WebMafia Olympics - Game #2 - Star Trek TNG: The Republic of Q [GAME THREAD]

[FlaviusAetius]

Because 4-2 if we go 1-1, it's 3-1 into the night and 2-1 after. So that's 3 MKs in a 9 person game.

The 3rd miskill is 100% dependent on getting a scum. I wouldn't really consider it an "available" MK like you are.

Either you knew there werent 2 MKs or you didnt , it sounds a lot like you didnt , I think thats good coming out of you

[FlaviusAetius]

Still dislike the reasoning behind the vote but like how do i defend against being scummed for posting first lmao

I mean I dont usually post first anyways as either alignment, this is an outlier

No but this isnt why you are being viewed as scum , its the content of the first post not just that you posted first

[FlaviusAetius]

In the meantime we can use &&s to soft vote.

&&vote chaqa

##vote Eden

Soft voting is stupid and honestly anti-town in my opinion. It’s not actually any pressure.

I’m not worried about this coming up with me, but I think it’s stupid and reckless to throw a vote out that you can’t take back this early in the phase without any idea how the day is going to develop. So I’d like you to explain the alternative view because it’s not obvious to me at all

Not only did he do a vote, he did TWO votes, like I am pretty sure he read the setup, this is just a wrong strategy for someone who "watched" the first gmae of the Olympics and didnt want to mess up D1 , he kinda just messed up his

[FlaviusAetius]

##vote Eden

Soft voting is stupid and honestly anti-town in my opinion. It’s not actually any pressure.

I’m not worried about this coming up with me, but I think it’s stupid and reckless to throw a vote out that you can’t take back this early in the phase without any idea how the day is going to develop. So I’d like you to explain the alternative view because it’s not obvious to me at all

I think it's far more helpful for me as a town player to put my firm fist down on you for pushing the "soft votes" because ultimately they mean nothing and should be treated as such.

So, FWIW, I don't think I wasted my vote on you. I firmly believe you're scummy for pushing a soft mechanic to keep the gamestate in a controlled state.

No no no, you are the one whose keeping the game in a controlled state, because now you have two votes that are PARKED cant be moved, and now everyone has to work around that, see the difference?

Eden came up with an idea , if there's this hugee focus on this tracking of soft votes SURE I see your point, but this is just jumping to something that isnt even there
&&vote worcej

[FlaviusAetius]

I’m not worried about this coming up with me, but I think it’s stupid and reckless to throw a vote out that you can’t take back this early in the phase without any idea how the day is going to develop. So I’d like you to explain the alternative view because it’s not obvious to me at all

I think it’s far more helpful for me as a town player to put my firm fist down on you for pushing the “soft votes” because ultimately they mean nothing and should be treated as such.

So, FWIW, I don’t think I wasted my vote on you. I firmly believe you’re scummy for pushing a soft mechanic to keep the gamestate in a controlled state.

Your vote also “means nothing” here. It’s not a credible threat. And you can’t even take it back, so now what?

He's backed himself into a wall to view EVERYTHING you and will did and do as scummy, because he has no other choice, his day has been set out for him and he has already laid the groundwork for why
(D1 of other game not being good, cant MK)
Im on the VERGE of voting worcej right now

[FlaviusAetius]

Classic Eden play, negging worcej and then trying to buddy him

Join me and vote for him?

Not yet lol that was a joke. I disagree with Eden and think that without the bot, the soft vote mechanic is probably mafia-sided, but I don't think based on his reasoning and wording that it was scummy but rather him just being dumb. Open to having my mind changed by you that it was scummy or by Eden that he's right, but for me, I think town is going to be active early while scum plays a little apprehensive during D1 of a double day, before pushing onto town-generated wagons on town in the mid-to-end of D1.

Here's a great strategy to play as mafia, they are going to have one person whose open and talking and one person whose semi lurking ( impossible ) to fully lurk in this small game, right ?

So probably a skater everyone should reserve one vote for a skater, one vote for a yapper, and then the third vote for whoever

[FlaviusAetius]

I think it’s far more helpful for me as a town player to put my firm fist down on you for pushing the “soft votes” because ultimately they mean nothing and should be treated as such.

So, FWIW, I don’t think I wasted my vote on you. I firmly believe you’re scummy for pushing a soft mechanic to keep the gamestate in a controlled state.

Your vote also “means nothing” here. It’s not a credible threat. And you can’t even take it back, so now what?

Can you explain why it means nothing? IMO the fact it can't be taken back makes it a credible threat. Unless you're arguing the wanton nature of it makes it not mean anything?

