M 1029: The webMafia Olympics game 1 SPY VS SPY

[brainbomb]

your random decisions at end of days are often to do something weirdly provacative like self voting, or voting no kill, or voting a vanity wagon in a situation where voting wrong could allow mafia to gain a gun. ive seen you make these outlandish plays plenty.

But what I havent seen is you use your vote to keep all wagons viable, especially not in a situation where you supposedly dont want to necessarily see anyone die at all

[Col7by]

"here you scumread him, and professed you were fine with a no kill, and felt no urgency to make the day have a kill; professed not being interested in a ghug kill but drove up his wagon instead. you tried to cajole vanity voters onto ghug, and when they didnt join you chose to just kill someone."

What I bolded is a complete fabrication. You're either misreading me or trying to create a case on me from pure fantasy. You're too good of a player for the former, so...

And what question am I dodging?

I was earnest in my approach to the no-kill. When spirit said to join them to tie the wagons of ghug and dip, I chose to. As soon as bozo stated they didn't prefer a no-kill day, and don't get me started on why I used that as my barometer, I decided to ignore my better rational mind and made the jump.

I have been wondering if the ladder here is true hence why I have been asking for Brains typical gameplay. I would like to say Brain being recruited feels like one of the most obviously plays ever even if they are town. Someone that seems like they may always be on the chopping block (which in theory might lead to being a good bait target to leave as town for a miskill)

[Hamilton Brian]

I am personally good with the tie.

Should it look like no-kill will not win out and we start to coalesce, I'm not inclined to vote ghug, but Dip would be my choice. Or else Bona.

Leaning town: ghug, col7by, bozo, yoyo, brain
Unclear: haze
Lean darkly: bona, dip, spirit

It is just us; I don't want a mad scramble at the end so I will revert back to no-kill if I see it going badly for ghug.

##Vote ghug

You made it 3-3 here, but claimed you would go to no kill if things went bad for ghug. This makes it more likely things will go bad for ghug. and then you would be leaving his wagon to have no part in his actual death if you were sincere in your stated reason

Regarding ghug, I contradicted myself, which I frequently do.

And yeah, if there were more votes that would have piled on ghug, I would have left.

Should I have stayed on ghug until the very end, spared Dip, and registered a no-kill for the day? You bet I should have. I am guilty for that.

You voted Dip with a good chunk of the day (3 hours) to go. Were you hoping they were the kill? Were you preferring a no-kill would win out?

[brainbomb]

I was very excited to see you kill dip. I wanted dip to die, yes.

[brainbomb]

I think you are playing up the guilt of doing it as a performance here as ive already said. Your defense of your actions is to rely on the emotional appeal of making another mistake in the clutch. and doing so in a more overstated way than you do as town

[Hamilton Brian]

I think you are playing up the guilt of doing it as a performance here as ive already said. Your defense of your actions is to rely on the emotional appeal of making another mistake in the clutch. and doing so in a more overstated way than you do as town

Again, I think you're reaching. I think, as mafia, my public proclamations of my guilt and shame would be a lot more muted or subdued.

[Hamilton Brian]

I have to go unclog a drain so I will not be back for a bit.

[Hamilton Brian]

And back...

Before going to the next one.

Did I miss something in the setup? Why is this game so low-key compared to other minis?

I will be interested to read Brain's dives into the other players, notably bozo and bona.

Haze, you've been pretty quiet in relation to Brain's assessment of your presumed alignment. Anything to say in reaction or defence or counter?

[Hamilton Brian]

Heya Sweet! Hanging on every word, yeah?

Reminds me, I should send a note to Darg for the god thread.

[dargorygel]

-=-=-PLEASE HOLD-=-=-
Do not post!
Post No Bills!
This Means You!

[dargorygel]

#GM#
DAY 2

Remember that tale about the Line during WWI in which, one Christmastime, the Germans and the Brits took a break from fighting and celebrated (as much as they could) Christmas Eve? They exchanged snacks, played a little football, and sung Christmasy songs.

