M 1029: The webMafia Olympics game 1 SPY VS SPY

[SpiritoftheRadio]

I’ve only played with brain when they were our beloved GM. What are they normally like during games, similar to this?

I think Brain plays like a chimpanzee when town. Throws a lot of shit all over the place; even picks up other chimp shit not of their doing, and flings that. They like the reaction. Unfortunately, mafia Brain does the same thing.

What a mean-spirited thing to say about someone.

I love brain, and watching him play is one of the reasons I come to this site. HB's read is absolutely on point tho. You can't hate someone when they are that right.

[Hamilton Brian]

If I've offended Brain, I am sorry. I thought it was an apt metaphor for their playing style.

[brainbomb]

The Case vs Hamilton the Brian

Here is Part 1.

I am personally good with the tie.

Should it look like no-kill will not win out and we start to coalesce, I'm not inclined to vote ghug, but Dip would be my choice. Or else Bona.

Leaning town: ghug, col7by, bozo, yoyo, brain
Unclear: haze
Lean darkly: bona, dip, spirit

Hamilton was among the no kill voters and was still in that bucket when he made this list. He had argued here that if no kill failed he would be interested in a bona or a dip kill. The first odd part is, he is scumreading spirit but doesnt list him as someone he would be inclined to vote. So im just gonna ask, how does that distinction happen?

I'll reread that in a moment brain.

We're also going to need the 4 vanity votes to shift one this all picks up steam.

After seeing a case on dip, someone he wants to vote, and thinks is scum; he states that the main goal before reading the case is to convince vanity voters to change their votes. So in a span of 4 minutes, he went from being good with a tie, to wanting to shore up votes. Somehow he implies that he will read my case after putting in some sort of "work" to make that happen.

Is Mafia 1 team motivated to getting Spy 2 leader DK'd?

the specific way this is implied, is that there is no vice versa. Maybe im misreading this but this sounds like he is only asking this question one way. In my mind this is because Hamilton is one of the mafia, and is only really curious about his opponent mafia team.

It is just us; I don't want a mad scramble at the end so I will revert back to no-kill if I see it going badly for ghug.

##Vote ghug

Previously against this option he now joins the wagon on ghug anyway.
He then once again continues to try to fish for free advice on who to recruit.

So I took out the parts of the case that are either poor use of data in your opinion, and your multiple posts about recruiting. This is what remains.

[Hamilton Brian]

Yep, and as I said yesterday...what an imptuous, stupid, play. Compare it with my previous game where I was Desperado. What are the similarities?

[brainbomb]

Yep, and as I said yesterday...what an imptuous, stupid, play. Compare it with my previous game where I was Desperado. What are the similarities?

I think the problem inherent is that you want there to be similarities.

[brainbomb]

I can kind of see what both of you are saying. But I also think both methods you use are a bit flawed and all over the place, but watching you go at it is fun, although I see it more as town v. town.

but we will see in the morning. We will have two new baddies more likely than not and actual connections to make.

We wont have any of that information though. What information are you expecting to come to light in a few hours that you dont already have now?

[Hamilton Brian]

Nope; I disagree. That's not looking for a problem. That's identifying what happened and seeing the pattern there.

I am impetuous. I cannot be trusted to carry out important things. I am cool and calm then all of a sudden my lizard brain limbic system tells my corpus collosum, "Hey, this is a good thing to do." and I do it, and then I get in trouble from the consequences.

Mafia brian is a bit more...cautious?

[SpiritoftheRadio]

I can kind of see what both of you are saying. But I also think both methods you use are a bit flawed and all over the place, but watching you go at it is fun, although I see it more as town v. town.

but we will see in the morning. We will have two new baddies more likely than not and actual connections to make.

We wont have any of that information though. What information are you expecting to come to light in a few hours that you dont already have now?

I think the whole game changes day 2 when the number of scum doubles and there will be more info as a natural result. I get no benefit from telling you what I am thinking now, so I won't <3

[brainbomb]

No Hamilton, you are dodging the question.

the problem is not that you killed dip, the problem is that you need to use your kill of him last game as an excuse for the reaction to doing so.

you are comparing a game where you had a hunch, and secretly input a unannounced suicide bomb kill on him basically when he was a top wagon because you scumread him.

here you scumread him, and professed you were fine with a no kill, and felt no urgency to make the day have a kill; professed not being interested in a ghug kill but drove up his wagon instead. you tried to cajole vanity voters onto ghug, and when they didnt join you chose to just kill someone.

you could have just simply made dip the main wagon any of that final 2 hours, but despite your own statements to the contrary it seems you actually did want to kill ghug but wanted others to do it for you.

