WebMafia Olympics: Bonus Qualification Round

[sweetandcool]

Phase ends in 9 hours. Please ignore me fiddling with the bot in the following posts.

[sweetandcool]

FOR THE BOT:

Night has ended early.

(PLEASE IGNORE)

[Hamilton Brian]

Let me get this registered so there's no way my vote doesn't get counted.

##Vote Flavius

I am wondering if it's meaningful to put both Flav and King on the block together.

[kingofthepirates]

##vote flavius

[Hamilton Brian]

Re-reading Kak's analysis, it's apparent that we have landed on the same runway of chaqa-damo or Flav-KotP.

With regard to my mistake of not including Flav pairs in my original N3 analysis, purely an oversight. I was in the pub as I was doing that stuff. It's not the "gotcha" one might jump to conclusions with.

There is 0% chance that I am mafia with anyone. Start there and recalculate to see what might change in your pairings.

[Hamilton Brian]

I am feeling like someone's been limited in their messaging.

[Hamilton Brian]

##Call GM

Is it possible to get an up-to-date vote count?

Is EOD for D4 3PM PST/6PM EST?

[Kakarroto]

I thought about it some more and I think I PLAN to vote for damo HOWEVER I still think HB is a better candidate

why do you think that? Have you read my comparison where I put out my thoughts on the extra vote?

[sweetandcool]

NIGHT HAS ENDED EARLY

[Kakarroto]

Final few fast thoughts before I leave for dinner:
Damo I think is the obv vote and kill here (steroids), but I almost feel it’s TOO easy. Perhaps a framing? No, bad thoughts. It’s all circular at the end of the day. Damo is a voting option tho.

Confident champ is a weird thing. I don’t discount the possibility but I think it’s pretty unlikely (any answer from sweet abt the holster thing and I’m just blind for kissing it or is a response still out?). Also no motive for it (‘it’ being both holstering D1 & D2, and choosing to use the extra vote D3), but I’m not going to speculate on that. Nothing good comes from it (possibly delves into champ identity).

Also flav regarding your pg 100 post abt notes: I made the Michael bay joke. Also things did happen D1, the whole reaction test fiasco. But regardless, it was mainly poking fun at a mediocre (imho) director who’s movies I’d recently watched (transformers).

Im just saying when I was mafia we planned for signals along those lines to indicate to fellow mafia members about the plans for the day, you referencing Michael Bay out of NO WHERE is very relevant to that

well, sure, there can be signals, but that was D1 when mafia hadn't had contact before, at least as far as I know. So it could have been something maf-kotp thought about as a signal, to entertain your thought, but his partner wouldn't have known what kotp means by that, right?

so occam's razor says it's just a reference for dramatic purpose because Michael Bay and explosions and stuff

[sweetandcool]

##Call GM

Is it possible to get an up-to-date vote count?

Is EOD for D4 3PM PST/6PM EST?

Soon.

Yes.

[Kakarroto]

I am not the Gambler. As a matter of fact I hardclaim that I am not any mafia role in this game.

Well if you're not mafia and I'm not mafia what do you think of my Flav_kotp suggestion?

You know whats funny? EVERY time you get a chance to shoot at KOTP, someone you think is mafia, you aim for me instead ...damo + KOTP maybe

yes, damo has a focus on wanting to remove you from the game, since the time ghug has pointed out that the boldening annoys him. Damo said that too afterwards, and kept giving you the side eye.

That could've been a bus, since right at the time, it was not read based, but annoyed based, and the shading kept on. It is unlikely though, since I've only seen a selected few people do a bus like that. It is however very effective, I myself keep thinking that you two are just so unlikely to be paired together with this. I did stuff like that myself though, so in reality, it is not impossible.

However, for now we need to disregard this possibility, since other options are way more plausible.

[Kakarroto]

Amended

Per the D3 vote I instantly read the Flavius-King connection as weak. King wouldn't have known that mafiapartner was going to be on the block (I don't think, need to check vote logs versus King's postings). Mafia!King needs to help out the team by at least voting someone. Not doing so leaves mafia!Flavius doing all the work and potentially getting killed.

If ANYONE is my mafia partner they should never try to fight for me, I even said that in my mafia teamchat last game I was mafia

noted. If we ever play as mafia together, I will bus you to hell and drive us both out for town to misvote. Then our surviving partner(s) can bus us both, get cred, and win us the game. Easy.

