M 1029: The webMafia Olympics game 1 SPY VS SPY

[Col7by]

colby stuff like this is why it is so easy to scum read you

Fair enough. Still new and need to find the schedule last game it was everyday so that’s what I’m used to

48 hour Day phases; 24 hour Night phases.

This is helpful thank you

[Col7by]

##votebrain
This is to break the tie because I think brain has better chance at being OG than spirit

Why do you feel this way? I don’t remember you mentioning this before

I think that spirit was a misguided town early on, too aggressive to be an OG. Could be mafia now but think we need to hit OGs here

[Bonatogether]

That was supposed to be me replying to your "grow a backbone" comment.

weird

[brainbomb]

##vote bozo

[Hamilton Brian]

##vote bozo

Why?

[ghug]

My great theory of everything at this point:

Don't kill:
bona - He's been annoyingly dumb but I stand by my townread from yesterday so I don't think he's an OG mafia at least.
brain - Good town vibes most of the game. Again plausibly recruited but I see nothing that actually points to that and he'd be a bad target.

Maybe kill:
Col7by - Just ain't much here.
Haze - brain moved me a little bit. My gut still wants to townread and I like the indignation in response to brain, but he's preferable to the top group.
Yoyo - Very meh.

Actively like killing:
bozotheclown - He's been weird. I don't necessarily understand scum motivation for that but it's also not at all like his town game.
Hambone - Inconsistencies he can't explain feel like plausibly a scumtell.
SpiritoftheRadio - The wagon on me smelled really bad yesterday and I have a hard time believing there was actually no opportunistic scum on it. Nothing really to townread in my mind.

Also, a general reminder that hunting isn't a good indicator of towniness in games with two scumteams.

What do you think that I am doing is unusual and "not at all like" I play as town?

You claimed to have a complete solve based on PoE from townreads, when usually you're more inclined to find and tunnel scumreads. You also wouldn't explain your townreads, and have been very end vote happy.

[ghug]

The brainbomb pressure machine now turns to me. Idk man, my read is brain is mafia, it was painfully obvious since his first post today and now is stuck mentioning non sequitur Olympics posts since he needs to cover up a pretty bad prenegotiated code system. His analysis is also criticizing me for read changes I made days ago and also for not changing my reads on people like bona. I had paragraphs on paragraphs saying why and, if you look, when my reads changed. He made a point not to quite those because they were too long, but the narrative looks better without my words (he has been quoting lengthy posts all along so far). Really doesn't seem like a guy making honest arguments, seems like someone trying to paint a picture.

I thought about brain being turned today because previously he seemed very town to me, but then if that code was a prenegotiated code in the mafia chat, he could not have been turned today since he'd need to talk about it before hand. So he had to be mafia before then since recruits happen at EoN and he couldn't talk to mafia about it before today. I feel there is a strong chance BB may be an OG spy or he was turned N1. If that's true, most of my previous analysis is not really possible since Colby x bozo couldn't be a thing if BB was mafia before today. This makes brainbomb one of the best choices for killin imo.

Let's just rip the bandaid off and do the 180 town to scum ima vote for you right back at you brain, the end vote on me after bozo ends on me seems real scummy, especially considering how much you like to talk.

##vote brainbomb

What code do you think he's signaling?

[Yoyoyozo]

I don’t think bozo or I are spies but I guess that doesn’t really matter to many of you if there are 4 spies, and it matter only marginally more to town, since they’ll likely be 2 more recruits tonight.

if yoyo was mafia here he would be throwing away an opportunity to just talk people into killing bozo, or even just voting bozo himself. but it was played so close to the vest that I actually thought yoyo may let himself die yesterday to prove a point. When he shows up super late it had a captainmeme sort of vibe to it of "do nothing until".

calculating what scum spirit would potentially do here regarding his teammate he would probably not chide teammate colby into voting yoyo, unless the goal is to resurrect both wagons from yesterday. it seems that haze, bona and HB all were similarly postured that yoyo needed to be dealt with. So again, super unlikely that those three are teamed at all with yoyo unless its one of those scum bluffs of the century. wouldnt make much sense here.

but yoyo refusing to go for bozo could be seen as a scum move if the goal was to let someone else make the mistake.

