WebMafia Olympics - Game #2 - Star Trek TNG: The Republic of Q [GAME THREAD]

[GlitterBomb]

You’re kinda on point here.

This is a game of deduction and reasoning.

That being said, how do you feel about the fact Flavius is proposing to vote for low content people while he admonished my votes early for will and eden as bad?

My mom always taught me that when you point one finger, you have three more pointing back at you! So that’s what I’m thinking of Flavius at the current moment.

I feel like the more important question here is : Is your profile photo Bob Barker?! If so, why????? Very random but I’m so here for it!

Actual answer: I GM’ed a Price is Right themed game and never changed it back

Gotcha! Big fan of price is right!

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Glitter who are your top scumreads?

[lfischl]

Alright i'm here sorry for the delay had a busy last 24 hours, will catch up rq

[lfischl]

Alright just from first thoughts I think Flav is probably scum here

[lfischl]

Caught up! Severely disliking the lack of posts made

1. Chaqa
2. Damo666
3. FlaviusAetius
4. Glitterbomb
5. JustAGuyNamedWill
6. Lfischl
7. President Eden
8. TheFlyingBoat
9. Worcej

these are all the people so far

damo = nobody
fischl = nobody
glitterbomb = nobody
chaqa = nobody

nobody = you havent contirbuted A LOT to the game so far im voting for one of those people i think their the skaters of D1 first 24 hours

Considering the fact that I had to take my husband to the hospital yesterday right as the game started and then juggle two children without power because a massive storm rolled through, I was pleased with the 3 or so posts I did manage to make. Also, most of the commentary was talking about bots and vote counts which I don’t understand. So just saying I’m going to be a potential vote or that I’m nobody based on those observations is super lame.

love this post

[GlitterBomb]

Hi There! I’m just gonna be fully transparent here and admit that this is my first mafia game. Brain ran me through what all the different terms and such are, but I am definitely going to be learning. Another plus is that my hubby has forced me to watch SNG and especially all of the Q episodes, so at least I understand that!

Not 100% sure what we are supposed to talk about? Do you all just start throwing out suspicions to see what happens?

Looking forward to it!

First mafia game here, online on a forum, or just period ever?

I think even if you have never played mafia, understanding the basic concept is pretty easy I mean there's a reason amogus grew so popular, mafia forum tho is a wholeeeee different ball game

I’m learning that! Geesh.

[TheFlyingBoat]

First mafia game here, online on a forum, or just period ever?

I think even if you have never played mafia, understanding the basic concept is pretty easy I mean there's a reason amogus grew so popular, mafia forum tho is a wholeeeee different ball game

I’m learning that! Geesh.

Yeah haha, that's why I asked! Playing in person creates bad habits and then coming online requires breaking them, but since you never played anywhere before, just feel your way around and ask good questions and you'll be a pro in no time!

[TheFlyingBoat]

I think we should be cautious about voting rather than gung ho. So I don't like worcej's early votes but I don't scum him for it.

Agreed

Eden's soft voting suggestion (now thankfully abandoned) I think came from a town pov.

Agreed

Yes Chaqa you fucked up!

Agreed

I suspect at least one mafia yet to post.

Agreed, and as mentioned back before most people had posted, I think scum is likely to be more careful here than in normal games due to the double day and no takesies-backsies on votes. They will try to find wagons on town started by town and push them to completion, which is why I thought the manipulatable and untracked soft-votes without the bot was dangerous and why early votes are a little worrying (though as mentioned don't think worcej is scum for it)

commentary in bold

[worcej]

I see a whole lot of commentary on what has happened and no actions from it.

[TheFlyingBoat]

Not having a bot is gonna be cheeks lol.

That’s all I got for now

I actually think it might be better there's too much fake analysis that occurs in these games, we need more raw takes

ok been seeing this random bolding in a few comments from flav, is this one of those enhanced readability things that was popular pop science a long time ago or is there something more to it that I don't know since I've never played with him?

[TheFlyingBoat]

I think it's better to just hunt for scum lmao, but that being said, when all else is equal in terms of my scum sus on a series of people I'll generally vote for the least useful of those people and in my experience it has borne out in history as the better things to do.

When we got rid of shit town early and tracked VCA we tended to do well and when I was mafia, I explicitly tried to force the opposite to occur by going on what I thought at the time to be a suicide run to get rid of durga.

I don't like this take only because you're implying we have free time here to employ VCA.

We have 2 miskills boss - you don't have the luxury to just toss one out.

I am pretty sure this is false, we have 9 people at the start, two miskills brings us down to 7, mafia kill one, now its 6. 4 town vs 2 mafia we still can win the game. Even THREE miskills D1 with that scenario Jamie pointed wouldnt mean gameover

I do think it is weird that you've made multiple posts and made it thus far in your reread and are opting to retread mechanical discussions that have already happened in addition to other high fluff, low engagement posts. Like this is a point I literally already made. Pretty sus to me and reeks of fake engagement

[GlitterBomb]

What happens when you have a draft?! Where does it go?! Cannot find it anywhere!

[TheFlyingBoat]

Join me and vote for him?

Not yet lol that was a joke. I disagree with Eden and think that without the bot, the soft vote mechanic is probably mafia-sided, but I don't think based on his reasoning and wording that it was scummy but rather him just being dumb. Open to having my mind changed by you that it was scummy or by Eden that he's right, but for me, I think town is going to be active early while scum plays a little apprehensive during D1 of a double day, before pushing onto town-generated wagons on town in the mid-to-end of D1.

Here's a great strategy to play as mafia, they are going to have one person whose open and talking and one person whose semi lurking ( impossible ) to fully lurk in this small game, right ?

