WebMafia Olympics: Bonus Qualification Round

[Chaqa]

two hours to go and again everything went quiet.

This is not a good sign. Town and mafia seemingly get comfortable with the situation. Maybe both Brian and Flav are town.

Anyone has another idea? Feel free to step forward!

I would like to have a sense for consensus sooner than later as I have a family engagement to head to in about an hour. I may or may not be able to hop back on my phone near EOD. Depends on when we leave and what things are like when I arrive.

I would say for today I will not vote for Kak or Yoyo, and likely not Hamilton, despite finding his vote on me extremely suspicious.

The vote I pulled away.

The axe forgets, but the tree remembers.

[Kakarroto]

D2 vote progression (with some comments)

damo votes will
d&w votes damo
both at relatively start

then bunny votes ghug
ghug votes chaqa (quoting chaqa that Brian is town for suggesting him as a vote target)
kotp votes chaqa (insinde a wall of text)
flav votes bunny

damo unvotes

d&w unvotes

d&w votes chaqa
d&w votes Brian (in the following post, said the thread is dying as a reason)

will voted damo (says because mafia was on haze)

d&w votes chaqa (again) (tells four people, chaqa, yoyo, will and damo to stop lurking)


Official Vote Count 2.0

Chaqa (3) ghug, kingofthepirates, DiplomacyandWarfare
damo666 (2) JustAGuyNamedWill, Yoyoyozo
ghug (1) BunnyGo
BunnyGo (1) FlaviusAetius
Unvote (1) damo666
JustAGuyNamedWill (1) Hamilton Brian

The early phase has some loose votes in it - both damo and d&w unvote after some time. It feels like d&w and damo could be somewhat connected, with d&w maybe trying to bus. But that is very faint.

I also don't like kotp's vote inside text. But it looks like it's his style, so fair enough. I would prefer if he would put the vote seperately though.

d&w also looks quite engaged. Yeah, it looks unlikely he is mafia.

note that brian isn't voting chaqa, even when he pointed out previously, he would should not be forgotten as a wagon. He questions ghug when he votes chaqa. Possible Brian-chaqa connection, at least how Brian reacts.


chaqa votes flavius, after quoting the VC with the words "we're all set to die"

damo votes d&w (because he "cba", quoting a somewhat special post)

ghug votes bunny (He's got to go)

bunny votes will

yoyo votes for bunny

kotp unvotes

d&w votes flavius (stating the mafteam is yoyo+flav)

damo votes flav (doesn't want to vote ghug and yoyo unlikely)
(then has a lot of single word posts)

kotp votes will (again inside a text) (says it's a pressure vote)


Official Vote Count 2.1

BunnyGo (3) FlaviusAetius, ghug, Yoyoyozo
JustAGuyNamedWill (3) Hamilton Brian, BunnyGo, kingofthepirates
FlaviusAetius (3) Chaqa, DiplomacyandWarfare, damo666
damo666 (1) JustAGuyNamedWill

damo votes d&w, for his special post. If d&w didn't look quite so good, it's further distancing from damo. The vote is pretty inconsequential and stuff. changes to flav after a bit.

Striking again are damo's single word posts. Further he says it's a test, and then keeps going on. If I'm correct, that's probably townpoints for damo. Though that might also be just acting.

(damo again mentioning a test towards ghug)

will voting bunny (quote "if I must")
(adds that he really hates that wagon, or rather, the people on the wagon)

d&w votes will (because he looks 'scummier' than bunny with this vote)

d&w changes vote to yoyo ("how about we flashwagon yoyo?")

d&w changes vote to will


Official Vote Count 2.2

BunnyGo (4) FlaviusAetius, ghug, Yoyoyozo, JustAGuyNamedWill
JustAGuyNamedWill (4) Hamilton Brian, BunnyGo, kingofthepirates, DiplomacyandWarfare

FlaviusAetius (2) Chaqa, damo666

d&w turns up a notch, tries to get the day going. If he is mafia here, mad respect for fooling me. If he is town, also mad respect for trying to get the day going.

