WebMafia Olympics - Game #2 - Star Trek TNG: The Republic of Q [GAME THREAD]

[FlaviusAetius]

Flav didn't die and he is town. Good result.

Will didn't die and he is town. Good result.

Lfischl died - not so good result.

One kill was the worst result possible.

Mafia is a team game damo. We're (probably) trying to win as a team. You made an incredibly selfish move contrary to what a majority of your teammates wanted just because you believe something and waited until the last second to do that thing. I have put significant effort in this mini-game right here and you just made it almost impossible for town to win next phase by setting up.

Human to human here, no game motivation here: I've not been this angry since I had that meltdown with ghug and Durga where I called her a certain name and got a multi-game ban. I want to go nuclear for what you just did at the end of that phase - I know it's irrational, but I am just so done with mafia now after that by you.

I think you have major blinders on right here, damo effectively brought the game back to D1, he really didnt do anything he gave us an opportunity to go for a multikill here D2, and have a fairly good shot

[President Eden]

Flav didn’t die and he is town. Good result.

Will didn’t die and he is town. Good result.

Lfischl died - not so good result.

One kill was the worst result possible.

Mafia is a team game damo. We’re (probably) trying to win as a team. You made an incredibly selfish move contrary to what a majority of your teammates wanted just because you believe something and waited until the last second to do that thing. I have put significant effort in this mini-game right here and you just made it almost impossible for town to win next phase by setting up.

Human to human here, no game motivation here: I’ve not been this angry since I had that meltdown with ghug and Durga where I called her a certain name and got a multi-game ban. I want to go nuclear for what you just did at the end of that phase - I know it’s irrational, but I am just so done with mafia now after that by you.

I think you have major blinders on right here, damo effectively brought the game back to D1, he really didnt do anything he gave us an opportunity to go for a multikill here D2, and have a fairly good shot

wtf are you doing dude. you’re literally arguing with the dead.

[FlaviusAetius]

Three town deaths would have been disastrous no?

Again, that’s assuming that they’re all town. When it seemed like we were all pretty aligned on who we thought wasn’t. So again, why is Flav so obviously town in your eyes?

Well yes. I mean I don't know but I got that feel so I did what I think best. Flav's top townreads coincided with mine and he could have easily voted me if he were scum, he didn't so he isn't. Simple as that.

The reason I didnt vote for you was very simple. The wagon on you was based off a simple misunderstanding, and now that I look at it, those who jumped on you are looking very sus.
Additionally I felt if we were going to vote a lurker D1, the best one to do was fischl, not the dude who literally just contributed

[FlaviusAetius]

One kill was the worst result possible.

Mafia is a team game damo. We’re (probably) trying to win as a team. You made an incredibly selfish move contrary to what a majority of your teammates wanted just because you believe something and waited until the last second to do that thing. I have put significant effort in this mini-game right here and you just made it almost impossible for town to win next phase by setting up.

Human to human here, no game motivation here: I’ve not been this angry since I had that meltdown with ghug and Durga where I called her a certain name and got a multi-game ban. I want to go nuclear for what you just did at the end of that phase - I know it’s irrational, but I am just so done with mafia now after that by you.

I think you have major blinders on right here, damo effectively brought the game back to D1, he really didnt do anything he gave us an opportunity to go for a multikill here D2, and have a fairly good shot

wtf are you doing dude. you’re literally arguing with the dead.

I dont think worcej's opinions are shared by just him

[FlaviusAetius]

what in tarnation

Start figuring out how we can maintain control of the day kill on day 2.

I’m too angry-blind to see a solution to our problem.

sir yes sir

humble suggestion - don’t be mad at caught scum damo for making open scum power plays

Did read what I said about damo's move? Do you still think its an open scum power play or maybe just maybe it was just a smart move? Im not saying damo shouldn't die D2, we have lots of kill to go around after all.

I just think you are looking at this situation all wrong

[FlaviusAetius]

Why is 3-2 preferable to 5-2?

Information.

You're intelligent enough to already know that answer dude.

??? If you wanted information N1 NK is the best one for that, fischl was a genuine candidate to be killed D1, was he truly the best for that? NO. He's a wasted MK in the scenario you wanted.

Instead he's been made into something worthwhile , we essentially reset the game! An opportunity for a D1 but with more info

[FlaviusAetius]

Yea so as I teased a moment ago, damo’s play only makes sense from scum perspective IMO.