I feel like if I were a spy, I’d make the attempt at eliminating bozo because of the chance he’s the enemy spy. I think D2 spies have more of an incentive of eliminating enemy spies than town, and more of an incentive to hit enemy spies than town has hitting enemy spies.

[Yoyoyozo]

Hamilton has locked himself into a position of distrust regarding any evidence I come across, and assumes every talking point I make is to concoct fraudulent points.

colby is postured that someone voting him is never an og mafia

yoyo is just not presenting any opinions at all same with Haze

bozo case is pretty compelling, and if bozo is mafia, it makes sense to want to see spirit v bozo as two days in a row of scum vs scum logic. so I dont really care which side of that coin we go, but bozo almost died yesterday and spirits pressure was lifted by hamilton moving to yoyo, and ghug playing some role in cajoling that move.

Seems like spirit had more help to avoid being a late wagon than bozo or yoyo in that scenario

My opinion is that you and/or ham are likely spies. The way you two dominate the conversation makes you likely candidates for recruitment if you weren’t OG spies. I haven’t caught up completely but I’m willing to vote for whichever of you two have tunneled the other more, for the reason of the possibility that maybe one of you tried to recruit the other unsuccessfully and that person is aware of the other being a spy.

[Yoyoyozo]

Spirit Day 1

TL;DR: reads spectrum
-----Lean Town-----
Bozo
Dip
Bona
Yoyo
------Null-​-----
Haze
BB
-----Lean Scummy-----
HB
Colby
Ghug

Spirit N2

In case of nk, here are dirty reads and states
-----Town-----
BB
----Slight town---
Bona
HB
----Null----
yoyo
----Sc​um----
Ghug
Haze
Bozo
Colby

Largest moves here are bozo goes from top town to nearly bottom of his reads scum

Colby and ghug stay at the bottom, but HB moves up to same level as bona.

Bona basically is always in that same spot for him in townreads.

seems like ghug never has moved out of the scum zone for him.

yoyo went from town to null, and in spite of slowly but casually seeing yoyo fall in his reads, he is so determined on bozo yesterday that he would not even ever vote anyone but bozo.

definetely alot of moves happening here from day 1 to now. its alot to take in and digest.

Is this flavor? I don’t think any of what you said about me was true.

[Yoyoyozo]

Spirit Day 1

TL;DR: reads spectrum
-----Lean Town-----
Bozo
Dip
Bona
Yoyo
------Null-​-----
Haze
BB
-----Lean Scummy-----
HB
Colby
Ghug

Spirit N2

In case of nk, here are dirty reads and states
-----Town-----
BB
----Slight town---
Bona
HB
----Null----
yoyo
----Sc​um----
Ghug
Haze
Bozo
Colby

Largest moves here are bozo goes from top town to nearly bottom of his reads scum

Colby and ghug stay at the bottom, but HB moves up to same level as bona.

Bona basically is always in that same spot for him in townreads.

seems like ghug never has moved out of the scum zone for him.

yoyo went from town to null, and in spite of slowly but casually seeing yoyo fall in his reads, he is so determined on bozo yesterday that he would not even ever vote anyone but bozo.

definetely alot of moves happening here from day 1 to now. its alot to take in and digest.

Is this flavor? I don’t think any of what you said about me was true.

[Yoyoyozo]

Oh lol I misread what you said, and it posted twice. WHOOPS!

[Yoyoyozo]

The brainbomb pressure machine now turns to me. Idk man, my read is brain is mafia, it was painfully obvious since his first post today and now is stuck mentioning non sequitur Olympics posts since he needs to cover up a pretty bad prenegotiated code system. His analysis is also criticizing me for read changes I made days ago and also for not changing my reads on people like bona. I had paragraphs on paragraphs saying why and, if you look, when my reads changed. He made a point not to quite those because they were too long, but the narrative looks better without my words (he has been quoting lengthy posts all along so far). Really doesn't seem like a guy making honest arguments, seems like someone trying to paint a picture.

I thought about brain being turned today because previously he seemed very town to me, but then if that code was a prenegotiated code in the mafia chat, he could not have been turned today since he'd need to talk about it before hand. So he had to be mafia before then since recruits happen at EoN and he couldn't talk to mafia about it before today. I feel there is a strong chance BB may be an OG spy or he was turned N1. If that's true, most of my previous analysis is not really possible since Colby x bozo couldn't be a thing if BB was mafia before today. This makes brainbomb one of the best choices for killin imo.

