WebMafia Olympics: Bonus Qualification Round

[sweetandcool]

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[Yoyoyozo]

I’m not sure if this has been mentioned since you’ve made this post, but the gambler could have also bet on a players EOD Vote and lost.

This would have shown as a vote lost rather than an extra vote wouldn't it?

I think this can be eliminated.

yes, I think there was no reduction of a vote. If there was, there would be a second upgrade from a different source to balance it out. And if I've read correctly from the document, the dealer can only give one out per cycle. And it would've needed to be in the same voting group as the gambler who lost the vote to not cause any noticable change.

So that can also only be true with a confident champ, and we're having a teamplayer. So no, vote reduction didn't happen.

Quote from Ham
“ Day 3 Final Votes

King: yoyo, Brian, chaqa...vote removed?
Flavius: Dip, damo ...vote added?
Brian: Flavius, WillKak
No Vote: King”

We don’t know how the vote was tied. If a vote was removed, it was definitely removed from the KOTP vote, making Ham or Chaqa the gambler. If a vote was added, that makes it either Flav, Kak, or damo. Damo was pretty sus at the beginning of D4 so I don’t have a problem voting for him.

[Kakarroto]

IF someone has steroids dont you think its more than likely that they vote for someone who they ARENT voting for? Only scenario where that doesnt happen is where they think their posistion is already joeover

huh? I understood it that the steroids would double the current vote, not give a second vote that might go to another target. If it's not a double up, then damo (or d&w) doesn't have necessarily been drugged up and damo's maf chance sinks dramatically

##askGM the steroids do double your vote, right? It's not like anyone that got them or was forced to use them can vote two different players, right?

Correct.

Steroids do not allow you to vote for two different players.

alright thanks sweet, then that's not possible Flav. That means the extra vote must've come from d&w or from damo

[Hamilton Brian]

so, just to be save, ##vote damo666

I'm also surprised, that so few people are voting for damo, but instead vote for flav. If damo is town, would mafia avoid voting him here? I mean, it nearly looks like a slam dunk to me it's damo that is mafia, but if not, would mafia have a different viewpoint?

Things to consider ...

Can you give me the tldr as to why damo is the slam dunk?

[Kakarroto]

This would have shown as a vote lost rather than an extra vote wouldn't it?

I think this can be eliminated.

yes, I think there was no reduction of a vote. If there was, there would be a second upgrade from a different source to balance it out. And if I've read correctly from the document, the dealer can only give one out per cycle. And it would've needed to be in the same voting group as the gambler who lost the vote to not cause any noticable change.

So that can also only be true with a confident champ, and we're having a teamplayer. So no, vote reduction didn't happen.

Quote from Ham
“ Day 3 Final Votes

King: yoyo, Brian, chaqa...vote removed?
Flavius: Dip, damo ...vote added?
Brian: Flavius, WillKak
No Vote: King”

We don’t know how the vote was tied. If a vote was removed, it was definitely removed from the KOTP vote, making Ham or Chaqa the gambler. If a vote was added, that makes it either Flav, Kak, or damo. Damo was pretty sus at the beginning of D4 so I don’t have a problem voting for him.

quote of the official vote count:

Final D3 Vote Count

kingofthepirates (3) Yoyoyozo, Hamilton Brian, Chaqa
FlaviusAetius (3) DiplomacyandWarfare*, damo666
Hamilton Brian (2) FlaviusAetius, Kakarroto
Unvote (No-Kill) (1) kingofthepirates

Please PM me in the next 5 minutes if you have found a mistake. And yes, Flavius does have 3 votes.

Please Note: Ham's vote after the EoD hold message does not count, as it came too late.

what do we see here?

kingofthepirates (3) Yoyoyozo, Hamilton Brian, Chaqa <----- here are 3 people, 3 votes noted by the GM
FlaviusAetius (3) DiplomacyandWarfare*, damo666 <----- here are 2 people, 3 votes noted by the GM
Hamilton Brian (2) FlaviusAetius, Kakarroto <----- here are 2 people, 2 votes noted by the GM
Unvote (No-Kill) (1) kingofthepirates <----- here is one person, 1 vote noted by the GM

therefore we know how that the vote was tied by an EXTRA vote, not a reduction.