Being confident in your townreads is good enough reason to stop the triple kill, because you’re not actually depriving town of a town-directed kill by slowing things down to 2 kills instead of 3. But it’s not good enough reason to derail the double kill because it takes away our ability to safely double kill next turn and possibly engineers our demise if the mafia figure out how to force a double kill next phase.

I firmly believe town damo would have worked that out and chosen one of two townreads between Will and Flav to save. It’s just too much of a selfish hero play for town damo IMO. And it perfectly aligns with scum incentives if you’re already not long for this world.

Real questions to me are:
(1) should we not simply double kill tomorrow anyway despite the risk? I am that confident damo is scum here.
(2) does scum damo do that if his partner is also one of Flav or Will?

I dont get why scum damo would do that, whose he really saving? Remember I said this is a new D1 we have, he's just delaying the inevitable. The only way this is a great move by scum damo is if we choose to only kill one person this day(damo). Making the game...3-2 in D3. Not great.

[FlaviusAetius]

Actually I just had a pretty interesting idea. What IF we killed will & me this turn, then one other.

Since damo is a lock kill anyways why waste that kill today ?
I almost think any 3 kill combo is going to get at least one mafia

[TheFlyingBoat]

Why is 3-2 preferable to 5-2?

Information.

You're intelligent enough to already know that answer dude.

??? If you wanted information N1 NK is the best one for that, fischl was a genuine candidate to be killed D1, was he truly the best for that? NO. He's a wasted MK in the scenario you wanted.

Instead he's been made into something worthwhile , we essentially reset the game! An opportunity for a D1 but with more info

In what world do you get more info from an NK of the most townread person over the actual machinations of a day

[FlaviusAetius]

Information.

You're intelligent enough to already know that answer dude.

??? If you wanted information N1 NK is the best one for that, fischl was a genuine candidate to be killed D1, was he truly the best for that? NO. He's a wasted MK in the scenario you wanted.

Instead he's been made into something worthwhile , we essentially reset the game! An opportunity for a D1 but with more info

In what world do you get more info from an NK of the most townread person over the actual machinations of a day

GUIDANCE!
We should treat whatever worcej says as basically gospel , and since we get multiple kills today we should also do the opposite , that way if they killed worcej cause hew as getting close to the truth, boom we got a mafia.
If they killed worcej cause he was way oof, boom we got a mafia

Either way its perfect.

[President Eden]

In short:

- You should advocate for a triple kill if you wisely recognize our only realistic chance of winning is to hit mafia today, and you believe we can overcome the coordination problem of needing to maintain a tie against hostile actors.

- You should advocate for a double kill if you also wisely recognize our only realistic chance of winning is to hit mafia today, but you are worried about the coordination problem.

- You should advocate for a single kill if your short-term risk-aversion prohibits you from seeing past your nose.

I’m going to keep hammering this home for visibility for anyone catching up and feeling overwhelmed by the complexity of the discussion here. It’s a pretty fascinating problem in the abstract, but trying to get your head around it all might be stressful when the game is riding on it.

I firmly believe this is objectively correct no matter who you think is town or mafia, and that the debate is mostly over which 2 or 3 people to kill (and secondarily whether to kill 2 safely or try for 3).

[FlaviusAetius]

This is my last post of the night phase.

I need to step back - I am irrationally angry.

I feel like you need a hug. That just happened so fast and against what I felt like was town’s agreed on or majority direction.

There are 2 live mafia as you well know.

Btw you didn't vote for any of the top 4 wagons. The only player not to do so.

This is actually pretty wild, if you think damo messed up the day than so did Glitter

[President Eden]

??? If you wanted information N1 NK is the best one for that, fischl was a genuine candidate to be killed D1, was he truly the best for that? NO. He’s a wasted MK in the scenario you wanted.

Instead he’s been made into something worthwhile , we essentially reset the game! An opportunity for a D1 but with more info

In what world do you get more info from an NK of the most townread person over the actual machinations of a day

GUIDANCE!
We should treat whatever worcej says as basically gospel , and since we get multiple kills today we should also do the opposite , that way if they killed worcej cause hew as getting close to the truth, boom we got a mafia.
If they killed worcej cause he was way oof, boom we got a mafia

Either way its perfect.

That just makes me think damo is somehow town and you’re wanting to steer us onto damo + a fatal 2nd miskill somewhere else lol.

