WebMafia Olympics: Bonus Qualification Round

[FlaviusAetius]

? I dont understand this , why are you randomly bringing up a Dip & Bunny wagon, you and Dip and damo all voted basically at the same time so surely not that

There were some posts, mostly by Dip near EOD, that made me think he was coordinating to save Bunny. I got super paranoid and panicked. After last game I was kind of in a "oh crap I'm bad at mafia right now, my reads are probably all wrong" mindset.

Correct. I was almost entirely certain that Bunny was town by EoD and would have preferred any of will, yoyo (prior to pr claim), or FA to flip (or a tie) instead of bunny dying. I was coordinating to save a towncore player who was being shitpushed by mafia.

Why are you saying you were pushing for a tie thats just one big fat lie you never ever mentioned that not once ever

[FlaviusAetius]

I JUST looked up D2 and controll F'ed Diplomacy did not say "tie" or "tying" EVER

[FlaviusAetius]

I don't at all blame Will for being on the Bunny wagon yesterday.
He was being wagoned and the FA/yoyo wagons were unstable.
Whereas FA hopped on Bunny before the wagon on him started - and Chaqa hopped on a shitwagon at the end in the name of not tying.

YET, maybe if you also said that tying was a not a horrible thing, could have convinced Chaqa to try to make the tie occur. You are the one who failed to bring that possibilty up. DESPITE you saying you wanted it. Why?

[FlaviusAetius]

WIFOM

Fearkill?
They thought he was Champ?
Cause confusion?

The more interesting fact I'd yoyo remains alive. Reasons that come to mind are:

Yoyo is scum
Yoyo is town but disbelieved him (ghug expressed this, perhaps they thought he wasBB)
To get yoyo killed to farm a bet

OR yoyo got saved why is everyone pretending that cant happen

He can't have been because ghug died. However you have a point. They may have avoided yoyo thinking he would be the subject of a save.

Exactly

[FlaviusAetius]

I think there has to be a minimum of one scum in {Will, Chaqa, Flav}.

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How can you end so quickly? Whats the deal here

[FlaviusAetius]

Yep, and I am never a fan of an early end bot but I feel like we’re narrowing things down and need to move forward quickly.


What we need to remember is that bets are made at EON so we kind of have it in our favour.

Regarding yoyo’s claim, doc doesn’t suggest towns meet one another, just mafia find out if that’s the connection.

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Unlike previous days I dont think there is a single person who would have been obvious after D2 to be the D3 DK. Its a pure guessing game as to who will be it. MAYBE Will?

[FlaviusAetius]

Ending already is wild

I agree, I don’t quite think it’s necessary. Someone please explain what we get from end voting? As previously mentioned gambler can’t change votes during the day, and there aren’t any day powers. So why end?

That being said, I will go back to ##vote will. Last day it was an unfortunate pressure vote I somewhat regret never getting to take off (bc EOD shenanigans). Now it is a pressure vote that I’m fine with leaving on will if he doesn’t do anything. MIA for a while with things to explain…

D3 is a day of action how are we STILL on pressure votes? You need to actually make a case against someone you are coasting.

[FlaviusAetius]

Ending already is wild

I agree, I don’t quite think it’s necessary. Someone please explain what we get from end voting? As previously mentioned gambler can’t change votes during the day, and there aren’t any day powers. So why end?

That being said, I will go back to ##vote will. Last day it was an unfortunate pressure vote I somewhat regret never getting to take off (bc EOD shenanigans). Now it is a pressure vote that I’m fine with leaving on will if he doesn’t do anything. MIA for a while with things to explain…

@Chaqa @kotp @Ham and @rest

My reasoning for ending is twofold

i) the way the day went it is reasonably likely they bet on a Bunnykill. If we kill Will, Flav or Chaqa (I suggest Will) there is a reasonably high chance they are the gambler with immunity and we've wasted 48 hours (other than ID'ing the gambler ofc). If they are Drug Dealer all is good, a quick scum death. If they flip town then the remaining pair are probably our scumpair

ii) to scupper scumbets on high post counts which I consider quite likely

I acknowledge it shuts down discussion but there's not exactly a lot of that is there?

There being no mega downside my end vote remains.

At least give me a chance to defend myself...

[FlaviusAetius]

Or Flaviius; they were on Bunny D1 and Bunny D2.

Agenda-driven vote that can be rationalized by them BUT I think there is guilt.

Killing Haze was silly D1, and I strongly disagreed with that vote. I also disagreed with the Will wagon D1 it didnt make sense. I havent seen any coherent arguments for why Will should still be considered a mafia. He's made sus comments here and there...

However in totality? Not much

[FlaviusAetius]

Or Flaviius; they were on Bunny D1 and Bunny D2.

Agenda-driven vote that can be rationalized by them BUT I think there is guilt.

We can kill Flav 2m (unless Will survives a DK proving him gambler in which case Flav will have to wait to D5).

Flav has already hinted he's gonna vote Chaqa which points at a WillFlav pairing. But at least Flav is speaking. Will is unusually silent (as he was yesterday).

I cant decide who I think is more scum Dip or Chaqa but Im going to flip my vote because I think people agree with me more on the Chaqa thing

##vote Chaqa

[FlaviusAetius]

LET ME MAKE THIS VERY CLEAR
The idea that there was a bet on bunny dying was based on the senseless wagon from yesterday.
Therefore:
(a) if you genuinely believe Bunny was scummy and the wagon on him was justified, you should not be buying into the bet theory
(b) this idea was based ghug, yoyo, and flav being on bunny yesterday, such that at least one of them was maf
(c) note that ghug is dead and yoyo is pr
(d) also note that will was very reluctant to hop on the Bunny wagon and only did so once under pressure of being wagoned himself
(e) therefore a bet on Bunny dying ONLY makes sense if at least one of ghug, yoyo, and flav is maf
(f) therefore if Flavius is town, there was no bet on Bunny flipping yesterday

So why are you guys flagrantly advertising Will=scum, flav=town, and betonbunnyflippingd2?