[Hamilton Brian]

Pasting things I wrote earlier.

The Flavius-King D2 looks like it's a more in-tune pair with both sitting on confirmed town. One way or another town was going to die.

(And if that's the case, and we actually have a Champion Confidant, then that was a pisspoor job not tying that vote up. Just saying.)

The only way I'd say their D1 makes them a likely scumpair is if throughout the day Flavius was shading Chaqa and King put their vote there assuming it might have carried through later on.

As of right now Damo I am not too convinced that Flavius-King is the pair.

Obviously I have re-ordered that opinion.

Comparing Chaqa-Damo vote moves:

For Chaqa-Dip, we have on D1 both on different confirmed town. For D2 Chaqa is on confirmed town while Dip is on the unclear slot. Day 3 is a complete unknown for either of them based on the tie.

Then I offered my subjective takes on the interactions.

In reading the instances where Chaqa quotes or talks to damo...I don't feel like there's any relationship there.

The vote patterns still rank the relationship high but in-game talk lowers it. I'll rank it as a 5/10 as mid to least likely.

Comparing Flavius and King:

Day 1 challenges a vote for King because King was “trying to increase engagement.” King suggest Flav is lurking to which Flav responds to the contrary. Shares their reads when King asks for them.


Declares that they feel like King has said some good stuff on D2. D2 declares them “super town.” When questioned by Kak suggests that King hasn’t said anything suspicious.

D3, King says “I really want to hear Flav’s thoughts…” This really jumps out to me. Later on in D3 Flav calls King out for coasting. That’s interesting since Flav has been adamant that King is their solid townread. It seems to be a significant contradiction.

What stands out to me in the interactions is how much they interact with one another AND how strongly Flav townreads King, and even chastises other players for putting votes on King.

I am revising my original read on this pair. Where I thought it was unlikely before I now think it is highly likely. When including my vote analysis with their interactions I think these two are one of the more likely pairs. I’ll say 7/10.

I think reading vote behaviour with interactions should lead us to the right decision.

[Kakarroto]

so, just to be save, ##vote damo666

I'm also surprised, that so few people are voting for damo, but instead vote for flav. If damo is town, would mafia avoid voting him here? I mean, it nearly looks like a slam dunk to me it's damo that is mafia, but if not, would mafia have a different viewpoint?

Things to consider ...

Can you give me the tldr as to why damo is the slam dunk?

cheebus, do people not understand my posts?

we have not a confident champ, we have a teamplayer, therefore no extra off-person vote

either damo or d&w NEED to have gotten the extra vote by steroids; d&w flipped town, and explicitly said he didn't get a PM to inform him (as per role description the target gets informed at EoN where it happened)

damo also said he didn't get the extra vote. Town would not be lying over this

there is a one in a million chance d&w tried a reaction test to bait out mafia reaction by waiting for the next day to clarify, but nothing points to that, just a freak chance.

damo also hardclaimed VT right after the night yoyo visited him, robbing him from a chance to fakeclaim confident champion

so the ONLY possible chance damo has to being town and actually saying the truth and was just scared being hammered or what as town is with that freak chance that d&w pokered with not telling in thread that he got that message

[Kakarroto]

Pasting things I wrote earlier.

The Flavius-King D2 looks like it's a more in-tune pair with both sitting on confirmed town. One way or another town was going to die.

(And if that's the case, and we actually have a Champion Confidant, then that was a pisspoor job not tying that vote up. Just saying.)

The only way I'd say their D1 makes them a likely scumpair is if throughout the day Flavius was shading Chaqa and King put their vote there assuming it might have carried through later on.

As of right now Damo I am not too convinced that Flavius-King is the pair.

Obviously I have re-ordered that opinion.

Comparing Chaqa-Damo vote moves:

For Chaqa-Dip, we have on D1 both on different confirmed town. For D2 Chaqa is on confirmed town while Dip is on the unclear slot. Day 3 is a complete unknown for either of them based on the tie.

