WebMafia Olympics: Bonus Qualification Round

[Chaqa]

I’m gonna go against the grain a little and say I feel like Flavius feels much less like his town game from last game and more like his scum game from two games ago.

I suspect Jamie was killed as the top town poster. Nothing less, nothing more. I think scum!Flav is looking to dominate the game thread.

Scum partner maybe Yo-yo?

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

##vote chaqa
for sheeping and coasting

I think it’s almost a caricature to be voting me for sheeping at this point. That’s really the best you have?

Seriously?
You have contributed nothing this game. You have been blatantly coasting.

[Hamilton Brian]

Hey Dip,

State your case on me.

I want facts.

What have I done that is scummy?

What have I done that has been passive aggressive?

Or is this just to get under my skin so I pull a Jamie-level tirade at you?

[Hamilton Brian]

##vote chaqa
for sheeping and coasting

I think it’s almost a caricature to be voting me for sheeping at this point. That’s really the best you have?

Seriously?
You have contributed nothing this game. You have been blatantly coasting.

You successfully toss that "done nothing" grenade all over the place.

Performative posts, such as your mech post from D2, also essentially "do nothing" although the amount of confusion it might generate certainly aids mafia.

Maybe that was a little passive-aggressive?

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

Hey Dip,

State your case on me.

I want facts.

What have I done that is scummy?

What have I done that has been passive aggressive?

Or is this just to get under my skin so I pull a Jamie-level tirade at you?

You're acting like Jamie
specifically, you're forcefully demanding that everyone else explain themselves to you, and suggesting that disagreeing with you is scummy
the term would be "powerwolfing" on other sites but nobody on WebDip seems to care or even notice when someone does this

[Hamilton Brian]

Hey Dip,

State your case on me.

I want facts.

What have I done that is scummy?

What have I done that has been passive aggressive?

Or is this just to get under my skin so I pull a Jamie-level tirade at you?

You're acting like Jamie
specifically, you're forcefully demanding that everyone else explain themselves to you, and suggesting that disagreeing with you is scummy
the term would be "powerwolfing" on other sites but nobody on WebDip seems to care or even notice when someone does this

Are you being serious with me? Other than this post to you, share one with me where I have been "forcefully demanding." I want to see if it's you misunderstanding my communication style. Otherwise you are going to be implicated for making stuff up.

So help me.

[Hamilton Brian]

And that's why you're scumreading me, because I am asking people to explain themselves?

I have to walk away from this because I am going to say something regrettable and unkind.

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

I am really surprised with the damo move.

Why'd you do it damo?

You were all over the place with yoyo, flav, and haze. You usually strike me as more resolute. Like Bunny, I haven't the memory to connect events in one game from the next, but this isn't your style.

What's up?

I responded to yoyo's appeal instinctively and then was just trying to avoid a tie.

That's funny because your timing wasn't in that critical condition; there was time to assess.

You originally stated that you believed there was scum in the 3 wagons of Haze, Will, and Flavius. What do you believe now?

You actually addressed voting Haze and yoyo both in your "reads" post, so good for you for sticking to it, I guess. However there was no indication about "why" for either one. Why not?

Your votes came without qualification, as though you weren't convinced about either one.

This, for example
I am frustrated because both you and jamie have been passive-aggressively criticizing everyone.
I get that you're trying to find scum, but you're doing it in a way that isn't cooperative at all.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Im skimming p quick cuz i dont have a lot of time

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Bunnys looking real bad after day 1

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I think its possible all 3 on Bunny are jsut town. Maybe not ghug. But likely

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I have a theory that both mafia are just on Haze come eod

##VOTE DAMO for now

[Yoyoyozo]

Why is it a good point and reason to vote Chaqa?

I'd like to did deeper into that mafia psychology that would be ok with an invisible Chaqa linger around.

I’d like to hear from ghug his reasoning, but since I’m also voting chaqa, I’ll throw out my 2 cents. I’ve detailed my reasoning before, and I stick by that firmly, since nothing so far indicates to me that chaqa will change. I get RL circumstances, but for now, chaqa is a liability as town, and a coaster as mafia.

I think the idea is that if chaqa is town, his sheeping can be easily weaponized if manipulated right. If scum is able to convince whoever chaqa decides to sheep to vote some way, it’s effectively a 2 for 1 package of mis votes. Also he’s an easy miskill target for scum to divert attention to in late game when they need a miskill shield for a phase.