Let's just rip the bandaid off and do the 180 town to scum ima vote for you right back at you brain, the end vote on me after bozo ends on me seems real scummy, especially considering how much you like to talk.

##vote brainbomb

This comes off forced. Brain-spirit pair maybe?

[Yoyoyozo]

very amusing. thank you for the confirmation you are mafia here.

u 2 bud

https://youtu.be/r5pEFAm63NM?si=5RlrDxKb9gBJN-mT

[Yoyoyozo]

In looking at the interactions between myself and yoyo on D2, yoyo first.

Kind of chastised me for not carefully reading their vote for Col7by.

Takes part in my Probable Pairs game and suggests they would recruit ghug.

Next post to me reminded me of my own circuitous thinking. Some of yoyo's logic, compared to mine, suggests the OG wouldn't have a problem declaring publicly who they would "hypothetically" recruit. I definitely disagree with that sentiment. (How important is this to come back to as we look at other interactions?)

They say that at some point I cleared them. "Thanks ham for essentially clearing me in the eyes of ghug. I don’t really care how other people see me. There are already 2 opposing spy teams that may have already figuring out this line of logic and would probably be pretty aggressively trying to root out the ghug-yoyo pair. Unfortunately you’re mistaken, and even if you’re right, I think bozo was on the right track that eliminating a spy this round makes the game very difficult for town later on." I don't know how I did it.

My first post to yoyo on D2 was a bit of a passive-aggressive shaming them for their day and their "recruit me" statements. There is some back and forth between us but more navel-gazing about recruits, methods, etc.

Since I am not a spy, there's obviously no attempt for me to bus them.

Where did I suggest anything of the sort?

[Yoyoyozo]

##votebrain
This is to break the tie because I think brain has better chance at being OG than spirit

So, supposing for a moment you thought day was really ending there. you actually just tried to pick me off lol

Brain has no business being this funny

[Yoyoyozo]

Okay I’m kind of caught up now, and I think that hilarious interaction with brain and Colby is something I think brain might have cooked up, and spirit and ham are both tunneling brain because they tried to recruit him and failed.

Brain-Colby-ghug
Ham-Spirit

That’s my guess so far.

[Yoyoyozo]

Oh wait, it would brain tried to recruit one of them and failed:

Brain-Colby

Ham-spirit-ghug

[bozotheclown]

My great theory of everything at this point:

Don't kill:
bona - He's been annoyingly dumb but I stand by my townread from yesterday so I don't think he's an OG mafia at least.
brain - Good town vibes most of the game. Again plausibly recruited but I see nothing that actually points to that and he'd be a bad target.

Maybe kill:
Col7by - Just ain't much here.
Haze - brain moved me a little bit. My gut still wants to townread and I like the indignation in response to brain, but he's preferable to the top group.
Yoyo - Very meh.

Actively like killing:
bozotheclown - He's been weird. I don't necessarily understand scum motivation for that but it's also not at all like his town game.
Hambone - Inconsistencies he can't explain feel like plausibly a scumtell.
SpiritoftheRadio - The wagon on me smelled really bad yesterday and I have a hard time believing there was actually no opportunistic scum on it. Nothing really to townread in my mind.

Also, a general reminder that hunting isn't a good indicator of towniness in games with two scumteams.

What do you think that I am doing is unusual and "not at all like" I play as town?

You claimed to have a complete solve based on PoE from townreads, when usually you're more inclined to find and tunnel scumreads. You also wouldn't explain your townreads, and have been very end vote happy.

There have been many times where I have tried to identify the mafia by POE when I thought it was easier to identify town than scum, and I think it is particularly useful in this game when 4 out of 8 players besides myself were likely mafia on D2 and there are no connections between the different teams. I also didn't refuse to explain my town reads.

Why do you think I would be more likely to vote END as mafia than town?

Why did you stop scum reading SpiritoftheRadio?

[bozotheclown]

##vote bozo

Is there a reason you are voting for me other than the fact that I think you are mafia?