[Kakarroto]

Thank you

yeah no, this proves nothing, you just pull out a wrong possibility from the setup, because it's the only thing left for you to do. You are just trying to bait a champion reveal.

You don't try to find a solution, you try to find a way out of not getting voted out or help your maf buddy to get an advantage for the coming day(s). Good play yeah, but I see through you. There was no confident champ vote on Flav because there is no confident champ. It's because you were drugged up either by your buddy or by yourself and that's it.

Stay the course guys, lets vote out this maff

IF someone has steroids dont you think its more than likely that they vote for someone who they ARENT voting for? Only scenario where that doesnt happen is where they think their posistion is already joeover

huh? I understood it that the steroids would double the current vote, not give a second vote that might go to another target. If it's not a double up, then damo (or d&w) doesn't have necessarily been drugged up and damo's maf chance sinks dramatically

##askGM the steroids do double your vote, right? It's not like anyone that got them or was forced to use them can vote two different players, right?

[Kakarroto]

I’m p sure it’s literally just confident champ and steroids.

I’m not sure if this has been mentioned since you’ve made this post, but the gambler could have also bet on a players EOD Vote and lost.

This would have shown as a vote lost rather than an extra vote wouldn't it?

I think this can be eliminated.

yes, I think there was no reduction of a vote. If there was, there would be a second upgrade from a different source to balance it out. And if I've read correctly from the document, the dealer can only give one out per cycle. And it would've needed to be in the same voting group as the gambler who lost the vote to not cause any noticable change.

So that can also only be true with a confident champ, and we're having a teamplayer. So no, vote reduction didn't happen.

[Kakarroto]

I am feeling like someone's been limited in their messaging.

I want to ask you what exactly you're thinking, but then again it's probably best to be vague about this.

I do however think that, outside of you, there hasn't been a great sharing of thoughts and conversation going on. Flav posts a lot, but without trying to be mean, have to say that (at least in my opinion) they are low effort posts. Damo has some good quality in his posts, and it feels like he's portraying his thoughts at least at times, but I wish he posted more.

Chaqa and kotp both are posting minimalistic. Probably because of their RL, but still it doesn't help the game. Imagine if we had voted them both out instead of bunny and haze, the game would be a lot more livier. And we didn't even get "good information" by voting those two out. I ask everyone to consider voting lurkers out beginning D1, where we not only have enough misvotes to do so, but could get lucky and vote a mafia by doing so, increasing our misvote pool.

Anyway, back to this game, yoyo doesn't post as much as I like, as our confirmed town PR. I want him to be more involved, more decisive, more driving. During the outage of the forum, I came to play a game of Civ 5 with him, after brain and I had a (short) Civ 6 game. During it yoyo had a disconnect in game, but not in discord, and I found out he uses his computer only for video games, so he plays mafia only on mobile. Which would explain why he's not posting as much, but still, I would love him to be more involved.

But yeah, the overall messaging is somewhat lacking.

[Kakarroto]

so, just to be save, ##vote damo666

I'm also surprised, that so few people are voting for damo, but instead vote for flav. If damo is town, would mafia avoid voting him here? I mean, it nearly looks like a slam dunk to me it's damo that is mafia, but if not, would mafia have a different viewpoint?

Things to consider ...

[sweetandcool]

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[sweetandcool]

yeah no, this proves nothing, you just pull out a wrong possibility from the setup, because it's the only thing left for you to do. You are just trying to bait a champion reveal.

You don't try to find a solution, you try to find a way out of not getting voted out or help your maf buddy to get an advantage for the coming day(s). Good play yeah, but I see through you. There was no confident champ vote on Flav because there is no confident champ. It's because you were drugged up either by your buddy or by yourself and that's it.

Stay the course guys, lets vote out this maff

IF someone has steroids dont you think its more than likely that they vote for someone who they ARENT voting for? Only scenario where that doesnt happen is where they think their posistion is already joeover

huh? I understood it that the steroids would double the current vote, not give a second vote that might go to another target. If it's not a double up, then damo (or d&w) doesn't have necessarily been drugged up and damo's maf chance sinks dramatically

##askGM the steroids do double your vote, right? It's not like anyone that got them or was forced to use them can vote two different players, right?

Correct.

Steroids do not allow you to vote for two different players.

[sweetandcool]

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