I think Eden is thinking exactly what I am; because worcej has voted so early, he is going to be arguing that Eden & Will are mafia pretty much no matter what they do or say. He can practically be ignored for them, and he'd rather focus his attention to make sure others don't follow his folly

[FlaviusAetius]

I think it’s far more helpful for me as a town player to put my firm fist down on you for pushing the “soft votes” because ultimately they mean nothing and should be treated as such.

So, FWIW, I don’t think I wasted my vote on you. I firmly believe you’re scummy for pushing a soft mechanic to keep the gamestate in a controlled state.

Your vote also “means nothing” here. It’s not a credible threat. And you can’t even take it back, so now what?

I disagree that my vote means nothing - I've established I think you should be killed.

The only way it's not a "credible threat" is if people don't agree with me and don't vote for you. But the beauty of this setup is that I think it's more important to pick who you wouldn't vote for more than who you should.

How can you KNOW that when you voted so early ? It makes no sense, what Eden was saying made perfect sense, maybe more geared toward a normal mafia set up and not one where you can PARK it, but putting pressure on people and getting those stances out of them is important

What can you do now but act like the first things these people said gave them out right away, its just silly

[Jamiet99uk]

VOTE COUNT 1.0

PresidentEden (2) - Worcej, Chaqa
JustaGuyNamedWill (1) - Worcej

Currently PRESIDENT EDEN and JUSTAGUYNAMEDWILL are set to be voted out of the Republic.

Plenty of time remains.

[FlaviusAetius]

Your vote also “means nothing” here. It’s not a credible threat. And you can’t even take it back, so now what?

I disagree that my vote means nothing - I’ve established I think you should be killed.

The only way it’s not a “credible threat” is if people don’t agree with me and don’t vote for you. But the beauty of this setup is that I think it’s more important to pick who you wouldn’t vote for more than who you should.

You’re not considering opportunity cost. You could have said “I think Eden needs to be killed” and accomplished the exact same thing you’ve accomplished right now from a pressure perspective. But now you don’t have the chance to change your mind when you later realize you should.

You seem to think that because I don’t want to hard vote ASAP that I won’t take committal stances on people, pressure my suspects, or do any of the usual things I do to catch mafia. You’ve gone all-in on this wrong belief not even 3 hours into the day. No offense homie, that’s stupid and reckless.

I dont want to vote worcej because he's made such a bad play here but I mean cmon what WAS he thinking? I need to know

[FlaviusAetius]

This line of reasoning completely misses the point of why pressure voting works.

Let’s say I actually think Chaqa is mafia here for whatever reason. In a normal game, I park my vote on him and try to grill him on whatever my reason is. Maybe Chaqa doesn’t care and blows me off. But maybe he is worried I’m onto him. He then tries to persuade me I’m wrong, and in doing so, he has to take committal stances that can potentially expose him later. He takes this risk because I hold the potential reward of unvoting him and voting for someone who might be town instead.

Here? He just laughs me off and focuses on the rest of the game. I no longer have any leverage on him, so he no longer has a reason to engage me. If he’s too blatant about blowing me off, maybe the other players get concerned. But that’s pretty easy to stage manage.

I guess we fundamentally think differently about votes in games - I don’t feel “pressure” from votes unless I am a PR and it’s near the end of a phase or I won’t be able to claim near EoP.

If you choose not to engage with me because I have now permanently voted for you, that’s more scummy than towny immediately and people should see that if they’re actually looking for scum.

I don’t feel pressure from votes unless it’s EOD. That’s exactly what I’m saying. You’ve accomplished nothing that you couldn’t have accomplished without locking your vote in. Now we just have to hope it doesn’t matter later. I doubt it will, but it might, which is why I’m hashing all this out… you might do it to someone who can’t talk their way out of a bad spot later and it might actually cost us.

I only think this situation is analogous to your judge situation, because of the PARKED votes, in a normal scenario you should definetly feel pressure when someone votes for you; you should be actively working on them to get OFF of you, and not just sitting back relaxed

Wagons dont just die out of thin air, and if they do thats SUS.

[FlaviusAetius]

I disagree that my vote means nothing - I’ve established I think you should be killed.

The only way it’s not a “credible threat” is if people don’t agree with me and don’t vote for you. But the beauty of this setup is that I think it’s more important to pick who you wouldn’t vote for more than who you should.

You’re not considering opportunity cost. You could have said “I think Eden needs to be killed” and accomplished the exact same thing you’ve accomplished right now from a pressure perspective. But now you don’t have the chance to change your mind when you later realize you should.