[FlaviusAetius]

In short:

- You should advocate for a triple kill if you wisely recognize our only realistic chance of winning is to hit mafia today, and you believe we can overcome the coordination problem of needing to maintain a tie against hostile actors.

- You should advocate for a double kill if you also wisely recognize our only realistic chance of winning is to hit mafia today, but you are worried about the coordination problem.

- You should advocate for a single kill if your short-term risk-aversion prohibits you from seeing past your nose.

I’m going to keep hammering this home for visibility for anyone catching up and feeling overwhelmed by the complexity of the discussion here. It’s a pretty fascinating problem in the abstract, but trying to get your head around it all might be stressful when the game is riding on it.

I firmly believe this is objectively correct no matter who you think is town or mafia, and that the debate is mostly over which 2 or 3 people to kill (and secondarily whether to kill 2 safely or try for 3).

We should go for three people today, I'd be pretty curious to hear everyone's opinions on whether we do 2 vs 3

[FlaviusAetius]

In what world do you get more info from an NK of the most townread person over the actual machinations of a day

GUIDANCE!
We should treat whatever worcej says as basically gospel , and since we get multiple kills today we should also do the opposite , that way if they killed worcej cause hew as getting close to the truth, boom we got a mafia.
If they killed worcej cause he was way oof, boom we got a mafia

Either way its perfect.

That just makes me think damo is somehow town and you’re wanting to steer us onto damo + a fatal 2nd miskill somewhere else lol.

ACTUALLY, I think maybe we dont kill damo today, he's a lockill anyways for the D3 massacre, so why waste a kill on him today?

[President Eden]

I feel like you need a hug. That just happened so fast and against what I felt like was town’s agreed on or majority direction.

There are 2 live mafia as you well know.

Btw you didn’t vote for any of the top 4 wagons. The only player not to do so.

This is actually pretty wild, if you think damo messed up the day than so did Glitter

My problem is that damo is shading GlitterBomb here for not voting damo + the 2 people damo saved + a flipped townie, then in other posts he angles for towncred because his actions “saved townies.” By his own reasoning he shouldn’t be attacking GlitterBomb here.

[GlitterBomb]

I feel like you need a hug. That just happened so fast and against what I felt like was town’s agreed on or majority direction.

There are 2 live mafia as you well know.

Btw you didn't vote for any of the top 4 wagons. The only player not to do so.

This is actually pretty wild, if you think damo messed up the day than so did Glitter

How so?

[FlaviusAetius]

OK I just thought of a LEGENDARY IDEA, Im going to colorcode the FINAL vote total for D1, and no one better say "oh this is just so he can contribute without actually contributing" because I AM! I just thought this would be a neat idea since I didnt realize that Glittr didnt vote for top 4 wagons like damo said.


TOWNIE= green(worcej + fischl)
FlaviusAetius = YELLOW
Damo666 = LIGHT BLUE
GlitterBomb = PINK
[color=#fbaf3a Chaqa [/color] = ORANGE
JustAGuyNamedWill = GRAY
Lfischl = LIGHT GREEN
worcej = DARK GREEN
President Eden = DARK BLUE
TheFlyingBoat = BROWN

Lfischl (7) - worcej , President Eden , FlaviusAetius , [color=#fbaf3a Chaqa [/color], JustAGuyNamedWill , TheFlyingBoat , Damo666

FlaviusAetius (6) - worcej , TheFlyingBoat , President Eden , GlitterBomb , Lfischl , JustAGuyNamedWill

JustaGuyNamedWill (6) - worcej , [color=#fbaf3a Chaqa [/color], FlaviusAetius , President Eden , TheFlyingBoat , Damo666

Damo666 (5) - TheFlyingBoat , worcej , President Eden , [color=#fbaf3a Chaqa [/color], JustAGuyNamedWill

PresidentEden (3) - worcej , [color=#fbaf3a Chaqa [/color], GlitterBomb

Worcej (3) - FlaviusAetius , JustAGuyNamedWill , Damo666

GlitterBomb (2) - [color=#fbaf3a Chaqa [/color], Damo666

Chaqa (1) - Damo666

[Chaqa]

@Eden how would we go about executing the 3-kill plan? Don’t we need a court person to make it work?

[FlaviusAetius]

There are 2 live mafia as you well know.

Btw you didn't vote for any of the top 4 wagons. The only player not to do so.

This is actually pretty wild, if you think damo messed up the day than so did Glitter

How so?

turns out damo was just wrong so NVM