I’ve been really liking the quality of posts you’ve been making but you need to post more often, even if they’re just jokes. The gambler can take advantage of your consistency unfortunately

[Yoyoyozo]

I don’t understand people saying effectively “don’t vote yoyo bc bets will come true”. It invalidates that vote if guessed correctly, so what? At MAX it’s 2 votes gone, and it’ll all but confirm yoyo as mafia in my eyes at least (gambler protecting a friend or themselves). The thing I don’t get is that THIS ISNT A TOWNREAD (or if it is, it isn’t phrased as such); it’s because of a bet possibly coming true, one that isn’t even a scary one (invalidating a vote isn’t scary compared to some other bets)?? I’m not saying to vote yoyo, I’m unsure of that myself (I prefer rn to ##vote chaqa ), but I don’t get the reasoning for NOT voting yoyo. Please explain.

I think I townread kotp for this? From everyone except my own’s perspective, it’s possible I could have coordinated with a mafia partner to just barely avoid a DK to avoid being voted for the day after. I’d have to rely on someone else pointing out the gambler mechanics (of which I said it’s not safe for town to do though)

I’ll modify this point though because I am town. Mafia could use the fact that I tend to be scum read early on in order to farm a safe bet for D2. From this perspective (and the original perspective of me being mafia) we should look at people who tried to save me, people who pointed out this gambler mechanic as it relates to me, and people who switched from me late D1. I’ll read back and see who those people are but for now ##vote Damo.

[FlaviusAetius]

TIL if you quote a post those words are included in your wpp

WAIT really? Thats pretty neat

[Yoyoyozo]

The people who saved me and the people who switched from me late D1 I’m referring to the same people. What I really mean are the people who tried to start an early bandwagon on me D1.

[FlaviusAetius]

First order of business:
My analysis of mech (which I have not yet shared) suggests postcount bets are likely, along with vote bets
its also likely that, if the Gambler succeeded, they chose to set a limit of 0 posts (except 1 vote post)
lets see if the gambler postcapped anyone
EVERYONE PLEASE POST AT LEAST ONCE
this seems like a good step to take and has no real disadvantage
IF YOU HAVE BEEN 0-POSTCAPPED DO NOT POST AND SAVE YOUR VOTE

Second order of business:
way too many people were posting scumreads of yoyo during the night. A maf bet on either votes on yoyo or on yoyo being maf is extremely likely and therefore voting yoyo is a bad idea
(I realize this is probably going to make it look like me and yoyo are paired especially after jamie implied that suspicion. I don't care.)

Third order of business:
Can someone please explain the Bunny wagon from yesterday to me?

Fourth order of business:
I recommend pairs of people "swap" their votes by voting for each other's votes at EoD, to make bets on people's votes fail.

I DISAGREE, if Gambler fails on anything BUT the identity of the DK target and the postcount, THEN they reveal themselves or die . IMO this is going to be a game filled with DK's and few NK's.

I'll explain the case on Bunny SOON. I think people went all over the place with scumreads last night so I think its going to be pretty hard to say who the mafia decided would be the DK or not . We should play as normal.

I dont understand your 4th proposal

[Yoyoyozo]

Why is it a good point and reason to vote Chaqa?

I'd like to did deeper into that mafia psychology that would be ok with an invisible Chaqa linger around.

I’d like to hear from ghug his reasoning, but since I’m also voting chaqa, I’ll throw out my 2 cents. I’ve detailed my reasoning before, and I stick by that firmly, since nothing so far indicates to me that chaqa will change. I get RL circumstances, but for now, chaqa is a liability as town, and a coaster as mafia.

I think the idea is that if chaqa is town, his sheeping can be easily weaponized if manipulated right. If scum is able to convince whoever chaqa decides to sheep to vote some way, it’s effectively a 2 for 1 package of mis votes. Also he’s an easy miskill target for scum to divert attention to in late game when they need a miskill shield for a phase.

I’ve been really liking the quality of posts you’ve been making but you need to post more often, even if they’re just jokes. The gambler can take advantage of your consistency unfortunately

lol I realize how hypocritical this sounds. The post part of the gambler mech is safe to discuss because telling other people to participate more or less doesn’t help mafia (in fact telling people to post more helps weed out who may have been post capped, info that helps town) nuance, nuance. I’ll try not to get caught up in rules of thumb.

[FlaviusAetius]

I’d speed flav

Because you agreed with damo's assessment or because you scumread him for something else?

He reminds me of his last scum game.

The vibe I was getting was "look how helpful I'm being...oh no...you screwed it up...well, did you notice how I was helping? I told you they were town..." while knowing all the wagons were town.

I made really good casess that game and for ONCE people actually listened to what I had to say regarding people. I led almost every single wagon that game, whoever I wanted killed would more often than not end up being the DK.

It kinda sucks that was my scum game, but those were genuine cases I made

[FlaviusAetius]

ALSO just generally speaking who WOULDN'T be frustrated a kill they pushed ended up flipping town? Thats just silly talk to say "oh thats why he's scum"