nightkills? Where was your head during that. Were you just wanting to kill Just and it wasn't any deeper than that?

I guess the latter?

I don't have any regrets, to me it was like a modkill (because of no NK).

Two players entered this game determined not to play.

On top of that, I felt like I was generally seeing Town in thread.

Consequently, there was no more reasonable course of action available to us.

? how could you see us hammering someone out as a modremoval?

While ImpWill had frustrating low engagement, he met all criteria that was needed. If we hadn't hammered, there was a good chance he came in here and post.

I just don't get it how you could see it for any rule violation removal here

Honestly I forgot he even bothered to vote.