So probably a skater everyone should reserve one vote for a skater, one vote for a yapper, and then the third vote for whoever

I mean like theoretically I think this makes sense for a 2 mafia setup in a world where it's single day and there is the ability to switch votes. You have the open wolfer and the deep threat, a classic duo. But as explained, I think this setup changes the calculus of the mafia team to one of extreme risk aversion and wanting us to make the make first mistake before they seize upon it if that makes sense. Because where town can unvote and you have the classic deadline flashes and can track wagonomics it makes much more sense for the mafia to play a more active role in controlling the pace and pushes of wagons.

[TheFlyingBoat]

Your vote also “means nothing” here. It’s not a credible threat. And you can’t even take it back, so now what?

Can you explain why it means nothing? IMO the fact it can't be taken back makes it a credible threat. Unless you're arguing the wanton nature of it makes it not mean anything?

I think Eden is thinking exactly what I am; because worcej has voted so early, he is going to be arguing that Eden & Will are mafia pretty much no matter what they do or say. He can practically be ignored for them, and he'd rather focus his attention to make sure others don't follow his folly

Yes and no. I think the point that worcej and I made separately is that this is going to be more about who you choose to save among the town more than anything. While there is no going back on Eden and Will and why I would have preferred waiting, I think worcej does have the flexibility to act when you accept his premise. Don't have to like it to see the coherence.

[TheFlyingBoat]

Talking about meta reasons why worcej is acting sus here, I generally think worcej is a smart fellow, in fact when I was scum in my last mafia game I took him out for that reason, he isn't acting very smart here, not good

Not only did he not read the setup correctly regarding MK's he ALSO parked two votes early on little evidence

You fearkilled worc early? Damn has the meta changed that much while I was gone?!?!? I suppose me, durga, snowy, and kgray being gone has changed things Hasn't ghug been around though? I know he isn't as good as me, but he's still alright

Ok, more seriously, despite having some fun over beer following a job interview, I think you're oversussing worcej here. I think the miscount on MKs and the parked votes are both NAI to town-reading honestly.

[TheFlyingBoat]

Caught up! Severely disliking the lack of posts made

1. Chaqa
2. Damo666
3. FlaviusAetius
4. Glitterbomb
5. JustAGuyNamedWill
6. Lfischl
7. President Eden
8. TheFlyingBoat
9. Worcej

these are all the people so far

damo = nobody
fischl = nobody
glitterbomb = nobody
chaqa = nobody

nobody = you havent contirbuted A LOT to the game so far im voting for one of those people i think their the skaters of D1 first 24 hours

I think scum is almost certainly in the nobody+you list

[TheFlyingBoat]

I just realized this is a terrible idea lol.

It needs consensus… meaning if we pick a townie then the mafia can simply wait to see how we vote and counteract it at the last minute. And if we pick a mafia, we just lose.

It was a good try while it lasted…

Well, technically any deviation from consensus would be instantly caught and could be defeated if by rule the designated survivor was the last to vote and we enforced a scheduled vote by RNG with the designated survivor being the one to run the RNG schedule generation.

That being said most people should be highly reticent to engage in such a plan unless they are the designated survivor and if not for the fact that more than two people signed onto this plan I'd find it highly suspicious it got as much traction as it did.

[worcej]

Talking about meta reasons why worcej is acting sus here, I generally think worcej is a smart fellow, in fact when I was scum in my last mafia game I took him out for that reason, he isn't acting very smart here, not good

Not only did he not read the setup correctly regarding MK's he ALSO parked two votes early on little evidence

You fearkilled worc early? Damn has the meta changed that much while I was gone?!?!? I suppose me, durga, snowy, and kgray being gone has changed things Hasn't ghug been around though? I know he isn't as good as me, but he's still alright

Ok, more seriously, despite having some fun over beer following a job interview, I think you're oversussing worcej here. I think the miscount on MKs and the parked votes are both NAI to town-reading honestly.

I was shocked too, NGL

[President Eden]

Not having a bot is gonna be cheeks lol.

That’s all I got for now

I actually think it might be better there’s too much fake analysis that occurs in these games, we need more raw takes

ok been seeing this random bolding in a few comments from flav, is this one of those enhanced readability things that was popular pop science a long time ago or is there something more to it that I don’t know since I’ve never played with him?

More or less. He’s told us in the past that he uses a lot of emphasis to make his points.

The trouble is that last game we all thought it was pretty dumb and ignored him for it, and it turned out he was mafia and actively leaning into the fact that random emphasis makes your posts look stupid and unreadable to get written off as “Flav doing dumb shit” and not “Flav is mafia.”

I just realized this is a terrible idea lol.

It needs consensus… meaning if we pick a townie then the mafia can simply wait to see how we vote and counteract it at the last minute. And if we pick a mafia, we just lose.

It was a good try while it lasted…

Well, technically any deviation from consensus would be instantly caught and could be defeated if by rule the designated survivor was the last to vote and we enforced a scheduled vote by RNG with the designated survivor being the one to run the RNG schedule generation.

That being said most people should be highly reticent to engage in such a plan unless they are the designated survivor and if not for the fact that more than two people signed onto this plan I’d find it highly suspicious it got as much traction as it did.

I don’t know about the second half of this. I think I often find a good townread on D1 that actually pans out the rest of the way. I bet most other people do too. And if enough people agree on one of them then your odds are still really really good. It’s risky obviously, but if you solve the voting alignment problem it’s a pretty good bet.

And I think your proposal actually does solve the voting alignment problem, so now I’m interested again lol.

[President Eden]

It should probably also allay suspicions that the plan is scum motivated to point out that the two most vocal proponents, myself and Will, cannot be the designated survivors ourselves thanks to worcej lol.

So, you know, there’s that.