He mentions his will to flashwagon yoyo though, which is one of our PR, so that's not a perfect score.[/blue]


bunny votes flav (thinks he's "imploding")

d&w votes flav (would however prefer to go for yoyo instead)

bunny votes ghug (because that's crazy)

d&w votes yoyo (again) ("Let's flashwagon")

bunny votes yoyo

chaqa votes yoyo (said he will join d&w on will if this doesn't work)

YOYO CLAIMS BUFF BOY

At this point, I think it's not a usual day anymore, since the claim made quite an uproar. Still, we see some people doing stuff.

d&w votes will

chaqa votes will (adds a 'bleh' quoting yoyo's claim)

bunny votes flav

d&w votes flav (chaqa suggesting a compromise on flav, d&w agrees)
chaqa votes flav (follows instantly)

bunny votes will

bunny votes flav

bunny votes will

d&w votes will

chaqa votes bunny (no ties)

yoyo says "Dip and bunny are almost certainly mafia"


Final Day 2 Vote Count

BunnyGo (5) FlaviusAetius, ghug, Yoyoyozo, JustAGuyNamedWill, Chaqa
JustAGuyNamedWill (4) Hamilton Brian, kingofthepirates, BunnyGo, DiplomacyandWarfare
FlaviusAetius (1) damo666

Well, I'm glad that will lived so I could go on to play, but it's not the best outcome. It feels like a 'scramble for the second best', if you know what I mean.

Outstanding is the cooperation between chaqa and d&w. Also, this late suggestion for the flav-compromise makes a chaqa-flav or a d&w-flav team unlikely.

And chaqa 'saves' will. Maybe for you interesting, but I know will is definitely not maf-paired with chaqa. Maybe it was a maf-chaqa who thought, that it would be better to get rid of bunny instead of will, but in my opinion, it's not that. Well, maybe bunny was the target, and the gambler got through. But hard to know, and we can only speculate. From the progression, it looks fine enough to me.

[Kakarroto]

D2 vote progression (with some comments)

damo votes will
d&w votes damo
both at relatively start

then bunny votes ghug
ghug votes chaqa (quoting chaqa that Brian is town for suggesting him as a vote target)
kotp votes chaqa (insinde a wall of text)
flav votes bunny

damo unvotes

d&w unvotes

d&w votes chaqa
d&w votes Brian (in the following post, said the thread is dying as a reason)

will voted damo (says because mafia was on haze)

d&w votes chaqa (again) (tells four people, chaqa, yoyo, will and damo to stop lurking)


Official Vote Count 2.0

Chaqa (3) ghug, kingofthepirates, DiplomacyandWarfare
damo666 (2) JustAGuyNamedWill, Yoyoyozo
ghug (1) BunnyGo
BunnyGo (1) FlaviusAetius
Unvote (1) damo666
JustAGuyNamedWill (1) Hamilton Brian

The early phase has some loose votes in it - both damo and d&w unvote after some time. It feels like d&w and damo could be somewhat connected, with d&w maybe trying to bus. But that is very faint.

I also don't like kotp's vote inside text. But it looks like it's his style, so fair enough. I would prefer if he would put the vote seperately though.

d&w also looks quite engaged. Yeah, it looks unlikely he is mafia.

note that brian isn't voting chaqa, even when he pointed out previously, he would should not be forgotten as a wagon. He questions ghug when he votes chaqa. Possible Brian-chaqa connection, at least how Brian reacts.


chaqa votes flavius, after quoting the VC with the words "we're all set to die"

damo votes d&w (because he "cba", quoting a somewhat special post)

ghug votes bunny (He's got to go)

bunny votes will

yoyo votes for bunny

kotp unvotes

d&w votes flavius (stating the mafteam is yoyo+flav)

damo votes flav (doesn't want to vote ghug and yoyo unlikely)
(then has a lot of single word posts)

kotp votes will (again inside a text) (says it's a pressure vote)


Official Vote Count 2.1

BunnyGo (3) FlaviusAetius, ghug, Yoyoyozo
JustAGuyNamedWill (3) Hamilton Brian, BunnyGo, kingofthepirates
FlaviusAetius (3) Chaqa, DiplomacyandWarfare, damo666
damo666 (1) JustAGuyNamedWill

damo votes d&w, for his special post. If d&w didn't look quite so good, it's further distancing from damo. The vote is pretty inconsequential and stuff. changes to flav after a bit.

