WebMafia Olympics - Game #2 - Star Trek TNG: The Republic of Q [GAME THREAD]

[President Eden]

The thing about Flav is that his takes are so bogus and easy to debunk that it would make one think he is town because of how inconsistent it is but like I’m gonna wifom and say he’s scum

FWIW, last game he very openly and explicitly leaned into this exact assumption as scum. It’s why I’m 50:50 on just voting him now despite my principles…

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

…oh

In fairness, me pointing it out isn’t what made it nonviable. You don’t think they would have just gone alone and plopped committal votes down first, do you?

Well seeing how two of my top scum reads already have, yes

That’s not the same thing at all lol. In the context of your plan, mafia had two counterplays:

1) Roll with it if it looks like one of their own would be selected. They may commit before some townies in that case, but they still won’t commit until they start seeing townies commit first.
2) Wait as long as possible to commit if it looks like a townie would be selected. Let the votes fall where they will, and then engineer a day where a lot of townies die and they win. It’s strictly optimal for them to wait—if everyone else goes first they win; if others are hesitant, the plan loses consensus and falls apart and they don’t lose.

That’s very different from a random mafia player dropping a vote here or there to push their agenda

Yeah that’s true.

[Chaqa]

Lol jk but it would be funny

So far there’s at leastone within Flav Eden Worc and likely 1 in the rest.

TOWN

Glitter
FlyingBoat
Lfischl
Damo
Eden
Worc
Flavius

SCUM

Keep in mind outside of the italicized and lfisch the others are pretty interchangeable and are based purely on vibes

I'm sorry, but having seven people listed as town at this stage is either laughably optimistic or purposefully broad.

Like, how the hell, after 9 pages, are you feeling that way?

Nono it’s a spectrum from towniest to scummiest

I've got my eyes on you

[worcej]

Thanks! I’m not gonna just sit back and take it, wasn’t a strategy on my part…. Just a crappy day.

So now when it comes to what we are supposed to be doing…. Is it basically just throw out accusations and see how people behave and then based on history of how they’ve been in previous games, making conclusions accordingly? If so, then I’m suspicious of Flavius just throwing out voting early for no other reason than less than adequate posting (according to him) on Day 1. With that logic, are we just throwing crap at the wall and seeing what sticks? I asked questions, I engaged about the shorthand…. And for someone who doesn’t really know what the heck I’m doing, I don’t know what more can be expected of me?

You’re kinda on point here.

This is a game of deduction and reasoning.

That being said, how do you feel about the fact Flavius is proposing to vote for low content people while he admonished my votes early for will and eden as bad?

My mom always taught me that when you point one finger, you have three more pointing back at you! So that’s what I’m thinking of Flavius at the current moment.

I feel like the more important question here is : Is your profile photo Bob Barker?! If so, why????? Very random but I’m so here for it!

Actual answer: I GM’ed a Price is Right themed game and never changed it back

[worcej]

Boooooo

I think I know why you did as well bc if this post you quoted is the reason you voted me, im assuming you think I would be excited to start the game as scum and thus would be the first to post

Am I right or am I right lol

I just dont understand the post, usually in the start of the game people are trying to break the ice and get people talking , you definetly didnt do that with your first post, ontop of that you also said " Second " not FIRST. ummm? You were first so why type second

I DID do that you just didn’t read like a single post down what are you talking about????

You are clearly just looking for reasons to scum somebody. I’d be very surprised if two or three posts down you didn’t completely revert to scumming idk damo or worcej

I’ll be interested to see Will’s progression from here on.

[worcej]

##vote worcej

So much hedging to finally get here.

##vote Flavius

Two posts away from the previous I quoted

Did you miss the progression of Flavius?

[worcej]

I say if you do think my plan has some merit just don’t mention who your candidate is and just vote ppl you think are scummy

Already 2/3 of the way ahead of you.

[worcej]

The thing about Flav is that his takes are so bogus and easy to debunk that it would make one think he is town because of how inconsistent it is but like I’m gonna wifom and say he’s scum

Then vote him with me?

[worcej]

…oh

In fairness, me pointing it out isn’t what made it nonviable. You don’t think they would have just gone alone and plopped committal votes down first, do you?

Well seeing how two of my top scum reads already have, yes

That’s not the same thing at all lol. In the context of your plan, mafia had two counterplays:

1) Roll with it if it looks like one of their own would be selected. They may commit before some townies in that case, but they still won’t commit until they start seeing townies commit first.
2) Wait as long as possible to commit if it looks like a townie would be selected. Let the votes fall where they will, and then engineer a day where a lot of townies die and they win. It’s strictly optimal for them to wait—if everyone else goes first they win; if others are hesitant, the plan loses consensus and falls apart and they don’t lose.

That’s very different from a random mafia player dropping a vote here or there to push their agenda

Number 2 is why I am very against waiting to drop votes and just doing the hypo thing.

