M 1029: The webMafia Olympics game 1 SPY VS SPY

[bozotheclown]

bozotheclown
I think there may be some merit to ghugs arguments about bozo. While I think D2 of bozo vs spirit is probably one of them scum if not both; I liked bozo's arguments about spirit slightly better than the spirit arguments about bozo. But one thing I observed was spirits willingness to reverse that read on bozo. This strikes me as a solid candidate to be OG given little in his demeanor has changed throughout the game. He has been uncaring about the outcomes of daykills, despite throwing down end hammers. He has professed having nothing to solve either.

ghug
Null. I think he tried to push spirit day 2 but ended up on the same side of the fence as spirit on bozo. ghug is only mafia if he is partnered on a spirit scumteam based on that logic. Overall I like how ghug has played and it would be hard to envision him as scum. He has a tell, both in meta data and in how he formats reads list as scum and I think he is not in that zone right now.

Hamilton Brian
I find it really annnoying when someone becomes overly defensive and hawkish about even so much as being mentioned by someone else. Hamilton is lost in the sauce on his own brand this game. He cant get out of his own head long enough to have a conversation with anyone. trapped in this character persona of snarky detective man whose theories are as prosaic as possible. starting to lean town because of this however.

Haze with a Z
This one is a challenge. I think this is probably the person playing the best game of anyone right now. I say that with some additional things I find irritating ahead too. What I like is that Haze is stubborn, thought provoking, unforced, and curious. Stubborn when pushed, but full of ideas about the motivations of people. Unforced in that they arent trying to concoct anything on anyone that is too complex to follow.
Haze frustrates me however by building their entire game around whomever is talking to them at the time. If you talk to Haze, or suspect Haze, they will just keep putting you in their scumreads while completely ignoring large swaths of the other players. I could see this as scum motivated but im starting to think this is just their town game moniker.

Yoyoyozo
The catchup post last night was classic jokeyo. While pretending to get major details wrong throughout, pretending spirits reads lists are me posting thoughts about him in them-when there werent any thoughts about yoyo in the reads either; just a random move from slight town to null. He wanted to present it twice to make people think im making up a narrative I guess?
it is obvious yoyo is only ever going to play this game on the sidelines without any actual contributions. But its funny, and I missed it. Please never change. Hope all is well and good luck on that whole wanting to be recruited thing.

I said there was nothing to solve on D1, when the 2 mafia had no connections to each other and both had a mafia to try to identify.

What "arguments" of ghug about me do you agree with?

[bozotheclown]

I think a Cold War broke out between scumteams day 2 where Bozo and Spirit had their fingers on the button and both saw an opportunity to bring the other down. Perhaps suspecting each other but not mechanically certain they dedicated their efforts to total wipeout of each others camps. During this period both sides suffered setbacks, and spirit kept his finger off the nuclear ballistic missiles to fight another day. I think they both tried to grab for the same candidate or one of them failed and the other side learned this occurred.

If they both recruited correctly N1, then what happened was camp bozo found himself alone because someone from his camp had to push the more viable yoyo option. whomever got added to bozo's team would be eagerly trying to make up for lost ground from the failures of the previous night perhaps. Or its just yoyo that got added for wifom. The only person I think other than yoyo that bozo would've recruited would be someone off his own wagon so he loses a voter: colby.

As for spirits motivations, I expect if he were still running solo he would just try to find someone to mesh with, like yoyo, or perhaps event petulantly try for the same person he failed on the previous night with bozo if it was a both sides fail type of scenario. So maybe ghug, maybe bona if the yoyo wagon was driven by ensuring there is no counter wagon on spirit that rises back up.

I haven’t seen a whole lot of profound remarks about bona either so if all of this is way off then bona is a solid OG candidate for being unchanged and consistent throughout the game. His play has been pretty sarcastic and normally he has very solid scumreads who he attacks. Now he has done this with Hamilton so if bona is an OG he almost certainly is not teamed with Hamilton or yoyo.

I don't know what you are suggesting here. If SpiritoftheRadio and I were the D1 mafia and successfully recruited N1, how would I be any more likely to know SpiritoftheRadio is mafia than I would be as town?

[brainbomb]

I think a Cold War broke out between scumteams day 2 where Bozo and Spirit had their fingers on the button and both saw an opportunity to bring the other down. Perhaps suspecting each other but not mechanically certain they dedicated their efforts to total wipeout of each others camps. During this period both sides suffered setbacks, and spirit kept his finger off the nuclear ballistic missiles to fight another day. I think they both tried to grab for the same candidate or one of them failed and the other side learned this occurred.

If they both recruited correctly N1, then what happened was camp bozo found himself alone because someone from his camp had to push the more viable yoyo option. whomever got added to bozo's team would be eagerly trying to make up for lost ground from the failures of the previous night perhaps. Or its just yoyo that got added for wifom. The only person I think other than yoyo that bozo would've recruited would be someone off his own wagon so he loses a voter: colby.

As for spirits motivations, I expect if he were still running solo he would just try to find someone to mesh with, like yoyo, or perhaps event petulantly try for the same person he failed on the previous night with bozo if it was a both sides fail type of scenario. So maybe ghug, maybe bona if the yoyo wagon was driven by ensuring there is no counter wagon on spirit that rises back up.

I haven’t seen a whole lot of profound remarks about bona either so if all of this is way off then bona is a solid OG candidate for being unchanged and consistent throughout the game. His play has been pretty sarcastic and normally he has very solid scumreads who he attacks. Now he has done this with Hamilton so if bona is an OG he almost certainly is not teamed with Hamilton or yoyo.