Striking again are damo's single word posts. Further he says it's a test, and then keeps going on. If I'm correct, that's probably townpoints for damo. Though that might also be just acting.

(damo again mentioning a test towards ghug)

will voting bunny (quote "if I must")
(adds that he really hates that wagon, or rather, the people on the wagon)

d&w votes will (because he looks 'scummier' than bunny with this vote)

d&w changes vote to yoyo ("how about we flashwagon yoyo?")

d&w changes vote to will


Official Vote Count 2.2

BunnyGo (4) FlaviusAetius, ghug, Yoyoyozo, JustAGuyNamedWill
JustAGuyNamedWill (4) Hamilton Brian, BunnyGo, kingofthepirates, DiplomacyandWarfare

FlaviusAetius (2) Chaqa, damo666

d&w turns up a notch, tries to get the day going. If he is mafia here, mad respect for fooling me. If he is town, also mad respect for trying to get the day going.

He mentions his will to flashwagon yoyo though, which is one of our PR, so that's not a perfect score.


bunny votes flav (thinks he's "imploding")

d&w votes flav (would however prefer to go for yoyo instead)

bunny votes ghug (because that's crazy)

d&w votes yoyo (again) ("Let's flashwagon")

bunny votes yoyo

chaqa votes yoyo (said he will join d&w on will if this doesn't work)

YOYO CLAIMS BUFF BOY

At this point, I think it's not a usual day anymore, since the claim made quite an uproar. Still, we see some people doing stuff.

d&w votes will

chaqa votes will (adds a 'bleh' quoting yoyo's claim)

bunny votes flav

d&w votes flav (chaqa suggesting a compromise on flav, d&w agrees)
chaqa votes flav (follows instantly)

bunny votes will

bunny votes flav

bunny votes will

d&w votes will

chaqa votes bunny (no ties)

yoyo says "Dip and bunny are almost certainly mafia"


Final Day 2 Vote Count

BunnyGo (5) FlaviusAetius, ghug, Yoyoyozo, JustAGuyNamedWill, Chaqa
JustAGuyNamedWill (4) Hamilton Brian, kingofthepirates, BunnyGo, DiplomacyandWarfare
FlaviusAetius (1) damo666

Well, I'm glad that will lived so I could go on to play, but it's not the best outcome. It feels like a 'scramble for the second best', if you know what I mean.

Outstanding is the cooperation between chaqa and d&w. Also, this late suggestion for the flav-compromise makes a chaqa-flav or a d&w-flav team unlikely.

And chaqa 'saves' will. Maybe for you interesting, but I know will is definitely not maf-paired with chaqa. Maybe it was a maf-chaqa who thought, that it would be better to get rid of bunny instead of will, but in my opinion, it's not that. Well, maybe bunny was the target, and the gambler got through. But hard to know, and we can only speculate. From the progression, it looks fine enough to me.

aaah, carp, I entered a [/blue] command, instead of a [/color] command

sorry for the blue flash

[Kakarroto]

other posts I found interesting

This is going to seem like a small thing, but this post by itself is enough for me to town read Hamilton. I've been pretty disengaged from the game due to IRL stuff (having a newborn is way more time consuming than expected lol) and he's the first person to mention me in a bit. I think mafia would be okay letting me fester and be suspicious, whereas Hamilton views me as a good wagon.

Good point. ##VOTE Chaqa

Why is it a good point and reason to vote Chaqa?