Yes, I get that my votes can still be used by scum to accomplish an agenda, but they have to actually have to make cases to justify the vote pattern to get their desired outcome

[President Eden]

Well seeing how two of my top scum reads already have, yes

That’s not the same thing at all lol. In the context of your plan, mafia had two counterplays:

1) Roll with it if it looks like one of their own would be selected. They may commit before some townies in that case, but they still won’t commit until they start seeing townies commit first.
2) Wait as long as possible to commit if it looks like a townie would be selected. Let the votes fall where they will, and then engineer a day where a lot of townies die and they win. It’s strictly optimal for them to wait—if everyone else goes first they win; if others are hesitant, the plan loses consensus and falls apart and they don’t lose.

That’s very different from a random mafia player dropping a vote here or there to push their agenda

Number 2 is why I am very against waiting to drop votes and just doing the hypo thing.

Yes, I get that my votes can still be used by scum to accomplish an agenda, but they have to actually have to make cases to justify the vote pattern to get their desired outcome

The flip side is that scum actually benefit from dropping votes on townies early because there aren’t real consequences for it. A random vote on a townie can’t come back to bite them in quite the same way it might for a townie, because if it “accidentally” miskills the townie, that advances scum agenda. It enables them to have a more static view of the game because “oops, can’t change my vote for X, I guess I better push them.” Or if they need to pivot, “sorry guys, I know I voted Y earlier but I think we really should do X instead.”

None of that is applicable to Will’s specific plan of course, but that’s a unique situation anyway.

[Chaqa]

Can we still hammer if we wanted in theory?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I'm sorry, but having seven people listed as town at this stage is either laughably optimistic or purposefully broad.

Like, how the hell, after 9 pages, are you feeling that way?

Nono it’s a spectrum from towniest to scummiest

I've got my eyes on you

Oh boy this game is gonna be a fun one

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

So much hedging to finally get here.

##vote Flavius

Two posts away from the previous I quoted

Did you miss the progression of Flavius?

No i just thought it was funny

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I say if you do think my plan has some merit just don’t mention who your candidate is and just vote ppl you think are scummy

Already 2/3 of the way ahead of you.

Lol but you did it before anyone saw any merit in it

[President Eden]

Can we still hammer if we wanted in theory?

I don’t see why not

[President Eden]

Lol jk but it would be funny

So far there’s at leastone within Flav Eden Worc and likely 1 in the rest.

TOWN

Glitter
FlyingBoat
Lfischl
Damo
Eden
Worc
Flavius

SCUM

Keep in mind outside of the italicized and lfisch the others are pretty interchangeable and are based purely on vibes

I'm sorry, but having seven people listed as town at this stage is either laughably optimistic or purposefully broad.

Like, how the hell, after 9 pages, are you feeling that way?

Something’s not quite right here.

Will treats lfischl as basically blank:

Lmaoooooo we should have everyone vote everyone except me hehheheheheheh

worcej is the obviously correct Designated Survivor here.

No lol

I mean full transparency if people are actually doing this then we should do fisch since his chance of being scum is just literally 2/7 and without any outside bias from us to decide what his alignment might be

But he’s third most townie on the rankings?

That implies at least a scumlean on damo and Chaqa on top of his assertion that at least one of me/worc/Flav is mafia.

Seems… broad? (If I may steal my alter ego’s homework.) And not readily apparent from the way Will is actually talking about the players.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Lol jk but it would be funny

So far there’s at leastone within Flav Eden Worc and likely 1 in the rest.

TOWN

Glitter
FlyingBoat
Lfischl
Damo
Eden
Worc
Flavius

SCUM

Keep in mind outside of the italicized and lfisch the others are pretty interchangeable and are based purely on vibes

I'm sorry, but having seven people listed as town at this stage is either laughably optimistic or purposefully broad.

Like, how the hell, after 9 pages, are you feeling that way?

Something’s not quite right here.

Will treats lfischl as basically blank:

worcej is the obviously correct Designated Survivor here.

No lol

I mean full transparency if people are actually doing this then we should do fisch since his chance of being scum is just literally 2/7 and without any outside bias from us to decide what his alignment might be

But he’s third most townie on the rankings?

That implies at least a scumlean on damo and Chaqa on top of his assertion that at least one of me/worc/Flav is mafia.

Seems… broad? (If I may steal my alter ego’s homework.) And not readily apparent from the way Will is actually talking about the players.

Bit of a misunderstanding, I felt that fisch was a good candidate because nobody had any scum/town leans on fisch, which would essentially, in towns eyes, be a 7/9 chance of winning

Now if it was my personal preference, id pick glitter. But I knew if i picked any player that had actively contributed it would cause more suspicion

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

To avoid any further confusion

TOWN
Glitter
FlyingBoat

NULL
Lfischl
Damo

SCUM
Eden
Worc
Flavius

Ordered within groups

[President Eden]

I see I misread. I said you had a scumlean on Chaqa, but a closer review shows he’s not there at all.

He’s not on your next list either. This despite you directly engaging him a couple times…

What’s up with that?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

To avoid any further confusion

TOWN
Glitter
FlyingBoat

NULL
Lfischl
Chaqa
Damo

SCUM
Eden
Worc
Flavius

Ordered within groups

I think I forgot him because I assumed there were only 9 players. Plus eden saying its a 2/9 chance of hitting mafia if we do it random threw me off because i didnt realize he was excluding himself