Then I offered my subjective takes on the interactions.

In reading the instances where Chaqa quotes or talks to damo...I don't feel like there's any relationship there.

The vote patterns still rank the relationship high but in-game talk lowers it. I'll rank it as a 5/10 as mid to least likely.

Comparing Flavius and King:

Day 1 challenges a vote for King because King was “trying to increase engagement.” King suggest Flav is lurking to which Flav responds to the contrary. Shares their reads when King asks for them.


Declares that they feel like King has said some good stuff on D2. D2 declares them “super town.” When questioned by Kak suggests that King hasn’t said anything suspicious.

D3, King says “I really want to hear Flav’s thoughts…” This really jumps out to me. Later on in D3 Flav calls King out for coasting. That’s interesting since Flav has been adamant that King is their solid townread. It seems to be a significant contradiction.

What stands out to me in the interactions is how much they interact with one another AND how strongly Flav townreads King, and even chastises other players for putting votes on King.

I am revising my original read on this pair. Where I thought it was unlikely before I now think it is highly likely. When including my vote analysis with their interactions I think these two are one of the more likely pairs. I’ll say 7/10.

I think reading vote behaviour with interactions should lead us to the right decision.

don't strip quotes from there upper line, that robs the direct link ability to check the usual post. It doesn't make the post smaller anyway, so no use doing it except by hiding where it come from

[Hamilton Brian]

Kak, I was going to respond to your assertion but I think any conversation we might have will be interpreted as PR hunting.

What we know: a vote was added to force the tie.

[Hamilton Brian]

I also think that if the wagons wind up being Flav and Damo, one way or another we get closer to our solve.

[Yoyoyozo]

yes, I think there was no reduction of a vote. If there was, there would be a second upgrade from a different source to balance it out. And if I've read correctly from the document, the dealer can only give one out per cycle. And it would've needed to be in the same voting group as the gambler who lost the vote to not cause any noticable change.

So that can also only be true with a confident champ, and we're having a teamplayer. So no, vote reduction didn't happen.

Quote from Ham
“ Day 3 Final Votes

King: yoyo, Brian, chaqa...vote removed?
Flavius: Dip, damo ...vote added?
Brian: Flavius, WillKak
No Vote: King”

We don’t know how the vote was tied. If a vote was removed, it was definitely removed from the KOTP vote, making Ham or Chaqa the gambler. If a vote was added, that makes it either Flav, Kak, or damo. Damo was pretty sus at the beginning of D4 so I don’t have a problem voting for him.

quote of the official vote count:

Final D3 Vote Count

kingofthepirates (3) Yoyoyozo, Hamilton Brian, Chaqa
FlaviusAetius (3) DiplomacyandWarfare*, damo666
Hamilton Brian (2) FlaviusAetius, Kakarroto
Unvote (No-Kill) (1) kingofthepirates

Please PM me in the next 5 minutes if you have found a mistake. And yes, Flavius does have 3 votes.

Please Note: Ham's vote after the EoD hold message does not count, as it came too late.

what do we see here?

kingofthepirates (3) Yoyoyozo, Hamilton Brian, Chaqa <----- here are 3 people, 3 votes noted by the GM
FlaviusAetius (3) DiplomacyandWarfare*, damo666 <----- here are 2 people, 3 votes noted by the GM
Hamilton Brian (2) FlaviusAetius, Kakarroto <----- here are 2 people, 2 votes noted by the GM
Unvote (No-Kill) (1) kingofthepirates <----- here is one person, 1 vote noted by the GM

therefore we know how that the vote was tied by an EXTRA vote, not a reduction.

That’s what I was thinking. Thanks for clarifying, hence my statement about Ham being the mafia partner or town MVP. Let’s consolidate on damo.

[Hamilton Brian]

For the sake of the bot and Sweet's sanity:

##Vote Flavius

[Kakarroto]

Kak, I was going to respond to your assertion but I think any conversation we might have will be interpreted as PR hunting.

