M 1029: The webMafia Olympics game 1 SPY VS SPY

[ghug]

What do you think that I am doing is unusual and "not at all like" I play as town?

You claimed to have a complete solve based on PoE from townreads, when usually you're more inclined to find and tunnel scumreads. You also wouldn't explain your townreads, and have been very end vote happy.

There have been many times where I have tried to identify the mafia by POE when I thought it was easier to identify town than scum, and I think it is particularly useful in this game when 4 out of 8 players besides myself were likely mafia on D2 and there are no connections between the different teams. I also didn't refuse to explain my town reads.

Why do you think I would be more likely to vote END as mafia than town?

Why did you stop scum reading SpiritoftheRadio?

You did refuse to explain your townreads. I asked you repeatedly why you said you and Hamilton were obvious town.

I'm not sure why you'd be more inclined to end as mafia. I noted in my read list that one of my issues is that I can't find clear motivation for your weirdness as either alignment, but I have found that you tend to be sillier as scum.

I'm a little confused on how you fit into this brain/Spirit dichotomy, though, which is making me slightly less inclined to vote for you.

[ghug]

##CALLGM

How/when do the mafia learn the results of their recruitment attempts?

[bozotheclown]

I think my D2 theory was probably fairly accurate since 3 of the players I identify as likely mafia have been trying to eliminate me by way of DK for questionable or non-existent reasons, discredit my theory, or both. The way ghug has ignored my posts about SpiritoftheRadio despite listing SpiritoftheRadio as one of his top scum reads makes me think ghug and SpiritoftheRadio are on the same mafia team. SpiritoftheRadio has also been ignoring ghug since pushing to get him DKed D1. This could be explained by ghug recruiting SpiritoftheRadio N1 to "eliminate" his biggest threat.

##VOTE ghug

[bozotheclown]

You claimed to have a complete solve based on PoE from townreads, when usually you're more inclined to find and tunnel scumreads. You also wouldn't explain your townreads, and have been very end vote happy.

There have been many times where I have tried to identify the mafia by POE when I thought it was easier to identify town than scum, and I think it is particularly useful in this game when 4 out of 8 players besides myself were likely mafia on D2 and there are no connections between the different teams. I also didn't refuse to explain my town reads.

Why do you think I would be more likely to vote END as mafia than town?

Why did you stop scum reading SpiritoftheRadio?

You did refuse to explain your townreads. I asked you repeatedly why you said you and Hamilton were obvious town.

I'm not sure why you'd be more inclined to end as mafia. I noted in my read list that one of my issues is that I can't find clear motivation for your weirdness as either alignment, but I have found that you tend to be sillier as scum.

I'm a little confused on how you fit into this brain/Spirit dichotomy, though, which is making me slightly less inclined to vote for you.

I'm back to ##VOTE Hambone. I like both leading wagons.

Hamilton and I are the most obvious town in the game, which reinforces my suspicion that you were recruited.

Explain why with words.

Did you think I was town yesterday?

Explain why with words.

Did you think I was town yesterday?

You could have told me why I was wrong, but instead you tried to discredit me by suggesting that I am mafia, which is obviously not the case to anyone trying to determine my alignment.

When your assertion is that you're town, telling you why you're wrong is the same as suggesting you're mafia.

I'm asking you to explain your assertions on towniness.

I tried to find where you asked me that, and if you mean these posts, it was not clear what you were asking me, but I responded to them.

However, when I said Hamilton and I were obviously town, I did not think it needed an explanation because it should have been obvious to you.

[ghug]

There have been many times where I have tried to identify the mafia by POE when I thought it was easier to identify town than scum, and I think it is particularly useful in this game when 4 out of 8 players besides myself were likely mafia on D2 and there are no connections between the different teams. I also didn't refuse to explain my town reads.

Why do you think I would be more likely to vote END as mafia than town?

Why did you stop scum reading SpiritoftheRadio?

You did refuse to explain your townreads. I asked you repeatedly why you said you and Hamilton were obvious town.

I'm not sure why you'd be more inclined to end as mafia. I noted in my read list that one of my issues is that I can't find clear motivation for your weirdness as either alignment, but I have found that you tend to be sillier as scum.

I'm a little confused on how you fit into this brain/Spirit dichotomy, though, which is making me slightly less inclined to vote for you.

Hamilton and I are the most obvious town in the game, which reinforces my suspicion that you were recruited.

Explain why with words.

Did you think I was town yesterday?

You could have told me why I was wrong, but instead you tried to discredit me by suggesting that I am mafia, which is obviously not the case to anyone trying to determine my alignment.

When your assertion is that you're town, telling you why you're wrong is the same as suggesting you're mafia.

I'm asking you to explain your assertions on towniness.

I tried to find where you asked me that, and if you mean these posts, it was not clear what you were asking me, but I responded to them.

However, when I said Hamilton and I were obviously town, I did not think it needed an explanation because it should have been obvious to you.

You responded.l. You didn't answer my very clear requests for explanation.

Please stop avoiding my questions and tell me why you think Hamilton is town.

