Mafia XL - A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum

[xorxes]

The recent look into peterlund has piqued my interest, his reads list does seem awful. @Peter - in that list you said I was hard to read off of meta or something like that, but we have only played one game together. Your reads of other people were equally vague or garbage.

Yes they are vague. It was D1, remember?

But how come you do question me for doing a "bad read list" and not Durga for not doing any read list at all?

I haven't had much time to look at Durga, but her attitude seems generally townie. Also, Bad reads list < no reads list < good reads list. The game I was scum I felt pressured to put up a reads list and it was terrible and got me lynched.

There's different kinds of bad reads list. There's full of crap bad read list like the one you pulled out as scum, and there's uninspired, unconvincing reads lists from clueless townies.

[ND]

So voters that voted for thd and also Peter: ghug, DrCJG, damo666, DemonRHK, Balki, Flash.

They aren't all scum, but I guarantee you there are multiple scum in that grouping. I am going to do something a bit more in-depth, but that range of players is important to keep in mind. They have been instrumental two days running in killing town.

[RagingIke297]

Also, how did Ike have no votes on him at EOD after multiple people expressed interest in that wagon?

That's actually a really good question, part of the answer may be that Damo and Demon were part of my wagon and jumped on Peter when his wagon took off, I said something about how i wouldn't be surprised to see them voting Peter or ND, they only voted me to try to distract from their own wagons...

[Foxcastle]

##CALL GM: I think you counted Peter's vote on both wagons. Can you correct the total?

In addition to incorrectly listing Peter's vote twice, Damo666's vote on Peterlund was not listed in the final count. The corrected final vote total is below. It does not change the outcome of the lynch.

FINAL VOTE COUNT

peterlund (8) — Durga, bo_sox48, ghug, DrCJG, Damo666, DemonRHK, Balki Bartokomous, flash2015
damo666 (6) — Squigs44, bozotheclown, ND, yavuzovic, peterlund, vecna
DemonRHK (3) — rdrivera2005, RagingIke297, xorxes
xorxes (1) — worcej
yavuzovic (1) — Ezio

##GM NOTE: Peterlund is incorrectly listed as voting for himself. The vote totals are correct, and peterlund's vote on Damo666 is where his vote was actually registered. Apologies for any confusion.
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[ND]

Yes, thank you Fox, I saw that after I posted. Apologies.

[Foxcastle]

##GM NOTE: ARGH, sorry, bad formatting. Let's see if I can get this right?

In addition to incorrectly listing Peter's vote twice, Damo666's vote on Peterlund was not listed in the final count. The corrected final vote total is below. It does not change the outcome of the lynch.

FINAL VOTE COUNT

peterlund (8) — Durga, bo_sox48, ghug, DrCJG, Damo666, DemonRHK, Balki Bartokomous, flash2015
damo666 (6) — Squigs44, bozotheclown, ND, yavuzovic, peterlund, vecna
DemonRHK (3) — rdrivera2005, RagingIke297, xorxes
xorxes (1) — worcej
yavuzovic (1) — Ezio

[Ezio]

Wait in sorry wtf. We changed EoD timing? Rip sorry guys

[Balki Bartokomous]

@DemonRHK, come back here and present your case that I intentionally lied/misrepresented something. If you believe that, don't let me get away with it. State your case.

[ghug]

Ok flash is definitely scum.

[DemonRHK]

@Balki: Why did you intentionally lie / misrepresent the wagons to xorx?

@DemonRHK, if want to ask me a question, ask me a question. You don't need to load it up with gloss that you know I disagree with.

I asked Xorx to join the DemonRHK wagon because (1) I wanted us to lynch you, (2) I thought there was a decent chance we would lynch you if Xorx joined the wagon, and (3) I thought that whatever wagon Xorx was on would not win (I think it was Ike?)

You wanted to lynch me, fine. Lying that the wagon he joined was already dead when we were tied, and likely explaining why all the pressure on Ike disappeared, is off.

[Durga]

gah peter why

[xorxes]

This EOD is weird, we have Damo and so many different wagons with 2 votes.

If Demon isn't flying I am willing to vote on Ike. Not sure about Peter, bad play isn't always scum play and I remember him tunneling a lot as town. But I don't want to lynch Durga, still on a null to town read for me.

I don't think any scum was under much threat today... again.

[xorxes]

Damo wagon is starting to evaporate and I see my name being thrown around as possible scum. I may not have too much time the next 30 minutes, so I'll drop this, I could see a scum team of Damo, Demon, Durga, Peter and another wildcard like Balki or DrCJG. I'm not a PR, just VT

How is it useful to town to know you're just a VT? Other than narrowing down the pool of PRs for Mafia, what does it accomplish?

[Squigs44]

This EOD is weird, we have Damo and so many different wagons with 2 votes.

If Demon isn't flying I am willing to vote on Ike. Not sure about Peter, bad play isn't always scum play and I remember him tunneling a lot as town. But I don't want to lynch Durga, still on a null to town read for me.

I don't think any scum was under much threat today... again.

So you think damo and RHK are both town? What was the movement at the end? Confused townies?

[Squigs44]

Wait, you voted RHK. You're saying only damo and Peter had pressure?

[flash2015]

Ok flash is definitely scum.

Huh? Didn't you say:

Someone vote for Peter

So I did.

[xorxes]

I just read DemonRHK's ISO. I think he's a solid lynch.

Here are main takeaways:

(1) He said something about xorxes that is the kind of thing scum often say about townies who look towny:

And xorx is completely obvtown. He made six votes during the opening, and has been playing loose. He's not forcing his logic. Scum xorx is way more careful in his steps than I've seen this game.

That was very early in the game. I find that Town are usually a bit more hedgy and suspicious. Not always, but, this seems very consistent with scum who are trying to win some points by being overconfident in things they know to be true.

Could be.

(2) He pushed a scumread on thdfrance early in Day 1 but then made excuses for voting thdfrance when that slot was about to flip

This is what he said about thdfrance early Day 1:

thd pulls an OJ Simpson 'I've never been scum, but if I was, this is what I'd do', and has tried to sell a (to me) pretty obvtown xorx as a lynch twice. I don;t like it at all.

[][]Vote thdfrance

But then when he voted thdfrance in the end, he expressed a lot of uneasiness about the vote:

[][]Vote thdfrance

Consolidation, self-pres, and he is still a lower end scumread.

Seems like he became less confident about a scumread on the towny who was about to flip for no real reason. Consistent with scum who knows that slot will flip town.

This one I don't buy. Why would he vote thd at all if he didn't want to be associated with the lynch? Only works if saving a teammate, and I still don't think damo is scum. (I haven't checked what was the state of the wagons when RHK voted though.)

(3) Gone all day and night, after being a leading wagon on Day 1

Can't read too much into this, but his absence is consistent with scum trying to avoid the spotlight.

All in all, very few contributions, and some actions that are quite consistent with scum. I feel pretty good about lynching DemonRHK.

His saving grace for me is he wanted to lynch Yavu D1 and I'm still scumreading Yavu.

[xorxes]

@Peter any particular reason behind 4 scum reads instead of 5?

What a ridiculous question.

[Durga]

peterlund (8) — Durga, bo_sox48, ghug, DrCJG, Damo666, DemonRHK, Balki Bartokomous, flash2015

Certainly not the crowd I expected on the lynch. The fact that Balki is here makes me want to throw up a little

[Durga]

##Vote demonRHK again

If you are online, please check-in and tell us what is going through your mind.

I am really hoping we lynch DemonRHK, but I would not be heart broken to lynch Pter (I have him as null).

Very shocked to see Balki giving up his soap box to lynch a null