I'd like to did deeper into that mafia psychology that would be ok with an invisible Chaqa linger around.

this reaction from Brian is just strange, asking what is a good point. It should be clear that ghug wanted to make chaqa active, and not 'fester'. I think Brian is more clever than that.

Instead he says that he wants to dig deeper into that maf-psychology. I mean, if mafia keep an inactive town-chaqa around, surly it should be clear that they keep him there for a later misvote, no? I think Brian has enough games and experience to know that?

@Brian did I misrepresent you? Did I misunderstand you? It looks to me here like you try to dumbtell, so if I'm wrong, get me into the right headspace.

Can u be around EOD?

idk
probably?

I find this line of questioning from damo kind of sus.

also this post. Now, I came around damo a bit, and from the connections, it might be just that he has no good partner to be mafia. Sure, he could be paired with d&w, but I quite think he is town. At the same, he could also be teamed with me/will, but I know that that's not true.

Still, there is this thought "is this the post that let mafia decide to nk ghug?" To subtlety remove a threat without connecting? Well, maybe it is, but from another perspective. Maybe mafia saw that and wanted to imply town-damo?

Well, I don't know, but I would like your thoughts and input to it.

[sweetandcool]

Official Vote Count 3.2

FlaviusAetius (3) DiplomacyandWarfare*, Chaqa, Hamilton Brian
Hamilton Brian (3) Kakarroto, FlaviusAetius, damo666
kingofthepirates (1) Yoyoyozo
Unvote (1) kingofthepirates

Currently, nobody is set to die.

1 hour left of phase.

[Kakarroto]

well, we have about one hour to go. I've put out some things, I don't know how correct I am.

I'm also not a team leader, more like a team motivator. I'm second guessing me here, maybe I read Brian totally wrong (happened before, at the time I was even more convinced he was mafia). Maybe I'm wrong on flav and he fooled me. Maybe both are town and mafia just coasts right now.

I mean, I think I'm reasonable sus of Brian, with the endvote, what he says sometimes, and how low his vote count was that D2. But now my inner voice tells me 'what if I'm wrong'.

So if you are town, come out here and give your thoughts and opinion. It would be great if we get a mafia today, but if we misvote, let us at least have a discussion about it.

Where is yoyo, where is d&w? If you think I'm maf partner with flav trying to save him, then come here d&w and show me where I'm wrong.

Flav, you're on the block, Brian too. Did you notice anything where I was wrong? Am I going to make a big mistake?

damo, kotp, if you maybe are online, please add your thoughts too.

I know where chaqa stands, but it doesn't hurt to talk more, so if you want to add something, please, go on!

[Kakarroto]

I know, I feel like Hedgy McHedgyface, but I'm fearing a big mistake.

[Kakarroto]

also, I really dislike the unvote/no-kill vote from kotp here. If that's not coasting, what is?

But he reacted quite well, so I don't think it's a good idea to switch there. Argh.

Come on, don't let me here alone with myself!

[Hamilton Brian]

Kak, your blue font s a barrier. I can’t read it and I will not force a read of it.

You also misrepresent /misunderstand me. You are either misleading mafia, obscured town, or sinister.

[Hamilton Brian]

Kak, I retract my in-favour of your entry. You’re so off.

[Kakarroto]

yoyo, you still vote for kotp, do you think we should leave flav and Brian alone and join you there?

Well, if you're there, I guess we will have at least one confirmed town to make that choice between brian and flav, if nothing else changes. So I guess that's one kind of relief.

[Kakarroto]

Kak, I retract my in-favour of your entry. You’re so off.

oh, you're here, great!

Well, I'm town, so that means I'm misunderstanding you. Sorry about that. It happened before, and I don't know how to perfectly better myself.

Can you point out, where I'm wrong? Was the endvote analysis faulty? Am I too tunnely? Anything else?

[Kakarroto]

here, I've changed it to red. I hope it's better readable now? Or do you prefer another colour?