That never happened between the Spies of the Cold War during the Olympics. One might expect some Intelligence Agents, who knew each other professionally if not personally, to meet together in a stadium or two and watch some games in Olympian Camaraderie. But this did not, apparently, ever happen.

Hate and Fear were woven pretty deeply.

In fact, on at least two occasions, invitations WERE proffered… but with sneaky traps set up to capture, incriminate, or kill enemy Agents.

The recipients of the invitations were smart enough not to RSVP.

NIGHT HAS ENDED
YOU MAY NOW POST

[Hamilton Brian]

I did NOT receive a recruitment request, nor do I have the capacity to send one.

[SpiritoftheRadio]

I did NOT receive a recruitment request, nor do I have the capacity to send one.

thank you for clarifying, if any newborn mafia wanna out come out and out their father/mother, please do. I'd probably believe anyone except maybe brainbomb

[Hamilton Brian]

I hate the ambiguity of Darg's flavour for this night. Did spies not send out recruit notes or did they?

From the setup: Recruitment: At night, the Mafia Team can choose (by majority) any other player to recruit to their team. Unlike the NK, this action is performed by an assigned Team member, which MUST be the original Spy. This recruiting may NOT be declined by a town player. If a member of the OTHER mafia Spy Team is recruited, the attempt is unsuccessful, and the recruited player learns the identity of the recruiting player.

Did the spies try to recruit one another?

[dargorygel]

There is NO information in the flavor.

[Hamilton Brian]

Thanks, I guess?!?!

Assume 5:2:2

[Hamilton Brian]

I guess now we hunt and hope we get super lucky with our daykills because we still have no info to go on. Someone could make the case that the kill of Dip was mafia motivated which implicates me as the final vote.

My theory is that...well, I kind of have two because that's the duality I have to live with, seeing both sides.

a) mafia spy does NOT recruit a strong player and instead recruits someone able to slip in and out of the game unseen; someone not prone to talking too much.

Why? Longevity. Play the quiet discreet game.

b) mafia recruits the known strong players

Why? Can twist the daily thread, create stories and narratives, can PR hunt well (in this case the other spies).

So which strategy wins that spy team the game? And is that the wrong question? Is the question for us as town more, how do we hunt when we have no info?

[Hamilton Brian]

Alright then, time for the purity test. I don't see why anyone would object to answering this question.

If I were to recruit a player, my top three picks would be:
Add your name and please make the list alphabetical.

Brian: brain, bona, bozo

People watching on the god thread are probably laughing, saying, "Brian, you're going about it all wrong."

I originally had ghug in there, but with them travelling in southeast asia, I think that does present a bit of a detriment to coordinating. That is why I swapped them with bona.

[SpiritoftheRadio]

I guess now we hunt and hope we get super lucky with our daykills because we still have no info to go on. Someone could make the case that the kill of Dip was mafia motivated which implicates me as the final vote.

My theory is that...well, I kind of have two because that's the duality I have to live with, seeing both sides.

a) mafia spy does NOT recruit a strong player and instead recruits someone able to slip in and out of the game unseen; someone not prone to talking too much.

Why? Longevity. Play the quiet discreet game.

b) mafia recruits the known strong players

Why? Can twist the daily thread, create stories and narratives, can PR hunt well (in this case the other spies).

So which strategy wins that spy team the game? And is that the wrong question? Is the question for us as town more, how do we hunt when we have no info?

I was playing with that dichotomy in my head too last night, I do think we want to hunt original spies, but also catching the turncoats is the info I think that will most lead us to the main spy. The no kill convos on day 1 had a lot of relevance to how the spy may play the recruitment game. I feel like the quiet players were the safe play, while the louder ones were the more risky takes because they could be picked by the other spy more likely too. How they played their recruit that will tell us what type of person the spies are.

I have opinions on who I think the likely picks are, but I am gunna let the folks talk first.

[Hamilton Brian]

I think that's a bit of a hedge on your part though Spirit. What's the need to wait. I feel like things are super quiet and will remain so. If this was a recent game we'd be wanting to DK the lurkers and the quiets.