ACTUALLY
YOU were the one who convinced me it wasnt Bunny on the bet but instead yoyo why are you pretending that wasnt your posistion from the jump?

I disagree with your logic entirely BTW. There is no where where its written that its predestined for mafia to be on the BUnny wagon its totally possible the way the day shook out that they werent concerned.

Actually I think the best way to treat the bets for the mafia is to make your best guess and then proceed as normal if it works out it WORKS out. If it doesnt well then oh well whatcha gonna do. So far they've gotten lucky

I suspect they wont continue to be lucky

[FlaviusAetius]

It makes ABSOLUTELY no sense that will is scum and flav is town if there was a bet on bunny yesterday.
I don't exactly townread will, but his voting yesterday was actually fine.

I AGREE it doesnt make sense, but if it turns out I am town what happens to Will then? Probs back to being suspected. Will flipping his vote could have just been simple ehhh let me do what I gotta do to survive here.

ALSO didnt you specifically say Will's vote was to save himself ? So how can that even be the case that his vote was motivated by any larger bet scheming? It just wasnt

[FlaviusAetius]

after page five, I'm somewhat sus of damo, ghug and chaqa, if only so slightly.

Had anyone of these already flipped? If so, which alignment were they?

Chaqa from the start...INTERESTING!!

[FlaviusAetius]

Written starting at 10am EST

Apologies in advance for not being in on EON. I don’t see my vote changing or it would have gone to FA. I am sorry Bunny died. It gives us information. Only thing better would have been champion putting on a second vote to tie and deny the kill. Jury is out in the better outcome.

I think a lot of the scum pool is on Bunny, and I’d like to cross reference the haze killers too.

Hard town for me is Dip
Chaqa is town
Ghug is misinformed town
I’m town
Damo is town
King is town

My pool certainly included yoyo, FA, and will

Yoyo might be but the claim is not ccd nor should it be.

Feel is that with such a coalescing on bunny guarantee of EOD target gamble. Meaning no DK of a gambler on D3, so no kill?

Coalesce on one target and END hammer.

Currently walking the aisles of a thrift store with my wife so this is disjointed.

I wish I had more to offer right now.

I’m good with a sole wagon and hammer the shit out of it.

I expect I’ll be alive for D3.

TBH heres a really interesting idea, the Gambler as I said previously almost HAS to bet on the DK as a RESULT, if they get it wrong then NO NK. I thought this would be a game of barely any NKs I am surprised they didnt pick yoyo
NOw I am very suspiciious of Diplomacy because he is the one who said that.

##vote dip

BUT If there's a tie guess what? There will be is 90% chance there is NO NK

Since when am I the one who thought the bet would be on yoyo?
I was repeatedly and flagrantly suggesting the bet was most likely on BUNNYGO.
And you know this.
So that's a ridiculous vote.

LIES. I contol F'ed and found that you said it LITERALLY in post #2 and I AGREED.

[FlaviusAetius]

So we have to hold Yoyo alive unless there’s a cc, in which case we choose one to kill.

It’s either Flav and Chaqa

Or Will.


Barring the meta of killing a sub, assume good faith that Kak/Will really is town, then Flavius is my choice today.

##Vote Flavius

Between me and Chaqa you choose me ? Why

[FlaviusAetius]

I want to go back to Will's post where he said he didn't think he'd rescind his townread of Dip. I think that's dangerous since it's reflecting a desire not to reread and reflect on players and patterns. Either Will knows more than he's letting on (mafia) or is going to be stuck and a bad final three player.

I also feel like I read a Flavius post and thought it was my words. I think he's parroting me, which is suspect.

how much influences my subbing in for will your thinking here now? Why were you especially concerned on D2 for the final three? What made you think will would survive until the end?

I dont like that everyone who was SO SURE of Will's mafianess have immediately flipped because you have a diff energy coming in. I figured Will was town from the start but almost no one has agreed with that sentiment.

VERY suspicious of the ppl who have changed right now
COUGH Dip COUGH

[FlaviusAetius]

Is X your go to for an unnamed player?

X to doubt is just a saying idk where its from or when I started using it tho

x to doubt origin.png

neat

[FlaviusAetius]

Likewise.

However, I am concerned that he might be scum since he lived past N1

FACTS. a longterm HB is mafia hands down for me

explain game one then

idk I wasnt in game 1 or even read it. IDK what happened there only that the D1 was a big mess.

[FlaviusAetius]

Tell me what you think happened EOD1

Mafia has an incentive to keep the scummiest people alive D1 so they can bet on them D2. Flav and I were spared because we’d be low hanging fruit today. That suggests you and damo

so, you think Flav is town and just kept there by mafia to vote on? I mean, I understand the claim about yourself from your perspective, but why Flav exactly?

Thank you yoyo, but I dont think this is a good enough defense for me. People need to actually read what Im saying and make their determination from there. But I AGREE someone (I dont think both) is under the radar rn that is mafia

Damo was DEF sus D1 as Kak pointed out so maybe him...beginning to suspect HB tho

[FlaviusAetius]

Eh why not

##Vote Flavius
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*zombie noises* WHY zombie wagon me