D2 vote progression (with some comments)

damo votes will
d&w votes damo
both at relatively start

then bunny votes ghug
ghug votes chaqa (quoting chaqa that Brian is town for suggesting him as a vote target)
kotp votes chaqa (insinde a wall of text)
flav votes bunny

damo unvotes

d&w unvotes

d&w votes chaqa
d&w votes Brian (in the following post, said the thread is dying as a reason)

will voted damo (says because mafia was on haze)

d&w votes chaqa (again) (tells four people, chaqa, yoyo, will and damo to stop lurking)


Official Vote Count 2.0

Chaqa (3) ghug, kingofthepirates, DiplomacyandWarfare
damo666 (2) JustAGuyNamedWill, Yoyoyozo
ghug (1) BunnyGo
BunnyGo (1) FlaviusAetius
Unvote (1) damo666
JustAGuyNamedWill (1) Hamilton Brian

The early phase has some loose votes in it - both damo and d&w unvote after some time. It feels like d&w and damo could be somewhat connected, with d&w maybe trying to bus. But that is very faint.

I also don't like kotp's vote inside text. But it looks like it's his style, so fair enough. I would prefer if he would put the vote seperately though.

d&w also looks quite engaged. Yeah, it looks unlikely he is mafia.

note that brian isn't voting chaqa, even when he pointed out previously, he would should not be forgotten as a wagon. He questions ghug when he votes chaqa. Possible Brian-chaqa connection, at least how Brian reacts.


chaqa votes flavius, after quoting the VC with the words "we're all set to die"

damo votes d&w (because he "cba", quoting a somewhat special post)

ghug votes bunny (He's got to go)

bunny votes will

yoyo votes for bunny

kotp unvotes

d&w votes flavius (stating the mafteam is yoyo+flav)

damo votes flav (doesn't want to vote ghug and yoyo unlikely)
(then has a lot of single word posts)

kotp votes will (again inside a text) (says it's a pressure vote)


Official Vote Count 2.1

BunnyGo (3) FlaviusAetius, ghug, Yoyoyozo
JustAGuyNamedWill (3) Hamilton Brian, BunnyGo, kingofthepirates
FlaviusAetius (3) Chaqa, DiplomacyandWarfare, damo666
damo666 (1) JustAGuyNamedWill

damo votes d&w, for his special post. If d&w didn't look quite so good, it's further distancing from damo. The vote is pretty inconsequential and stuff. changes to flav after a bit.

Striking again are damo's single word posts. Further he says it's a test, and then keeps going on. If I'm correct, that's probably townpoints for damo. Though that might also be just acting.

(damo again mentioning a test towards ghug)

will voting bunny (quote "if I must")
(adds that he really hates that wagon, or rather, the people on the wagon)

d&w votes will (because he looks 'scummier' than bunny with this vote)

d&w changes vote to yoyo ("how about we flashwagon yoyo?")

d&w changes vote to will


Official Vote Count 2.2

BunnyGo (4) FlaviusAetius, ghug, Yoyoyozo, JustAGuyNamedWill
JustAGuyNamedWill (4) Hamilton Brian, BunnyGo, kingofthepirates, DiplomacyandWarfare

FlaviusAetius (2) Chaqa, damo666

d&w turns up a notch, tries to get the day going. If he is mafia here, mad respect for fooling me. If he is town, also mad respect for trying to get the day going.

He mentions his will to flashwagon yoyo though, which is one of our PR, so that's not a perfect score.


bunny votes flav (thinks he's "imploding")

d&w votes flav (would however prefer to go for yoyo instead)

bunny votes ghug (because that's crazy)

d&w votes yoyo (again) ("Let's flashwagon")

bunny votes yoyo

chaqa votes yoyo (said he will join d&w on will if this doesn't work)

YOYO CLAIMS BUFF BOY

At this point, I think it's not a usual day anymore, since the claim made quite an uproar. Still, we see some people doing stuff.