[dargorygel]

59 minutes until sunrise.

[brainbomb]

Your town game is quiet, random, and theoretical. you seldom concern yourself with public perception, in fact you are routinely oblivious to it.

id describe what im seeing here as performative, appeal to audience; perhaps vecna-like when he is on his scum high

[Hamilton Brian]

"here you scumread him, and professed you were fine with a no kill, and felt no urgency to make the day have a kill; professed not being interested in a ghug kill but drove up his wagon instead. you tried to cajole vanity voters onto ghug, and when they didnt join you chose to just kill someone."

What I bolded is a complete fabrication. You're either misreading me or trying to create a case on me from pure fantasy. You're too good of a player for the former, so...

And what question am I dodging?

I was earnest in my approach to the no-kill. When spirit said to join them to tie the wagons of ghug and dip, I chose to. As soon as bozo stated they didn't prefer a no-kill day, and don't get me started on why I used that as my barometer, I decided to ignore my better rational mind and made the jump.

[brainbomb]

I appreciate the checks of "this game vs previous games" but with his editorializing, and no one fact checking him, there's no guarantee of honesty there. It's like Jeff Gannon asking "Why are you the greatest president to date" then writing the headline "George W Bush is the greatest president to date."

And now I am realizing that it's just you and I posting. Which makes it look like it's OMGUS between you and I. So far you have shaded one town player, who you wouldn't have known the alignment of with some points of data that I don't think are clearly solid.

You've shaded another one with a set that I am not sure about because I have never played with Haze with a Zed.

And now you've shaded me with your data set, that now I know I can't trust, when I am definitely town.

Brain Brain Brain Brain Brain. Are you one of these spy leaders? Three cases but incorrect on two of them.

I think Brain plays like a chimpanzee when town. Throws a lot of shit all over the place; even picks up other chimp shit not of their doing, and flings that. They like the reaction. Unfortunately, mafia Brain does the same thing.

If I didn't have a fair and impartial GM in Darg, I would say that I am so pro-town, I would say, "Screw your mafia wincon!" and then blab in the thread about who recruited me.

I want town to win this despite the odds, goddamnit!

Who's with me?

Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Who's with me?

I see these posts as performances as opposed to rational dialogue. You want people to have a good laugh, and pat you on the head and think "oh, good ol hamilton. hes a funny chap".

Which is fine. but it isnt your town calling card

[Hamilton Brian]

Here we are and it's me and someone else having a little conversation at nearly the end of the phase.

Anyone else want to chime in, you're welcome to.

[brainbomb]

What I bolded is a complete fabrication. You're either misreading me or trying to create a case on me from pure fantasy. You're too good of a player for the former, so...

The progression of events was as follows
-stating you were fine with a no kill, but would consider a vote on dip, or bona. but not ghug.

-a case was presented in which I laid out the reasons why dip could be scum

-you responded that you wanted to wait to see what vanity voters would do before reading my case at all

-your next move was to vote ghug

-your next move was to ask for who spirit would recruit

-your final move was to kill dip

to me this looks like you wanted ghug to die by way of the vanity voters. and when it didnt happen, instead of opting into your original no kill plan you killed dip.

if not to kill ghug, what did you want the vanity voters to be doing before reading my case?

[Hamilton Brian]

Which is fine. but it isnt your town calling card

Oh, I disagree. To my own personal detriment to surviving this game as town, I'd say it's the way I usually play as either alignment.

Sometimes I think I express myself a bit more earnestly, like in the instances you've quoted.

So who did you decide to recruit?

[Hamilton Brian]

if not to kill ghug, what did you want the vanity voters to be doing before reading my case?

Coalesce onto the top three options...Dip, ghug, no-kill.

[brainbomb]

okay cool now explain the total 180 on ghug

[Hamilton Brian]

okay cool now explain the total 180 on ghug

What do you mean 180?

[brainbomb]

I am personally good with the tie.

Should it look like no-kill will not win out and we start to coalesce, I'm not inclined to vote ghug, but Dip would be my choice. Or else Bona.

Leaning town: ghug, col7by, bozo, yoyo, brain
Unclear: haze
Lean darkly: bona, dip, spirit

It is just us; I don't want a mad scramble at the end so I will revert back to no-kill if I see it going badly for ghug.

##Vote ghug

You made it 3-3 here, but claimed you would go to no kill if things went bad for ghug. This makes it more likely things will go bad for ghug. and then you would be leaving his wagon to have no part in his actual death if you were sincere in your stated reason