I don't know what you are suggesting here. If SpiritoftheRadio and I were the D1 mafia and successfully recruited N1, how would I be any more likely to know SpiritoftheRadio is mafia than I would be as town?

not mechanically but I usually think mafia have a better gamesolve in these types of games than town do.

[bozotheclown]

I think that might be your top post this game so far Brain.

Probably since it makes the most sense to me.

If you are talking about the post where he speculates that SpiritoftheRadio and I are the D1 mafia, can you tell me what you think makes sense about it?

[bozotheclown]

I think a Cold War broke out between scumteams day 2 where Bozo and Spirit had their fingers on the button and both saw an opportunity to bring the other down. Perhaps suspecting each other but not mechanically certain they dedicated their efforts to total wipeout of each others camps. During this period both sides suffered setbacks, and spirit kept his finger off the nuclear ballistic missiles to fight another day. I think they both tried to grab for the same candidate or one of them failed and the other side learned this occurred.

If they both recruited correctly N1, then what happened was camp bozo found himself alone because someone from his camp had to push the more viable yoyo option. whomever got added to bozo's team would be eagerly trying to make up for lost ground from the failures of the previous night perhaps. Or its just yoyo that got added for wifom. The only person I think other than yoyo that bozo would've recruited would be someone off his own wagon so he loses a voter: colby.

As for spirits motivations, I expect if he were still running solo he would just try to find someone to mesh with, like yoyo, or perhaps event petulantly try for the same person he failed on the previous night with bozo if it was a both sides fail type of scenario. So maybe ghug, maybe bona if the yoyo wagon was driven by ensuring there is no counter wagon on spirit that rises back up.

I haven’t seen a whole lot of profound remarks about bona either so if all of this is way off then bona is a solid OG candidate for being unchanged and consistent throughout the game. His play has been pretty sarcastic and normally he has very solid scumreads who he attacks. Now he has done this with Hamilton so if bona is an OG he almost certainly is not teamed with Hamilton or yoyo.

I don't know what you are suggesting here. If SpiritoftheRadio and I were the D1 mafia and successfully recruited N1, how would I be any more likely to know SpiritoftheRadio is mafia than I would be as town?

not mechanically but I usually think mafia have a better gamesolve in these types of games than town do.

Why would one mafia team have that advantage here, other than having one less player to consider?

[dargorygel]

##GM Talk

Votes

ghug (2) Yoyoyozo, bozotheclown
bozotheclown (2) ghug brainbomb
brainbomb (2) SpiritoftheRadio Col7by
Hamilton Brian (1) Bonatogether
Unvote (1) Hamilton Brian
End-votes (0/9):

Three way tie... no one is winning.
Ham needs a legit vote

DAY ends in under 7 hours

[brainbomb]

Why would one mafia team have that advantage here, other than having one less player to consider?

because the mafia in this game have to solve who actually is town also. and by going in reverse they find the people most likely to be town are probably not given the setup itself.

[bozotheclown]

Why would one mafia team have that advantage here, other than having one less player to consider?

because the mafia in this game have to solve who actually is town also. and by going in reverse they find the people most likely to be town are probably not given the setup itself.

I don't know what that means.

[bozotheclown]

Why are those who think SpiritoftheRadio is an original mafia not willing to vote for him?

##VOTE SpiritoftheRadio

[Yoyoyozo]

Oh wait, it would brain tried to recruit one of them and failed:

Brain-Colby

Ham-spirit-ghug

Wouldn’t it be kind of interesting if spirit was bussing brain because he attempted to recruit someone and failed?

Spirit-brain

Ham- ghug- someone else

[Col7by]

##vote bona
Want to see if this gains traction based on convos earlier

[Bonatogether]

i'm lost in the soup of recruitment theories

[Yoyoyozo]

i'm lost in the soup of recruitment theories

I’m just trying to puzzle teams together. It helps to never be surprised, but it’s always amusing when there’s fire behind the smoke.

[ghug]

Bozo, what do you make of the Spirit/brain dichotomy?

[bozotheclown]

Bozo, what do you make of the Spirit/brain dichotomy?

I think they could be mafia on different teams and have some knowledge about the other.

[brainbomb]

what do you make of spirits complete cessation of any other type of hunting today.

[Haze with a Z]

Also to be clear where I’m at now is I think that brain and possibly bozo have tmi on spirit. I think this means spirit is the recruiter for one team. This being said, I think that spirit’s team has less recruits than the other team. I think it is more likely than brain is a recruit due to their complete shift but I don’t know For sure tbh. I don’t know where to vote right now because it feels harder for the teams to implode on each other if the minority team loses their recruiter but it feels like this game becomes officially unwinnsble if we don’t kill a recruiter now

If you think SpiritoftheRadio is an original mafia, why do you think his team has "less recruits than the other team"?

Because I think that at least one if the people voting him is a member of the other team and was attempted to be recruited

[Haze with a Z]

The other interesting think is colby not unvoting after realising day doesn’t end 46 min ago tbh.

Why is that interesting to you?

Because it seemed as if the reason he voted there was so we didn’t no kill and not because he necessarily believed it

[brainbomb]

I am town and was never recruited. I suspect whatever spirit is doing is some sort of gambit especially if his team is the larger team he would be striving to get to 4 members which is basically autowin in this setup for a mafia team. and he can reach that goal by killing either a town or a mafia. it doesnt actually matter which

[Haze with a Z]

I am at I think that brain believes what they are saying even if their conclusion is wrong. This makes them seem more v to me so I’m not voting them rn.

I can’t decide if Hamilton is not thinking or just not town because they keep trying to vote out recruits instead of leaders which seems stupid.

What do you mean "more v to me?" What is "v?"

V is basically villagery aka towny