[brainbomb]

##vote bozo

Is there a reason you are voting for me other than the fact that I think you are mafia?

Yes

[brainbomb]

##votebrain
This is to break the tie because I think brain has better chance at being OG than spirit

Why do you feel this way? I don’t remember you mentioning this before

I think that spirit was a misguided town early on, too aggressive to be an OG. Could be mafia now but think we need to hit OGs here

Do you have a short list of anyone else who fits this criteria? unpack this argument more

[brainbomb]

Oh wait, it would brain tried to recruit one of them and failed:

Brain-Colby

Ham-spirit-ghug

Now who is trolling.

[brainbomb]

Yoyo voted me day 1 and I think they could be OG so I don’t think this characterization is completely accurate

So this one obviously doesnt fit the aggressive mould. Unless by aggressive you mean he voted you day 1. thats about it

[Col7by]

Yoyo voted me day 1 and I think they could be OG so I don’t think this characterization is completely accurate

So this one obviously doesnt fit the aggressive mould. Unless by aggressive you mean he voted you day 1. thats about it

Yoyo does not meet the aggressive mood matching my criteria in a prior post of someone more quiet being an OG (bozo, yoyo, bona, haze)

[Col7by]

Why do you feel this way? I don’t remember you mentioning this before

I think that spirit was a misguided town early on, too aggressive to be an OG. Could be mafia now but think we need to hit OGs here

Do you have a short list of anyone else who fits this criteria? unpack this argument more

I think people who came out swinging early on D1 are less likely to be an OG mafia and risk getting themselves outed that early. That doesn’t completely absolve you and HB who have both been controlling narratives very well but would be a good play style for OG mafia
At this point my total rankings of most likely OG scum to not based on my logic are

Yoyo
Bozo
Bona
Haze
Brain
HB
Spirit
Ghug

[brainbomb]

bozotheclown
I think there may be some merit to ghugs arguments about bozo. While I think D2 of bozo vs spirit is probably one of them scum if not both; I liked bozo's arguments about spirit slightly better than the spirit arguments about bozo. But one thing I observed was spirits willingness to reverse that read on bozo. This strikes me as a solid candidate to be OG given little in his demeanor has changed throughout the game. He has been uncaring about the outcomes of daykills, despite throwing down end hammers. He has professed having nothing to solve either.

ghug
Null. I think he tried to push spirit day 2 but ended up on the same side of the fence as spirit on bozo. ghug is only mafia if he is partnered on a spirit scumteam based on that logic. Overall I like how ghug has played and it would be hard to envision him as scum. He has a tell, both in meta data and in how he formats reads list as scum and I think he is not in that zone right now.

Hamilton Brian
I find it really annnoying when someone becomes overly defensive and hawkish about even so much as being mentioned by someone else. Hamilton is lost in the sauce on his own brand this game. He cant get out of his own head long enough to have a conversation with anyone. trapped in this character persona of snarky detective man whose theories are as prosaic as possible. starting to lean town because of this however.

Haze with a Z
This one is a challenge. I think this is probably the person playing the best game of anyone right now. I say that with some additional things I find irritating ahead too. What I like is that Haze is stubborn, thought provoking, unforced, and curious. Stubborn when pushed, but full of ideas about the motivations of people. Unforced in that they arent trying to concoct anything on anyone that is too complex to follow.
Haze frustrates me however by building their entire game around whomever is talking to them at the time. If you talk to Haze, or suspect Haze, they will just keep putting you in their scumreads while completely ignoring large swaths of the other players. I could see this as scum motivated but im starting to think this is just their town game moniker.

Yoyoyozo
The catchup post last night was classic jokeyo. While pretending to get major details wrong throughout, pretending spirits reads lists are me posting thoughts about him in them-when there werent any thoughts about yoyo in the reads either; just a random move from slight town to null. He wanted to present it twice to make people think im making up a narrative I guess?
it is obvious yoyo is only ever going to play this game on the sidelines without any actual contributions. But its funny, and I missed it. Please never change. Hope all is well and good luck on that whole wanting to be recruited thing.

[dargorygel]

##CALLGM

How/when do the mafia learn the results of their recruitment attempts?

It is posted in the spy chat. At as close to EoN that I can do.

[Hamilton Brian]

The longer we go through days the more likely recruitments are going to be bouncing in to one another, starting to tip off teams.

[brainbomb]

I think a Cold War broke out between scumteams day 2 where Bozo and Spirit had their fingers on the button and both saw an opportunity to bring the other down. Perhaps suspecting each other but not mechanically certain they dedicated their efforts to total wipeout of each others camps. During this period both sides suffered setbacks, and spirit kept his finger off the nuclear ballistic missiles to fight another day. I think they both tried to grab for the same candidate or one of them failed and the other side learned this occurred.

If they both recruited correctly N1, then what happened was camp bozo found himself alone because someone from his camp had to push the more viable yoyo option. whomever got added to bozo's team would be eagerly trying to make up for lost ground from the failures of the previous night perhaps. Or its just yoyo that got added for wifom. The only person I think other than yoyo that bozo would've recruited would be someone off his own wagon so he loses a voter: colby.

