Trump shot at by his own supporters during rally

[CaptainFritz28]

I find it curious that you seem not to believe that such a thing as Biden having an administration that makes decisions exists. I'm not saying it's either of those, when they say "Biden is evil and being puppeteered," they mean "Biden is being used for evil purposes by those controlling him.

This seems to be a soft endorsement of the Biden admin being both evil and while not directly stated; agreeing softly that they orchestrated an assassination attempt and an election heist. Again, it isnt directly stated because youd rather spend your time attacking me than making a clear argument for something.

*sigh*

I see you missed my point altogether. I'll humor you. No. I don't believe that the Biden Administration tried to assassinate Trump. I think most political administrations end up evil, but the Biden Administration isn't any more than others.

Also, I'm not sure why I need to make a clear argument for anything when there is no argument going on. If there is one it need not be had, but the only argument I've been apart of is my claim that you've assumed the idiocy of everyone else for no apparent reason.

[CaptainFritz28]

well if you don't want to answer the question you can continue with the gaslighting. ill grab my popcorn.

Curious word choice there, I'd been under the impression that gaslighting was the manipulation of one's thoughts to believe something that is not true. Care to explain how I've done so?

The explanation of a political view is not an endorsement of its reality.

[CaptainFritz28]

I saw alot of posts there implying that im this out of touch crazy person and yet I didnt see a single one of you say “No trying to kill Trump was definetely not an inside job by the Biden Administration”.

So am I to assume that storyline is still on the table for you?

Why in the world would not talking about it imply assuming its truth? Am I to assume that because I've not seen you explicitly say that the Earth is round, you must be a flat-Earther?

Since you bring it up, are you saying that you are a Flat Earther? once again, youre trying to now tie me in with people who are basically troll level insanity.

I'm saying that by your logic we must both be flat earthers, which yes, is troll level insanity.

[Octavious]

Well, he's gone. Now we discover who was most efficient in capitalising on their boss's tragedy

[learnedSloth]

I don't agree at all, to be honest. What you are viewing as hypocrisy looks to me to be clear evidence that the gun friendly population of America have nuanced views regarding the right to carry guns and are not the absolutists they are often portrayed as being. "We support gun rights but believe there should be rules to protect people's safety in a range of circumstances" is a far better reflection of right wing American attitudes than the gun crazed lunatic stereotype the American left lazily thrusts upon them.

I think the opposite is true as well. Most advocates for gun control aren't absolutists either. Gun control isn't synonymous with banning guns, but any discussion of gun control tends to get the, "You can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead hands" response. This is an issue where the loudest people with absolutist views seem to be the ones that prevent any meaningful work among those with more moderate views. It is also the way that both parties tend to characterize people in the other one.

I think the apparently high stakes make people amplify their rhetoric: one side believes that more gun control would prevent these attacks, but the other side probably sees it as treading on the Bill of Rights.

Basically people on both sides feel that the other side is a threat to their... treasures.

19 ¶ Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:
21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
(Matthew 6)

[MajorMitchell]

Interesting Occam's choice
I reject the "give Trump an epiphany" choice
Give me the choice of save the kid or strike Trump from.this mortal world?
I'd strike Trump & send him to Eternity
There's no shortage of human children.

[MajorMitchell]

I'moving the Madness of the Trump supporters, wildly exaggerating the "Trump.took a bullet for the usa" nonsense & "Trump saved by hand of God which means he has been anointed by God" crape

[MajorMitchell]

Trump got hit by plastic shrapnel travelling at low speed.comparedcto the speed of a bullet

Plastic shrapnel from a screen several.metres from Trump, the screen was hit by bullet(s)

[Esquire Bertissimmo]

Trump got hit by plastic shrapnel travelling at low speed.comparedcto the speed of a bullet

Plastic shrapnel from a screen several.metres from Trump, the screen was hit by bullet(s)

This is not the prevailing view of the FBI, whose investigation confirmed the injury was caused by a bullet or bullet fragment.

Not that it's particularly relevant — the important part seems to me that he was shot at and nearly killed, as evidenced by the man behind him who was fatally shot by a bullet intended for Trump.

[MajorMitchell]

I knew when looking at first photos & videos that Trump had not been "clipped on the ear by a bullet"
Basic physics and basic understanding of head wounds.
An AR15 round has a muzzle velocity of about 3,300 feet per second
So the bullet has an incredible amount of momentum, kinetic energy.

A mere touch on a human ear would impart such an enormous amount of energy to the ear that it gets smashed.

Head wounds bleed, ears, nose, the blood pours out at first.

One sad lesson of the assassination of John Kennedy was that to be a half decent shot then military training is useful.
I believe Lee Harvey Oswald was a former US Marine & while I still believe the British Atmy does a better job of training the Webellious North American Colonists are reasonably competent at the military training in basic skills.
Higher level strategic studies, well it's Sandhurst every day of.the week that is the Gold standard

[MajorMitchell]

Bullet fragments? That's shrapnel.
There's photos of the screen getting hit by a nullet

[Esquire Bertissimmo]

Forgive me for trusting the analysis of the secret service and FBI over armchair ballistics expertise. I don't see what incentive they would have to lie in this case.

[MajorMitchell]

For a bullet to produce bullet fragments, it is required to hit something.
So if the official investigations are saying "probably bullet fragments" then that's bits of the bullet after it's hit something travelling at much, much slower speeds than the bullet's speed as it exits the barrel....
So it was at worst, a minor wound caused by shrapnel.
No shrapnel embedded in flesh
So as "gunshot wounds go" this armchair observer regards Trump's injuries as being at the trivial.end of the spectrum
Kids in Australia get worse scrapes every day & don't whine about it or need an oversized bandage

[Esquire Bertissimmo]

So as "gunshot wounds go" this armchair observer regards Trump's injuries as being at the trivial.end of the spectrum

Sure, he evidently wasn't injured very much by the bullet/bullet fragments.

Kids in Australia get worse scrapes every day & don't whine about it or need an oversized bandage

I don't doubt Trump sought to exaggerate his injuries, but the comparison to a school scrape is ridiculous. He was shot at and conceivably could have had his head exploded on live TV. Had that happened it would have been among the most impactful political events in my lifetime.

[Octavious]

I have to admit, Major, I'm not really seeing the point you're trying to make. It's a bit like someone arguing that it was the North Tower of the twin towers that fell first. I would think they were wrong, but I wouldn't know for sure and I haven't the foggiest idea why that particular detail is important.

Trump was shot at, he was very close to being killed, and he handled this particular high pressure situation brilliantly. It was Trump at his best, proving that there are at least some elements of the job that he can do and do well, and proving to some extent that he's a genuine patriot and committed to the office.

Whether his ear was hit by a bit of metal or glass or plastic... why does it matter?