d&w votes will

chaqa votes will (adds a 'bleh' quoting yoyo's claim)

bunny votes flav

d&w votes flav (chaqa suggesting a compromise on flav, d&w agrees)
chaqa votes flav (follows instantly)

bunny votes will

bunny votes flav

bunny votes will

d&w votes will

chaqa votes bunny (no ties)

yoyo says "Dip and bunny are almost certainly mafia"


Final Day 2 Vote Count

BunnyGo (5) FlaviusAetius, ghug, Yoyoyozo, JustAGuyNamedWill, Chaqa
JustAGuyNamedWill (4) Hamilton Brian, kingofthepirates, BunnyGo, DiplomacyandWarfare
FlaviusAetius (1) damo666

Well, I'm glad that will lived so I could go on to play, but it's not the best outcome. It feels like a 'scramble for the second best', if you know what I mean.

Outstanding is the cooperation between chaqa and d&w. Also, this late suggestion for the flav-compromise makes a chaqa-flav or a d&w-flav team unlikely.

And chaqa 'saves' will. Maybe for you interesting, but I know will is definitely not maf-paired with chaqa. Maybe it was a maf-chaqa who thought, that it would be better to get rid of bunny instead of will, but in my opinion, it's not that. Well, maybe bunny was the target, and the gambler got through. But hard to know, and we can only speculate. From the progression, it looks fine enough to me.

[damo666]

Where is yoyo?

[Kakarroto]

Where is yoyo?

yeah, that's a good question. I want to hear from him much more.

[Kakarroto]

what's your thoughts on the gamestate?

Any thoughts on my posts?

[damo666]

Where is yoyo?

yeah, that's a good question. I want to hear from him much more.

Ham and Flav obv won't move. Chaq has indicated he may not be here. I doubt Dip will move given his end vote and I assume kotp is asleep.

If yoyo doesn't come back do you prefer a tie or Flavkill?

[damo666]

what's your thoughts on the gamestate?

Any thoughts on my posts?

see previous post re gamestate

One thing in your posts you consider that I know is wrong is the bit about Dip bussing me. He didn't because I'm not scum and tbh I don't think he is either.

I think it's HamChaq or Flavkotp so either Flav or Ham is a reasonable dk from mpov.

[Kakarroto]

Where is yoyo?

yeah, that's a good question. I want to hear from him much more.

Ham and Flav obv won't move. Chaq has indicated he may not be here. I doubt Dip will move given his end vote and I assume kotp is asleep.

If yoyo doesn't come back do you prefer a tie or Flavkill?

well, I townlean flav, and his maf-team range is very limited, only kotp, right? Kotp looks fine to me too.

I do have my doubts on both though.

There is another thought, maybe we pivot to kotp. I know, it sounds a bit crazy, but he can be mafia with more people. And his time schedule is quite bad for eod anyway, so if he survives to the late game, then we will always have an issue there.

So, if we flip kotp and he turns town, we can quasi clear flav, if our assumption is correct, right? Then we have yoyo and flav as our townclears, or at least the best equivalent.

It's not a perfect vote, but there is also the case, that our townclear is voting for him, so we know at least that is town lead. So if we and a third one pivots, both brian and flav stay alive, and we get information.

I think we aren't in a good position to no-kill? Correct me if I'm wrong. We need more information and stuff.

Then again, kotp didn't have any big maff-ness to his name. I mean could be good hiding, but we might just vote out a towny that way.

Argh. Maybe no-kill is better. But that gives mafia free reign.

[Kakarroto]

what's your thoughts on the gamestate?

Any thoughts on my posts?

see previous post re gamestate

One thing in your posts you consider that I know is wrong is the bit about Dip bussing me. He didn't because I'm not scum and tbh I don't think he is either.

I think it's HamChaq or Flavkotp so either Flav or Ham is a reasonable dk from mpov.

well, I concur that d&w looks very good on reread, active and involved. Maybe today less so, but D2 he was into it.

So while I'm quite not sure of you myself, the fact that your most likely mafteam partner is so towny to me is a good indicator you are town too. (I still keep the 0.01% chance in the back of my head.)