As for spirits motivations, I expect if he were still running solo he would just try to find someone to mesh with, like yoyo, or perhaps event petulantly try for the same person he failed on the previous night with bozo if it was a both sides fail type of scenario. So maybe ghug, maybe bona if the yoyo wagon was driven by ensuring there is no counter wagon on spirit that rises back up.

I haven’t seen a whole lot of profound remarks about bona either so if all of this is way off then bona is a solid OG candidate for being unchanged and consistent throughout the game. His play has been pretty sarcastic and normally he has very solid scumreads who he attacks. Now he has done this with Hamilton so if bona is an OG he almost certainly is not teamed with Hamilton or yoyo.

[Col7by]

I think a Cold War broke out between scumteams day 2 where Bozo and Spirit had their fingers on the button and both saw an opportunity to bring the other down. Perhaps suspecting each other but not mechanically certain they dedicated their efforts to total wipeout of each others camps. During this period both sides suffered setbacks, and spirit kept his finger off the nuclear ballistic missiles to fight another day. I think they both tried to grab for the same candidate or one of them failed and the other side learned this occurred.

If they both recruited correctly N1, then what happened was camp bozo found himself alone because someone from his camp had to push the more viable yoyo option. whomever got added to bozo's team would be eagerly trying to make up for lost ground from the failures of the previous night perhaps. Or its just yoyo that got added for wifom. The only person I think other than yoyo that bozo would've recruited would be someone off his own wagon so he loses a voter: colby.

As for spirits motivations, I expect if he were still running solo he would just try to find someone to mesh with, like yoyo, or perhaps event petulantly try for the same person he failed on the previous night with bozo if it was a both sides fail type of scenario. So maybe ghug, maybe bona if the yoyo wagon was driven by ensuring there is no counter wagon on spirit that rises back up.

I haven’t seen a whole lot of profound remarks about bona either so if all of this is way off then bona is a solid OG candidate for being unchanged and consistent throughout the game. His play has been pretty sarcastic and normally he has very solid scumreads who he attacks. Now he has done this with Hamilton so if bona is an OG he almost certainly is not teamed with Hamilton or yoyo.

I would be fine with a bona train today because last game I played bona have targets we went for I feel like Nina hasn’t come close to that this game

[Hamilton Brian]

I think that might be your top post this game so far Brain.

Probably since it makes the most sense to me.

[Hamilton Brian]

Who is Nina?

[bozotheclown]

You did refuse to explain your townreads. I asked you repeatedly why you said you and Hamilton were obvious town.

I'm not sure why you'd be more inclined to end as mafia. I noted in my read list that one of my issues is that I can't find clear motivation for your weirdness as either alignment, but I have found that you tend to be sillier as scum.

I'm a little confused on how you fit into this brain/Spirit dichotomy, though, which is making me slightly less inclined to vote for you.

Explain why with words.

Did you think I was town yesterday?

When your assertion is that you're town, telling you why you're wrong is the same as suggesting you're mafia.

I'm asking you to explain your assertions on towniness.

I tried to find where you asked me that, and if you mean these posts, it was not clear what you were asking me, but I responded to them.

However, when I said Hamilton and I were obviously town, I did not think it needed an explanation because it should have been obvious to you.

You responded.l. You didn't answer my very clear requests for explanation.

Please stop avoiding my questions and tell me why you think Hamilton is town.

I provided that information near the start of D3 (Hamilton could have been a N2 recruit, but I doubt he was a mafia D2):

I am still town, and I think Col7by, Hamilton, Haze, and Yoyoyozo are probably still town.

That means the mafia would be Bonatogether, brainbomb, ghug, and SpiritoftheRadio if the mafia recruited successfully.

i feel like we've played before but i don't remember how you play. what is up with radio man

##VOTE brain so I can be the only one who hasn't been voted today.

These distancing posts showing up on D2 make me think SpiritoftheRadio recruited Bonatogether and brainbomb recruited ghug.

The reasons I thought, and still think, Col7by, Hamilton, Haze, and Yoyoyozo were likely town D2 are:

Col7by: He town slipped D1 in a way that I doubt anyone, much less a fairly new player, would try to fake, and I think he was suspected enough D1 that he was not likely to be recruited N1.

Hamilton: I don't think he would break the tie D1 EOD like he did as mafia, and doing so made it unlikely he was recruited.

Haze: I thought his comment about not realizing he could post at night seem unlikely to be faked and not likely to be the case if he was an original mafia, and I also think he was questioned enough D1 to not be a likely recruit target.

Yoyoyozo: I had no idea of his alignment D1, but I don't think he would draw attention to himself D2 pushing for a no-kill as mafia, especially considering how that went for ghug D2.

Even if I was 100% correct, though, any 2 of Col7by, Hamilton, Haze, and Yoyoyozo could now also be mafia, but it is much more likely one or both of the mafia failed to successfully recruit N2.

[Col7by]

Who is Nina?

You must have stopped reading last game. My phone autocorrects bona to Nina often so at times I use them interchangeably whether on accident or on purpose as a gag