What we know: a vote was added to force the tie.

correct (well I wouldn't say 'force' because I don't think that was the intention but I would rephrase it to 'create'), and it has to do with the vote onto Flav.

So the only options from the game setting is that either of the two voting Flav were drugged, or that a confident champion votes Flav with their secret second vote that is not connected to their first vote.

Damo states the latter happened, I'm the proponent for the first option.

[Yoyoyozo]

I am feeling like someone's been limited in their messaging.

I want to ask you what exactly you're thinking, but then again it's probably best to be vague about this.

I do however think that, outside of you, there hasn't been a great sharing of thoughts and conversation going on. Flav posts a lot, but without trying to be mean, have to say that (at least in my opinion) they are low effort posts. Damo has some good quality in his posts, and it feels like he's portraying his thoughts at least at times, but I wish he posted more.

Chaqa and kotp both are posting minimalistic. Probably because of their RL, but still it doesn't help the game. Imagine if we had voted them both out instead of bunny and haze, the game would be a lot more livier. And we didn't even get "good information" by voting those two out. I ask everyone to consider voting lurkers out beginning D1, where we not only have enough misvotes to do so, but could get lucky and vote a mafia by doing so, increasing our misvote pool.

Anyway, back to this game, yoyo doesn't post as much as I like, as our confirmed town PR. I want him to be more involved, more decisive, more driving. During the outage of the forum, I came to play a game of Civ 5 with him, after brain and I had a (short) Civ 6 game. During it yoyo had a disconnect in game, but not in discord, and I found out he uses his computer only for video games, so he plays mafia only on mobile. Which would explain why he's not posting as much, but still, I would love him to be more involved.

But yeah, the overall messaging is somewhat lacking.

Wow. Okay fair. I will say that you guys are already doing such a great job, there really isn’t much for me to add. I enjoy you and ham’s analysis when it’s hard to find the right, relevant information. So much to sort through, especially when a turn that’s based off of mechanics that require flips (like the dip flip N3) in order to resolve exactly what happened.

[sweetandcool]

Official Vote Count 4.1?

FlaviusAetius (4) damo666, Chaqa, KingofthePirates, Hamilton Brian
damo666 (2) Kakarroto, Yoyoyozo
Hamilton Brian (1) FlaviusAetius

All players have met participation requirements.

Phase ends in 5 hours.

Please note that a few posts didn't make it to the bot. Among them was Pirate's vote for Flavius.

[Yoyoyozo]

Official Vote Count 4.1?

FlaviusAetius (4) damo666, Chaqa, KingofthePirates, Hamilton Brian
damo666 (2) Kakarroto, Yoyoyozo
Hamilton Brian (1) FlaviusAetius

All players have met participation requirements.

Phase ends in 5 hours.

Please note that a few posts didn't make it to the bot. Among them was Pirate's vote for Flavius.

I am noting how all 3 of the people I suggested may be damo’s partner is voting Flav instead of damo.

If you guys are town, I’ll remind you that our goal is to win, not to survive until the end. If damo really is mafia, you’re also doing yourselves a disservice by refusing to vote for him, because his actually partner will be trying to protect him as well. Just trust that town can figure this out.

[Chaqa]

##vote Flav

I’m also down to vote damo, but I think flav flipping would answer a lot of questions

[FlaviusAetius]

##vote damo

I gotta go to orientation for school I'll be back in about 2 hours...give me a CHANCE to defend myself

[Chaqa]

##vote damo

I gotta go to orientation for school I'll be back in about 2 hours...give me a CHANCE to defend myself

I’m tired boss

[Yoyoyozo]

##vote Flav

I’m also down to vote damo, but I think flav flipping would answer a lot of questions

Well this puts town in a very uncomfortable position. Whatever question you want answered probably isn’t worth the possibility of Flav flipping town, that being a bet that mafia makes (he was a top wagon D3), damo gaining immunity D5, and us losing yet another town. Even worse is if Flav is the Champion and forced to out himself with no one around on Flav’s wagon to switch votes.