You seem to think that because I don’t want to hard vote ASAP that I won’t take committal stances on people, pressure my suspects, or do any of the usual things I do to catch mafia. You’ve gone all-in on this wrong belief not even 3 hours into the day. No offense homie, that’s stupid and reckless.

You're assuming I think people would listen to me and actually care that I think I stated "Eden should die". I don't think me saying "I think Eden is scum here" is a lost opportunity because I don't think anyone would care, or would just disagree with me here.

I hear you think I am reckless and stupid, but I think that really only applies to my Will vote. I don't think it is reckless to put my opinion in stone on you (again, soft mechanics is scummy AF here) and now people have to respond to it.

If you make a statement about the game I HOPE people would care , I mean isnt that literally the point?

[FlaviusAetius]

Talking about meta reasons why worcej is acting sus here, I generally think worcej is a smart fellow, in fact when I was scum in my last mafia game I took him out for that reason, he isn't acting very smart here, not good

Not only did he not read the setup correctly regarding MK's he ALSO parked two votes early on little evidence

[FlaviusAetius]

Anyway.

&&vote TheFlyingBoat

You’re doing an awful lot of refereeing there bud. You conclusively call my view dumb, but I don’t see where you explained why, nor do I see where you chimed in to back up worcej’s reasoning.

Ive never seenFlyingBoat in my life, if he's new this is the exact response you'd expect

[FlaviusAetius]

You town me yet would vote me EOD now?

Where did you get that from anything I said

I hear you think I am reckless and stupid, but I think that really only applies to my Will vote. I don’t think it is reckless to put my opinion in stone on you (again, soft mechanics is scummy AF here) and now people have to respond to it.

I guess. I’m pretty sure they’re going to roll their eyes and not care. But sure, theoretically they do.

You still haven’t actually said why it’s scummy to soft-vote BTW. It seems just obviously correct and NAI to me.

The soft voting is dumb because we cannot track them with a tool and mean nothing long term. It's the exact same as just saying "I think X is scum", which is again ultimately nothing. In fact, it's actually more of a distraction imho because someone needs to take the time to seek these out and count them to represent them for the group.

Mechanically, this is a game where 2 people per day phase need to die. We need to have a plethora of votes established and not wait until the last second of the phase. The more votes out there make it harder for scum to start influencing with buddying/talking and instead they need to spread votes out via actions.

If I am right about you being scum, then you're at a disadvantage and are 100% wrong on my vote being "nothing".

First off this is a small game, everyone is going to read everything there just isnt enough content not too.

Second off, its not silly people should say somethings and people should respond to things thats how the game works , acting like what you say has no bearing on anything is SUS because you KNOW that is false

cmon man youve played mafia before why are you saying things that just are the opposite of the truth

the ONLY good point you've made is that you dont want mafia to be able to influence the vote, good. Did you need TWO votes to make that? No.

[FlaviusAetius]

##vote worcej

[FlaviusAetius]

Also anyone know where damo went? It seems like he dropped that one question then bounced.

I dont wnat to quote your entire post above this one but WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREED!
Soft votes dont help and are a great way for people to hide ; just start calling people mafia build your cases and give reasons why you dont need this whole charade

[FlaviusAetius]

It’s pointless to hash out any further anyway. You’ll come around, I’ll have one vote on me at EOD (just kidding, Chaqa will read this and be sure to vote me at some point just to make me wrong), and we’ll laugh about it in postgame.

Plus I have a pretty strong townread on you now, so mission accomplished for you I guess lol. Boat might be ok too

??? Why do you ahve a strong townread on him? EVERYTHING he has done so far has not been good

[FlaviusAetius]

Caught up! Severely disliking the lack of posts made

1. Chaqa
2. Damo666
3. FlaviusAetius
4. Glitterbomb
5. JustAGuyNamedWill
6. Lfischl
7. President Eden
8. TheFlyingBoat
9. Worcej

these are all the people so far

damo = nobody
fischl = nobody
glitterbomb = nobody
chaqa = nobody

nobody = you havent contirbuted A LOT to the game so far im voting for one of those people i think their the skaters of D1 first 24 hours

[Jamiet99uk]

Vote Count 1.1

PresidentEden (2) - Worcej, Chaqa
JustaGuyNamedWill (1) - Worcej
Worcej (1) - FlaviusAetius

Currently PRESIDENT EDEN is getting the thumbs-down.

You have all the time in the galaxy.